# Bakers Dozen **URL:** \ **Category:** Thread Games\ **Created:** [August 4, 2010, 5:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen/549173 "2010-08-04T17:56:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 523
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2012, 4:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen/549173/10442 "2012-04-10T16:56:09Z")
Japanese players in Major League Baseball 1. Kosuke Fukudome 2. Ichiro Suzuki 3. Junichi Tazawa 4. Masanori Murakami The first, in Sept. 1964. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2012, 5:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen/549173/10443 "2012-04-10T17:07:28Z")
Japanese players in Major League Baseball 1. Kosuke Fukudome 2. Ichiro Suzuki 3. Junichi Tazawa 4. Masanori Murakami 5. Hideo Nomo The second, in 1995. ---
**Author:** ![NDP](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ndp/32/55_2.png) [@NDP](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NDP)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2012, 5:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen/549173/10444 "2012-04-10T17:10:29Z")
Japanese players in Major League Baseball 1. Kosuke Fukudome 2. Ichiro Suzuki 3. Junichi Tazawa 4. Masanori Murakami 5. Hideo Nomo 6. Hideki Matsui ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2012, 5:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen/549173/10445 "2012-04-10T17:23:51Z")
Japanese players in Major League Baseball 1. Kosuke Fukudome 2. Ichiro Suzuki 3. Junichi Tazawa 4. Masanori Murakami 5. Hideo Nomo 6. Hideki Matsui 7. Hideki Irabu ---
**Author:** ![Blkshp](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/blkshp/32/7135_2.png) [@Blkshp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Blkshp)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2012, 6:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen/549173/10446 "2012-04-10T18:07:18Z")
Japanese players in Major League Baseball 1. Kosuke Fukudome 2. Ichiro Suzuki 3. Junichi Tazawa 4. Masanori Murakami 5. Hideo Nomo 6. Hideki Matsui 7. Hideki Irabu 8. Daisuke Matsuzaka ---
**Author:** ![Sternvogel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bc79bd/32.png) [@Sternvogel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sternvogel)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2012, 6:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen/549173/10447 "2012-04-10T18:11:12Z")
Japanese players in Major League Baseball 1. Kosuke Fukudome 2. Ichiro Suzuki 3. Junichi Tazawa 4. Masanori Murakami 5. Hideo Nomo 6. Hideki Matsui 7. Hideki Irabu 8. Daisuke Matsuzaka 9. Takashi Saito ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2012, 7:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen/549173/10448 "2012-04-10T19:11:24Z")
Japanese players in Major League Baseball 1. Kosuke Fukudome 2. Ichiro Suzuki 3. Junichi Tazawa 4. Masanori Murakami 5. Hideo Nomo 6. Hideki Matsui 7. Hideki Irabu 8. Daisuke Matsuzaka 9. Takashi Saito 10. Koji Uehara ---
**Author:** ![Sternvogel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bc79bd/32.png) [@Sternvogel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sternvogel)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2012, 8:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen/549173/10449 "2012-04-10T20:58:48Z")
Japanese players in Major League Baseball 1. Kosuke Fukudome 2. Ichiro Suzuki 3. Junichi Tazawa 4. Masanori Murakami 5. Hideo Nomo 6. Hideki Matsui 7. Hideki Irabu 8. Daisuke Matsuzaka 9. Takashi Saito 10. Koji Uehara 11. Tsuyoshi Nishioka ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2012, 12:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen/549173/10450 "2012-04-11T00:22:48Z")
Japanese players in Major League Baseball 1. Kosuke Fukudome 2. Ichiro Suzuki 3. Junichi Tazawa 4. Masanori Murakami 5. Hideo Nomo 6. Hideki Matsui 7. Hideki Irabu 8. Daisuke Matsuzaka 9. Takashi Saito 10. Koji Uehara 11. Tsuyoshi Nishioka 12. Tsuyoshi Shinjo First non-pitcher signed with MLB from Japan ---
**Author:** ![John\_DiFool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_difool/32/19543_2.png) [@John\_DiFool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_DiFool)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2012, 12:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen/549173/10451 "2012-04-11T00:32:16Z")
Japanese players in Major League Baseball 1. Kosuke Fukudome 2. Ichiro Suzuki 3. Junichi Tazawa 4. Masanori Murakami 5. Hideo Nomo 6. Hideki Matsui 7. Hideki Irabu 8. Daisuke Matsuzaka 9. Takashi Saito 10. Koji Uehara 11. Tsuyoshi Nishioka 12. Tsuyoshi Shinjo 13. Akinori Iwamura NHL Stanley Cup Playoffs Time! Players who have won both the regular season MVP award (Hart Memorial Trophy) and postseason MVP (Conn Smythe trophy). I think (hope?) that there are at least 13… 1. Mark Messier ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2012, 12:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen/549173/10452 "2012-04-11T00:38:25Z")
Players who have won both the regular season MVP award (Hart Memorial Trophy) and postseason MVP (Conn Smythe trophy). I think (hope?) that there are at least 13… 1. Mark Messier 2. Wayne Gretzky Of course ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2012, 12:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen/549173/10453 "2012-04-11T00:52:33Z")
Okay, I just checked. There are, in fact, only eight players who have won both awards. \*Jean Beliveau \*Wayne Gretzky \*Guy Lafleur \*Mario Lemieux \*Mark Messier \*Bobby Orr \*Joe Sakic \*Bryan Trottier So, John, looks like you need to pick a different category. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2012, 2:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen/549173/10454 "2012-04-11T02:33:13Z")
Maybe the category could be expanded to include, “and their barbers.” ---
**Author:** ![John\_DiFool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_difool/32/19543_2.png) [@John\_DiFool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_DiFool)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2012, 2:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen/549173/10455 "2012-04-11T14:33:17Z")
Okay: either they have won the Regular season MVP AND the postseason one, or the regular season goalie trophy, and the postseason MVP. That should do the trick I’d think, opening it up to goalies as well. To Wit: NHL players who have won either the regular season (Hart) MVP trophy AND/OR the regular season goalie trophy (Vezina) AND the postseason MVP trophy (Conn Smythe), not necessarily in the same season. 1. Mark Messier 2. Wayne Gretzky ---
**Author:** ![Sparky812](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/eb9ed0/32.png) [@Sparky812](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sparky812)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2012, 3:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen/549173/10456 "2012-04-11T15:01:15Z")
NHL players who have won either the regular season (Hart) MVP trophy AND/OR the regular season goalie trophy (Vezina) AND the postseason MVP trophy (Conn Smythe), not necessarily in the same season. 1. Mark Messier 2. Wayne Gretzky 3. Bobby Orr ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2012, 3:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen/549173/10457 "2012-04-11T15:28:08Z")
NHL players who have won either the regular season (Hart) MVP trophy AND/OR the regular season goalie trophy (Vezina) AND the postseason MVP trophy (Conn Smythe), not necessarily in the same season. 1. Mark Messier 2. Wayne Gretzky 3. Bobby Orr 4. Mario Lemieux ---
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NHL players who have won either the regular season (Hart) MVP trophy AND/OR the regular season goalie trophy (Vezina) AND the postseason MVP trophy (Conn Smythe), not necessarily in the same season. 1. Mark Messier 2. Wayne Gretzky 3. Bobby Orr 4. Mario Lemieux 5. Ken Dryden ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2012, 1:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen/549173/10459 "2012-04-12T01:22:07Z")
NHL players who have won either the regular season (Hart) MVP trophy AND/OR the regular season goalie trophy (Vezina) AND the postseason MVP trophy (Conn Smythe), not necessarily in the same season. 1. Mark Messier 2. Wayne Gretzky 3. Bobby Orr 4. Mario Lemieux 5. Ken Dryden 6. Guy Lafleur ---
**Author:** ![NDP](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ndp/32/55_2.png) [@NDP](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NDP)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2012, 5:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen/549173/10460 "2012-04-12T17:11:53Z")
NHL players who have won either the regular season (Hart) MVP trophy AND/OR the regular season goalie trophy (Vezina) AND the postseason MVP trophy (Conn Smythe), not necessarily in the same season. 1. Mark Messier 2. Wayne Gretzky 3. Bobby Orr 4. Mario Lemieux 5. Ken Dryden 6. Guy Lafleur 7. Patrick Roy ---
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NHL players who have won either the regular season (Hart) MVP trophy AND/OR the regular season goalie trophy (Vezina) AND the postseason MVP trophy (Conn Smythe), not necessarily in the same season. 1. Mark Messier 2. Wayne Gretzky 3. Bobby Orr 4. Mario Lemieux 5. Ken Dryden 6. Guy Lafleur 7. Patrick Roy 8. Joe Sakic [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen/549173.md?page=522) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen/549173.md?page=524)