# Bakers Dozen **URL:** \ **Category:** Thread Games\ **Created:** [August 4, 2010, 5:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen/549173 "2010-08-04T17:56:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 698
**Author:** ![Bullitt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bullitt/32/5725_2.png) [@Bullitt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bullitt)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2013, 6:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen/549173/13942 "2013-01-12T18:32:42Z")
Heisman Trophy Winners Who Were Busts in the NFL 1. Andre Ware (1989 Heisman) 2. Rashaan Salaam (1994) 3. Gino Torretta (1992) ---
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Heisman Trophy Winners Who Were Busts in the NFL 1. Andre Ware (1989 Heisman) 2. Rashaan Salaam (1994) 3. Gino Torretta (1992) 4. Chris Weinke (2000) ---
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Heisman Trophy Winners Who Were Busts in the NFL 1. Andre Ware (1989 Heisman) 2. Rashaan Salaam (1994) 3. Gino Torretta (1992) 4. Chris Weinke (2000) 5. Eric Crouch (2001) ---
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Heisman Trophy Winners Who Were Busts in the NFL 1. Andre Ware (1989 Heisman) 2. Rashaan Salaam (1994) 3. Gino Torretta (1992) 4. Chris Weinke (2000) 5. Eric Crouch (2001) 6. Danny Wuerffel (1996) ---
**Author:** ![Sparky812](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/eb9ed0/32.png) [@Sparky812](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sparky812)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2013, 4:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen/549173/13946 "2013-01-13T04:57:22Z")
Heisman Trophy Winners Who Were Busts in the NFL 1. Andre Ware (1989 Heisman) 2. Rashaan Salaam (1994) 3. Gino Torretta (1992) 4. Chris Weinke (2000) 5. Eric Crouch (2001) 6. Danny Wuerffel (1996) 1. Charles White (1979) ---
**Author:** ![astorian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ad7895/32.png) [@astorian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/astorian)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2013, 5:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen/549173/13947 "2013-01-13T05:07:50Z")
Heisman Trophy Winners Who Were Busts in the NFL 1. Andre Ware (1989 Heisman) 2. Rashaan Salaam (1994) 3. Gino Torretta (1992) 4. Chris Weinke (2000) 5. Eric Crouch (2001) 6. Danny Wuerffel (1996) 1. Charles White (1979) 2. Pat Sullivan (1971) ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2013, 5:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen/549173/13948 "2013-01-13T05:23:04Z")
Heisman Trophy Winners Who Were Busts in the NFL 1. Andre Ware (1989 Heisman) 2. Rashaan Salaam (1994) 3. Gino Torretta (1992) 4. Chris Weinke (2000) 5. Eric Crouch (2001) 6. Danny Wuerffel (1996) 1. Charles White (1979) 2. Pat Sullivan (1971) 3. Johnny Rodgers (1972) Decided to sign with the CFL when he went pro. He played well in the CFL but his later career with the NFL was a bust due to injuries. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2013, 5:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen/549173/13949 "2013-01-13T05:35:44Z")
Heisman Trophy Winners Who Were Busts in the NFL 1. Andre Ware (1989 Heisman) 2. Rashaan Salaam (1994) 3. Gino Torretta (1992) 4. Chris Weinke (2000) 5. Eric Crouch (2001) 6. Danny Wuerffel (1996) 7. Charles White (1979) 8. Pat Sullivan (1971) 9. Johnny Rodgers (1972) 10. Archie Griffin (1974, 1975) ---
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Heisman Trophy Winners Who Were Busts in the NFL 1. Andre Ware (1989 Heisman) 2. Rashaan Salaam (1994) 3. Gino Torretta (1992) 4. Chris Weinke (2000) 5. Eric Crouch (2001) 6. Danny Wuerffel (1996) 7. Charles White (1979) 8. Pat Sullivan (1971) 9. Johnny Rodgers (1972) 10. Archie Griffin (1974, 1975) 11. Jay Berwanger (1935) ---
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I don’t have a name to contribute to this category, but I’d like to add that Charlie Ward, former Heisman Trophy winner, was a relative bust in the NBA. Oh, he wasn’t _terrible,_ but as Jeremy on Sports Night said: “If you put any defensive pressure on him, he’s gonna bend like a cheap card table.” ---
**Author:** ![astorian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ad7895/32.png) [@astorian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/astorian)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2013, 1:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen/549173/13952 "2013-01-13T13:13:58Z")
> [@echo7tango](#): > > Heisman Trophy Winners Who Were Busts in the NFL > > 1. Andre Ware (1989 Heisman) > 2. Rashaan Salaam (1994) > 3. Gino Torretta (1992) > 4. Chris Weinke (2000) > 5. Eric Crouch (2001) > 6. Danny Wuerffel (1996) > 7. Charles White (1979) > 8. Pat Sullivan (1971) > 9. Johnny Rodgers (1972) > 10. Archie Griffin (1974, 1975) > 11. Jay Berwanger (1935) Ummm… I know this is picky, but Jay Berwanger wasn’t a bust as a pro. Rather, the Chicago Bears lowballed him after drafting him. Berwanger had other job offers outside of football that paid better, so he chose not to play pro football at all. We’ll never know if he would have been good. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2013, 6:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen/549173/13953 "2013-01-13T18:17:42Z")
> [@astorian](#): > > Ummm… I know this is picky, but Jay Berwanger wasn’t a bust as a pro. Rather, the Chicago Bears lowballed him after drafting him. Berwanger had other job offers outside of football that paid better, so he chose not to play pro football at all. > > We’ll never know if he would have been good. Yale’s Clint Frank was another Heisman winner (in 1937) who decided not to play professional football. It may surprise modern fans but being a professional football player didn’t use to be all that great a job prospect. It was a middle class career at best and many players worked second jobs to make ends meet. The players didn’t get a guaranteed minimum salary until 1970 - and that minimum was $9000 a year (the equivalent of about $53,000 in current dollars). ---
**Author:** ![kevja](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/aeb1de/32.png) [@kevja](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kevja)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2013, 3:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen/549173/13954 "2013-01-14T03:34:49Z")
Heisman Trophy Winners Who Were Busts in the NFL 1. Andre Ware (1989 Heisman) 2. Rashaan Salaam (1994) 3. Gino Torretta (1992) 4. Chris Weinke (2000) 5. Eric Crouch (2001) 6. Danny Wuerffel (1996) 7. Charles White (1979) 8. Pat Sullivan (1971) 9. Johnny Rodgers (1972) 10. Archie Griffin (1974, 1975) 11. Jay Berwanger (1935) 12. Johnny Bellino (1960) ---
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Heisman Trophy Winners Who Were Busts in the NFL 1. Andre Ware (1989 Heisman) 2. Rashaan Salaam (1994) 3. Gino Torretta (1992) 4. Chris Weinke (2000) 5. Eric Crouch (2001) 6. Danny Wuerffel (1996) 7. Charles White (1979) 8. Pat Sullivan (1971) 9. Johnny Rodgers (1972) 10. Archie Griffin (1974, 1975) 11. Jay Berwanger (1935) 12. Johnny Bellino (1960) 13. Ron Dayne (1999) New Category: Famous Teenybopper Pop Acts 1. Donny Osmond ---
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Famous Teenybopper Pop Acts 1. Donny Osmond 2. Tiffany ---
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Famous Teenybopper Pop Acts 1. Donny Osmond 2. Tiffany 3. Hanson ---
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Famous Teenybopper Pop Acts 1. Donny Osmond 2. Tiffany 3. Hanson 4. David Cassidy ---
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Famous Teenybopper Pop Acts 1. Donny Osmond 2. Tiffany 3. Hanson 4. David Cassidy 5. Leif Garrett ---
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Famous Teenybopper Pop Acts 1. Donny Osmond 2. Tiffany 3. Hanson 4. David Cassidy 5. Leif Garrett 6. Backstreet Boys ---
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