# Ballot stuffing **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 2, 2023, 6:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ballot-stuffing/991017 "2023-10-02T18:00:11Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Son\_of\_a\_Rich](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/son_of_a_rich/32/5439_2.png) [@Son\_of\_a\_Rich](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Son_of_a_Rich)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2023, 6:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ballot-stuffing/991017/1 "2023-10-02T18:00:11Z")
Remember when the 20 Mules guy and Rudy were presenting videos they claimed were evidence of ballot stuffing? Given that trump’s supporters are known for being a bit more fanatical than Joe’s, shouldn’t the question have been asked: how do you know they aren’t votes for trump? Maybe without those votes, he would have lost even worse than he did. ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2023, 6:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ballot-stuffing/991017/2 "2023-10-02T18:50:31Z")
You are asking a (hypothetical) rational question of an irrational actor. The answer would’ve just been gibberish. ---
**Author:** ![DCnDC](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dcndc/32/2842_2.png) [@DCnDC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DCnDC)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2023, 7:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ballot-stuffing/991017/3 "2023-10-02T19:05:43Z")
Because their guy lost. The ONLY possible explanation is that whoever won cheated, therefore _any_ evidence of cheating is obviously evidence against their opponent. It doesn’t hold up to even rudimentary scrutiny of course, but that’s irrelevant. The “logic” is complete, end of story. ---
**Author:** ![RitterSport](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rittersport/32/6326_2.png) [@RitterSport](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RitterSport)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2023, 7:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ballot-stuffing/991017/4 "2023-10-02T19:05:51Z")
“Hello! I know you think that Democrats literally drink the blood of children that they keep locked away in the basement of a pizza place that has no basement. Further, you think think that JFK will come back and endorse Trump. And, you believe that the Democrats brought in millions of illegal voters in order to win the presidency, but lose in the House. And, you think that Trump is being falsely accused, while also believing that Biden is simultaneously a sleepy, senile old man and the master of an international crime syndicate. And, you also believe that the COVID vaccine contains nanobots so that Bill Gates can track you, while holding a phone with GPS in your pocket all the time. Now, with that out of the way, maybe the non-existent ballot boxes that you claimed were used to stuff the ballots were for Trump and not Biden. What are your thoughts on that?” ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2023, 7:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ballot-stuffing/991017/5 "2023-10-02T19:10:57Z")
> [@RitterSport](#): > > What are your thoughts on that?” “Purple Monkey Dishwasher!!!” ---
**Author:** ![garygnu](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/garygnu/32/2924_2.png) [@garygnu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/garygnu)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2023, 7:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ballot-stuffing/991017/6 "2023-10-02T19:42:58Z")
Mackdonna Handheld Shoehorn Butterhorse! ---
**Author:** ![ParallelLines](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/parallellines/32/3575_2.png) [@ParallelLines](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ParallelLines)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2023, 7:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ballot-stuffing/991017/7 "2023-10-02T19:43:41Z")
Seriously (even though I don’t believe that even the OP intends this to be serious), the whole point was just to discredit ANYTHING that wasn’t a win for Trump. Something he was doing back in 2016, much less 2020. Anything that isn’t a win for Trump is because of the rigged system/cheating. So ipso facto, any evidence of cheating could ONLY be against him. 🙄 And as multiple threads have shown, there was a lot more proven (!) efforts by various Trump supporters to cheat in his favor than against him (the numerous “I know how my mom/wife would have wanted to vote so there was nothing wrong with me filling in her ballot!”) but even those were caught. Which in and of itself fuels their (Trump and his supporters) persecution fantasies. ---
**Author:** ![OttoDaFe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ottodafe/32/356_2.png) [@OttoDaFe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OttoDaFe)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2023, 8:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ballot-stuffing/991017/8 "2023-10-02T20:51:15Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > > [@RitterSport](#): > > > > What are your thoughts on that?” > > “Purple Monkey Dishwasher!!!” Argle bargle morble whoosh? ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2023, 12:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ballot-stuffing/991017/9 "2023-10-03T00:27:07Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > > [@RitterSport](#): > > > > What are your thoughts on that?” > > “Purple Monkey Dishwasher!!!” I entered _purple.monkey.dishwasher_ into [What3Words](https://what3words.com/) and that entry turns out to be associated with two locations: one each in La Junta, Colorado and Willow Creek, California. Now I’m ruined for listening to news regarding Tan the Conman’s blatherings. I’m going to be punching in his randomly chosen 3-word strings to see if there’s a place he might be signalling that he’s going to run to, a place without an extradition treaty with the United States. ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2023, 12:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ballot-stuffing/991017/10 "2023-10-03T00:46:15Z")
If you are going purely from the “logic” presented in the Mules video, its that they found X many people who passed by various liberal non-profits and then passed by voter drop boxes. So therefore it must be the case that the ballots were coming from these liberal non-profits. As to the question of whether there were people going by conservative non-profits and then going by ballot boxes multiple times, they don’t say. Nor did they say whether people went by Starbucks and ballot boxes, or Liberal non-profits and gas stations, or actually any form of negative control that would be the first thing that any reasonable investigator would want in order to determine whether their finding was anything beyond random coincidence. But of course that is because reasonable investigation is precisely what they wanted to avoid. ---
**Author:** ![Saint\_Cad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saint_cad/32/18907_2.png) [@Saint\_Cad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saint_Cad)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2023, 2:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ballot-stuffing/991017/11 "2023-10-03T02:40:19Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > I entered _purple.monkey.dishwasher_ into [What3Words](https://what3words.com/) and that entry turns out to be associated with two locations: one each in La Junta, Colorado and Willow Creek, California. The one in Willow Creek uses monkeys plural ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2023, 5:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ballot-stuffing/991017/12 "2023-10-03T05:22:25Z")
Thanks for the correction. As much as I use What3Words, I really should not have made that mistake. ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2023, 8:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ballot-stuffing/991017/13 "2023-10-03T08:27:56Z")
> [@OttoDaFe](#): > > Argle bargle morble whoosh? I understood that reference! ---
**Author:** ![pjd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pjd/32/3009_2.png) [@pjd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pjd)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2023, 12:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ballot-stuffing/991017/14 "2023-10-03T12:09:15Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > I entered _purple.monkey.dishwasher_ into [What3Words](https://what3words.com/) and that entry turns out to be associated with two locations: one each in La Junta, Colorado and Willow Creek, California. I checked that - it seemed to be a major flaw with what3words to allow multiple places for particular word combinations - I got 3 suggestions. As Saint\_Cad said, one uses monkeys plural, and another in Abu Dhabi uses purples plural. Still - seems to be a bit of potential for confusion there . ---
**Author:** ![Saint\_Cad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saint_cad/32/18907_2.png) [@Saint\_Cad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saint_Cad)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2023, 3:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ballot-stuffing/991017/15 "2023-10-03T15:51:27Z")
Tom Scott did a video on the issues with what3words ---
**Author:** ![pjd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pjd/32/3009_2.png) [@pjd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pjd)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2023, 5:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ballot-stuffing/991017/16 "2023-10-03T17:12:24Z")
Could you post a link of that … i’ve just scrolled through his videos all the way back to 2013 when w3w was released and can’t see anything that looks likely. (But that’s my next weeks viewing sorted !) Cheers. ---
**Author:** ![Saint\_Cad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saint_cad/32/18907_2.png) [@Saint\_Cad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saint_Cad)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2023, 5:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ballot-stuffing/991017/17 "2023-10-03T17:16:10Z")
My mistake. It was [Andrew Steele](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SqK0ciE0rto). ---
**Author:** ![Bill\_Door](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/50afbb/32.png) [@Bill\_Door](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bill_Door)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2023, 9:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ballot-stuffing/991017/18 "2023-10-03T21:19:21Z")
Given that my circle of people i interact with doesn’t include a lot of these people I don’t get to ask this much, but my response is usually “If Trump, as President of the United States was unable to keep Joe Biden from stealing the election, how do you expect private citizen Trump to stop President Biden doing it again?” So far, no coherent responses. ---
**Author:** ![ParallelLines](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/parallellines/32/3575_2.png) [@ParallelLines](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ParallelLines)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2023, 9:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ballot-stuffing/991017/19 "2023-10-03T21:24:41Z")
Sadly, the answer is normally “be a patriot”. IE refuse to recognize the powers of the current government, pay it taxes, attempt armed insurrection, threaten more violence to the people overseeing things if it doesn’t go the way they want. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2023, 4:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ballot-stuffing/991017/20 "2023-10-04T04:16:16Z")
> [@Saint\_Cad](#): > > My mistake. It was [Andrew Steele](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SqK0ciE0rto) That is some great information. The thing that gets me, though, is he really has no idea what to do with his hands while he’s talking. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ballot-stuffing/991017.md?page=2)