# Ban abortions? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [March 30, 2003, 2:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ban-abortions/165145 "2003-03-30T02:49:09Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 12\ **Page:** 27
**Author:** ![candida](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f14d63/32.png) [@candida](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/candida)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2003, 6:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ban-abortions/165145/521 "2003-04-16T06:38:20Z")
Yeticus Rex Was there a point in your last post headed ‘Candida’? ---
**Author:** ![Blalron](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/35a633/32.png) [@Blalron](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Blalron)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2003, 7:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ban-abortions/165145/522 "2003-04-16T07:22:11Z")
I was also apalled by the link that purported to connect abortion clinics with child predators. Their reasoning something like this (paraphrasing, of course) (1) Minors can get abortions (2) A sizable number of minors who are pregnant had sex with men who are adults (at least 18) (3) Abortion clinics don’t report every minor coming into the clinic to police for suspecting that they were molested, see number 2. (4) Therefore, abortion clinics support Pedophiles. ---
**Author:** ![IEatFood](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/c5a1d2/32.png) [@IEatFood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/IEatFood)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2003, 8:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ban-abortions/165145/523 "2003-04-16T08:03:38Z")
I don’t see how my career in Vice/SC is any more irelevant than yours (are you sure it’s not _nothing_, because, I haven’t seen you mention anything there?..) As far as the Philo stuff goes, if you didn’t get it in my last post, no reason to try to explain it to you yet again… (Refers Candame to the case of The Dragged Horse vs Water… 😉 ) As far as getting over myself, I’ll take it under advisement. I should tell you that I am pretty damned hard to get over, as would you be if you were me. In the mean time, I’ll just thank God I don’t have to deal with being wrong as often as, erm, some of us here, do. And while I am continuing to be better, I should tell you that I am not an “intellectual.” Those are mainly idiots without real jobs. I am more of a street-smart type. I don’t know if you can understand that but it makes me pretty damned nifty. G’nite there ---
**Author:** ![Ms2001](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ms2001/32/18463_2.png) [@Ms2001](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ms2001)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2003, 9:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ban-abortions/165145/524 "2003-04-16T09:37:33Z")
Street smart, as in you know which side of the street you live on? ---
**Author:** ![candida](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f14d63/32.png) [@candida](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/candida)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2003, 2:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ban-abortions/165145/525 "2003-04-16T14:02:45Z")
Foodeater Hey, you’re doing a brilliant job of impressing yourself, that’s all you need, isn’t it? Meanwhile, go try frightening some pigeons, 'cept they tend to be really street-smart, I guess. ---
**Author:** ![IEatFood](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/c5a1d2/32.png) [@IEatFood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/IEatFood)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2003, 6:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ban-abortions/165145/526 "2003-04-16T18:38:43Z")
> [@](#): > > Street smart, as in you know which side of the street you live on? And my address and zip code as well, I’ll have you know! What was the consensus about the whole sex with mionrs thing anyway? Can’t find that thread for some reason. CandiedYam, No. All I need is love. I know this because I heard it in a Beatles song once. Why do you keep responding to me? Isn’t there a fight in a nother thread you should be starting by now? We’re obviously way off the OP here. G’day Poindexter… ---
**Author:** ![Yeticus\_Rex](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/a698b9/32.png) [@Yeticus\_Rex](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yeticus_Rex)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2003, 9:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ban-abortions/165145/527 "2003-04-16T21:09:50Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by catsix \* > \*\*Telling a kid that an ectopic embryo is a ‘baby’ and then saying that ‘baby’ has to die or his mother will is not ‘totally honest’. \*\* You missed the fact that we told our son that mom was pregnant **BEFORE** we found out that it was ectopic. My son already knew (through aunts having their babies and that they were also pregnant before giving birth to his cousins) what “pregnant” meant, so I don’t know what you are talking about when you stated that I lied. Remember, this is a four year old; “ectopic” is not in his vocabulary, but “pregnant” and “baby” was in his vocabulary. Like I said earlier, an innocent child knows what life is, and his mind has not been indoctrinated to either side of the abortion issue at this time. Now at 15, he knows what abortion is and has rough knowledge of the division that this country is in over it. I have not asked his opinion on the matter as of this time, but I think through attending church and confirmation classes, I believe he’ll do the right thing. I never said that ‘baby’ has to die, my son said that he didn’t want the baby to die. Don’t skim through my posts and draw rash assumptions! Kids view the world totally different than we as adults do, sometimes out of wonderment (pregnancy falls into this category), sometimes out of fear (abortion falls into this category), but you virtually always get an honest answer from them. To tell my son that there was not a baby in mom’s womb and just tell him that there’s a lump of cells and that it’s no big deal if we just cut out the cells and dispose of it, would be the **BIGGEST HYPOCRITICAL LIE** I could ever tell him. I did say that mom and baby would not live if we let the baby continue to grow in the wrong place, but mom would live if the baby was removed from mom, but in either case the baby will be unable to survive and we prayed for the sake of mom and the baby. Catsix, if my wife had a tumor in her fallopian tubes and it had to be removed to save her life; then great - get that lump of cells outta there. But for some reason, you feel I should tell my son “the (your) truth”, and then tell him that the baby is “just a lump of cells” in mom and that it has to be removed and to pretend it was not a baby, but tumorous in nature; then I would be advocating the idea that life has little or no value. To teach that idea to a four year old is repulsive because it teaches him that life in general has little or no value, or more like a privilege, not a right. I don’t want my son to have that set of values in life, because it shows no respect for life in general, including life in the womb. That tubal pregnancy resulted in a devastating loss for all three of us, not just a “tumor” being excised. Had those “lump of cells” attached a few inches down the line, I would probably have a fourth son or maybe our first daughter (who would be 10 right now), but if a tumor was growing a few inches down the line, my wife would still have surgery to remove it. Therefore, both “lump of cells” have different values, even when they are “lumps of cells” early on. Anybody that fools themselves or others to think that it’s just a “lump of cells” in order to dehumanize it to make abortion more acceptable or less brutal, are the ones who are living a lie. ---
**Author:** ![Yeticus\_Rex](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/a698b9/32.png) [@Yeticus\_Rex](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yeticus_Rex)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2003, 9:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ban-abortions/165145/528 "2003-04-16T21:13:39Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by candida \* > \*\*Yeticus Rex > > Was there a point in your last post headed ‘Candida’? \*\* My reponse to your post was “Hence, the circular reference…” For you, I should have said, “Hence, the pot calling the kettle black.” ---
**Author:** ![Yeticus\_Rex](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/a698b9/32.png) [@Yeticus\_Rex](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yeticus_Rex)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2003, 9:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ban-abortions/165145/529 "2003-04-16T21:30:49Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Blalron \* > \*\*I was also apalled by the link that purported to connect abortion clinics with child predators. Their reasoning something like this (paraphrasing, of course) > > (1) Minors can get abortions > > (2) A sizable number of minors who are pregnant had sex with men who are adults (at least 18) > > (3) Abortion clinics don’t report every minor coming into the clinic to police for suspecting that they were molested, see number 2. > > (4) Therefore, abortion clinics support Pedophiles. \*\* Appalled…ditto, but for different reasons. To think that there is no abuse by Planned Parenthood is appalling at best. And as a taxpayer supporting PP, I have a right to know what those abuses are. If anyone knows of a cite that contains any clean audits for PP, please provide the link, so I too can blindly believe that PP is not doing this atrocity. I’ve been providing links, and a couple of you dismiss it as kitty-head-biting sites, without addressing the issue. Maybe **IEatFood!** has some insight on this. ---
**Author:** ![Blalron](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/35a633/32.png) [@Blalron](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Blalron)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2003, 10:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ban-abortions/165145/530 "2003-04-16T22:46:14Z")
Requiring notification to the police puts a chilling effect on the minors right to an abortion, and even if a significant number of pregnant minors were impregnated by an adult, that should not be taken as evidence _just by itself_ that she was molested. Scenerio: 16 year old girl has sex with 16 year old boy. Her parents are fundamentalist anti-abortion zealots and would completely freak out if they found out she was getting an abortion. Requiring PP to report this girl to the police or parents would simply an already troubled girl into an even more inescapable corner. ---
**Author:** ![Ms2001](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ms2001/32/18463_2.png) [@Ms2001](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ms2001)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2003, 12:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ban-abortions/165145/531 "2003-04-17T00:33:33Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by IEatFood! \* > **And my address and zip code as well, I’ll have you know! What was the consensus about the whole sex with mionrs thing anyway? Can’t find that thread for some reason.** Consensus? Have you forgotten which forum this is? 😉 The thread is [here](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=174399). ---
**Author:** ![IEatFood](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/c5a1d2/32.png) [@IEatFood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/IEatFood)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2003, 12:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ban-abortions/165145/532 "2003-04-17T00:41:15Z")
No, I suppose I should have worded that better, Mr.2001 Thanks… [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ban-abortions/165145.md?page=26)