What are you talking about?
OK, Oblong and SMUsax, here’s a better analogy:
Someone smacks a person on the head with a baseball bat, which directly causes a small skull fracture and bruising of the brain (which do not cause death before something else does), but also imparts momentum to the head, causing it to snap back and injure an artery (which does cause death before the bruised brain has a chance).
What the quote:
leaves out, but seems SO VERY F$&^&ING obvious (at least to me), is that the snapping back of the head (and subsequent fatal damage to the artery) were a direct result of the blow to the head by the puck. No puck to the head== no fatal head injury. That a damaged artery was the direct mechanism causing death is IMMATERIAL.
If you cannot grasp this, please start a pit thread. I’ll be waiting.
I think you should grow up and recognize that this isn’t the Pit.
I was just pointing out what some people who deal with death on a daily basis and who’s job it is to determine this type of thing had said about the cause of her death.
I’ll leave it to the experts when they say “that wasn’t what caused her death” when referring to the hockey puck hitting her in the head.
Ok, try grasping this… If she didn’t go to the hockey game she wouldn’t have gotten hit in the head, her head wouldn’t have snapped back, her artery wouldn’t have gotten pinched, and her blood wouldn’t have clotted, so does that mean that the hockey game caused her death?
Better yet, maybe she shouldn’t have lived in Ohio. If she didn’t live in Ohio, she wouldn’t have went to the Columbus Blue Jackets Game… should we ban Ohio?
Excuse me? Deleranko’s comment, as well as the various statements by the teams and the NHL, seem to be sincere expressions of grief and sympathy. If the statement you quoted is insensitive, I don’t see it. Even if it is, it is incredibly difficult to say anything meaningful after a tragedy like this. It is your statement, UncleBeer, that is insensitive and inappropriate.
I definitely recognize this isn’t the pit- that’s why I haven’t said anything about… oh, never mind, it’s not the pit.
Or, what one poorly constructed sentence uttered by said expert is quoted by a sports reporter.
I’m pretty sure “the hockey puck” isn’t the antecedant of “that” in the quote. I am sure “that” in “that wasn’t what caused her death” refers to the skull fracture & brain bruising, not the blow to the head. The hockey puck striking her head just right is the event that caused the fatal injury.
I’ll grant that if the girl had never been conceived, she would not have died by being struck by a hockey puck. I think banning a couple of specific conceptions was called for, but it’s too late.
This is the main statement that I have a problem with. It is NOT the “doctor’s fault” and it isn’t the “hockey player’s.” It doesn’t call for “banning” anything, except blame-slinging after freak accidents.
I don’t get what the whole hijack about whether or not the artery was what killed her or not is. Sure the artery severing and spilling out into her skull IS what killed her, if the coroner says so, I believe him. However, that doesn’t make it the Doctor’s fault, why does someone have to be blamed? I mean, it was a damn freak accident, that’s it. For some reason Americans have this idea that everything could have been prevented. I’m a computer tech support person, and I can’t fix EVERY problem, and there are many problems that I CAN fix but I couldn’t do it in a small amount of time, like the time it takes a little girl to die, especially if I don’t catch it. This does not make me bad at my job, just as it does not make the Doctor bad at HIS job. It’s bad enough that Doctors have to watch patients die, but they also have to be afraid that they are going to be sued and lose their life’s work if it happens.
Sometimes there is no one to blame, live with it and move on.
Erek
God’s crying? He’s upset over this? The guy, that according to all Christian religious dogma, is the sole entity capable of preventing just such tragedies? You don’t see the insensitvity of the coach’s remark?
The way I read it is, “God has sympathy for you in your loss, just not enough to actually have doen anything to prevent it. It’s just a show.”
Finally, who is this coach that he thinks he speaks for God? Maybe calling him an insensitive asshole is too much, he most certainly could have chosen better words to express his sympathy and grief.
What I was actually pointing out was that it was a freak accident. It is absurd to place blame anywhere in this situation. The hockey league is not at fault, neither is the player or the doctor.
Well, thank you for clarifying that. I didn’t realize that anyone who invoked the name of God in an attempt to help heal pain was being insensitive. How silly of me.
By the way, who says that Deleranko was referring to the Christian god, or that god is a guy?
Wouldn’t the Pit that have been more appropriate for your “observation?”
“I figure that God’s crying along with us.”
How is this a petition to God to attempt help heal emotional pain?
Figure of speech. Don’t be so literal.
Perhaps. My apologies to anyone I’ve offended. Christian, or otherwise.
In pretty much the same way that “It was God’s will,” and “God has a plan,” are. I don’t see much difference between that and what the fellow said.
It’s a problematic statement, to be sure–there’s this Problem of Suffering that theology will be wrestling with…forever, pretty much.
A great many people find that it soothes emotional pain to consider that a personal God is syjmpathetic to that pain. That that’s logically problematic doesn’t make those who hold or espouse that view insensitive assholes by any stretch.
The theory that it does doesn’t necessarily belong in the Pit.
How it was expressed, did.
I suppose Christians believe that this was part of God’s larger plan, and that this served some larger good.
He said “I figure”, not “I know”.
2 things. First of all, I’ve been to a few college hockey games where there was netting behind the goals. Whenever the puck was deflected into the netting, play was whistled dead. It didn’t seem to affect the flow of the game any.
Second, I thought the coaches comments were made in the context of a rainy day. So, IMO, it wouldn’t be out of line to suggest that god was crying with them. Also, I believe that was the girls’ soccer coach, not the Blue Jackets coach.
Well, speaking as an Ohio resident, I think I’d cheerfully support that measure. Ban Ohio!
I for one was not offended. Being offended would have been the easy way out. I am distressed that organized religion has left us so spiritually adrift that a statement as simple as “God is crying” could elicit a response as cynical and angry as yours. With sexually abusive priests and the Islamic Jihad in the news, I wonder if spirituality has anything positive left to offer humanity.
Hijack: hockey should not be banned. Wait, that was the OP!