# Ban on combat lifted = women registering for Selective Service? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [September 2, 2015, 5:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ban-on-combat-lifted-women-registering-for-selective-service/729721 "2015-09-02T17:34:53Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 13\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2015, 10:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ban-on-combat-lifted-women-registering-for-selective-service/729721/61 "2015-12-10T10:29:03Z")
> [@UltraVires](#): > > If you are a man who lives with a woman, and someone’s life is on the line, as a man, you put yours up first. That is basic in our society. Do you dispute that? Yes. “Basic in our society” isn’t exactly an explanation. And what difference does it make if the “man” lives with a woman or not? ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2015, 11:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ban-on-combat-lifted-women-registering-for-selective-service/729721/62 "2015-12-10T11:45:12Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > No, we do not all understand that. Some of us, such as us veterans, are aware that draftees have been assigned to just about every MOS/AFSC/Rating in the military during wars/armed conflicts. > [@UltraVires](#): > > Every single one? Generals and such? No, just the lesser ones. Your silly attempt at evasion does not change the fact that your assertion needed a closed-casket funeral after its ugly collision with reality. ---
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2015, 12:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ban-on-combat-lifted-women-registering-for-selective-service/729721/63 "2015-12-10T12:41:05Z")
> [@UltraVires](#): > > I said absolutely no such fucking thing. If you are a man who lives with a woman, and someone’s life is on the line, as a man, you put yours up first. That is basic in our society. Do you dispute that? If I am a \*\*soldier \*\*who fights alongside **another soldier** , and someone’s life is on the line, as a \*\*soldier \*\*I put mine up first (though only if we’re unable to take _the enemy’s_ life before it comes down to that). There is nothing holy or sacred about a female when it comes to killing and dying, and as the female Dopers in the thread have pointed out “bringing forth the next generation” (a) requires someone \*begetting \*the next generation (unless you want the next generation to be all children of 4F’s raised by single moms) and (b) is not their destined or annointed obligation, duty or purpose: This. Is. NOT. Sparta. ---
**Author:** ![Telemark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/telemark/32/372_2.png) [@Telemark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telemark)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2015, 1:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ban-on-combat-lifted-women-registering-for-selective-service/729721/64 "2015-12-10T13:03:40Z")
> [@UltraVires](#): > > If you are a man who lives with a woman, and someone’s life is on the line, as a man, you put yours up first. That is basic in our society. Do you dispute that? Sure, I dispute that as well. It’s something a lot of people believe, but it’s not universal nor should it be. ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2015, 2:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ban-on-combat-lifted-women-registering-for-selective-service/729721/65 "2015-12-10T14:46:21Z")
> [@even\_sven](#): > > All I know is that I haven’t once produced a future generation without a man around. It seems they play a role in the process. Slacker! This just goes to show that you’re too busy painting your nails to do what needs doing. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2015, 3:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ban-on-combat-lifted-women-registering-for-selective-service/729721/66 "2015-12-10T15:26:06Z")
> [@JRDelirious](#): > > If I am a \*\*soldier \*\*who fights alongside **another soldier** , and someone’s life is on the line, as a \*\*soldier \*\*I put mine up first (though only if we’re unable to take _the enemy’s_ life before it comes down to that). > > There is nothing holy or sacred about a female when it comes to killing and dying, and as the female Dopers in the thread have pointed out “bringing forth the next generation” (a) requires someone \*begetting \*the next generation (unless you want the next generation to be all children of 4F’s raised by single moms) and (b) is not their destined or annointed obligation, duty or purpose: This. Is. NOT. Sparta. Incidentally, you know who _does_ conscript young women right along with young men? Israel. Because, well, there’s a war on. ---
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2016, 4:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ban-on-combat-lifted-women-registering-for-selective-service/729721/67 "2016-06-15T04:11:20Z")
The Senate just passed a $602 billion defense spending bill. Among other things, it requires women to register for Selective Service. And since it passed 85-13, it’ll probably be able to override an Obama veto, too. ---
**Author:** ![Nava](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/da6949/32.png) [@Nava](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nava)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2016, 8:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ban-on-combat-lifted-women-registering-for-selective-service/729721/68 "2016-06-15T08:29:32Z")
> [@UltraVires](#): > > Just because women have been approved for combat service only means that those women who are rather abnormally strong or otherwise fit will be suited for it. Tankers are in combat positions and I understand that the smaller average size of women would be considered advantageous; those tin cans aren’t exactly spacious. ---
**Author:** ![spamforbrains](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e274bd/32.png) [@spamforbrains](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/spamforbrains)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2016, 3:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ban-on-combat-lifted-women-registering-for-selective-service/729721/69 "2016-06-16T03:37:12Z")
> [@](#): > > As long as only women can produce the next generation, what does that have to do with being forced to go out and die for some old man’s political dispute with another old man in a different country? You can be sure I’m not volunteering to fight for these old men’s ideologies nor am I volunteering to produce the next generation, and I’m willing to fight for my right to not be forced to do either thing. They should get rid of the draft. For everyone. If an actual threat to the country occurred, most people men and women will step up and help, which has occurred repeatedly throughout history. And the women didn’t do so by sitting around on their butts “producing the next generation.” Men should be quite outraged that they are considered cannon fodder for silly political disputes. Why aren’t they? I’ll stand up with you and protest being forced to register for the draft. ---
**Author:** ![spamforbrains](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e274bd/32.png) [@spamforbrains](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/spamforbrains)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2016, 3:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ban-on-combat-lifted-women-registering-for-selective-service/729721/70 "2016-06-16T03:42:09Z")
Which brings up a related and quite on topic concept: We have feminism to describe women who demand to be treated like people instead of walking wombs. Why isn’t there any related movement to describe men who demand to be treated like people instead of like testosterone-poisoned knuckle-draggers? I know a lot of men who object to the standard “male” stereotype but they don’t try to do anything about it. ---
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2016, 4:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ban-on-combat-lifted-women-registering-for-selective-service/729721/71 "2016-06-16T04:08:31Z")
> [@spamforbrains](#): > > We have feminism to describe women who demand to be treated like people instead of walking wombs. Why isn’t there any related movement to describe men who demand to be treated like people instead of like testosterone-poisoned knuckle-draggers? I know a lot of men who object to the standard “male” stereotype but they don’t try to do anything about it. There are the [men’s rights’ activists (MRAs.)](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Men%27s_rights_movement) ---
**Author:** ![Sampsiceramos](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Sampsiceramos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampsiceramos)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2016, 4:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ban-on-combat-lifted-women-registering-for-selective-service/729721/72 "2016-06-16T04:21:50Z")
> [@spamforbrains](#): > > Which brings up a related and quite on topic concept: We have feminism to describe women who demand to be treated like people instead of walking wombs. Why isn’t there any related movement to describe men who demand to be treated like people instead of like testosterone-poisoned knuckle-draggers? I know a lot of men who object to the standard “male” stereotype but they don’t try to do anything about it. Feminism as a movement (at least _reputable_ feminism, anyway, and not the outright misandry which is often misnomered as feminism) very much deals with the discriminatory effects of traditional gender roles and societal structure on men - a concept usually referred to as “toxic masculinity”. An unfortunate amount of MRAs, albeit not all, fall into the category of reactionary anti-feminist movements as opposed to organizations genuinely concerned with gender equality. ---
**Author:** ![Ruken](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/f475e1/32.png) [@Ruken](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ruken)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2016, 10:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ban-on-combat-lifted-women-registering-for-selective-service/729721/73 "2016-06-16T10:51:14Z")
> [@Velocity](#): > > The Senate just passed a $602 billion defense spending bill. Among other things, it requires women to register for Selective Service. And since it passed 85-13, it’ll probably be able to override an Obama veto, too. The House bill doesn’t include it, so they’ll have to hash it out before it goes to the president. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ban-on-combat-lifted-women-registering-for-selective-service/729721.md?page=3)