# Ban on pit bulls **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 1, 2004, 3:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ban-on-pit-bulls/266988 "2004-10-01T03:46:59Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2004, 4:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ban-on-pit-bulls/266988/21 "2004-10-01T16:52:19Z")
> [@Kythereia](#): > > Good point šŸ™‚ > > But in this case the natural psychotic tendencies of pit bulls had been amplified by their breeding. I have to wonder if theyā€™d behave that way if theyā€™d never been in contact with that breeder. You mean if that breeder hadnā€™t bred them for psychosis? I agree, definitely: this scumbag had bred his dogs for ā€œgame,ā€ like many other scumbags out there. Dogs that arenā€™t intensively inbred donā€™t have these problems nearly so bad. Daniel ---
**Author:** ![Kythereia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/e8c25b/32.png) [@Kythereia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kythereia)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2004, 4:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ban-on-pit-bulls/266988/22 "2004-10-01T16:58:44Z")
> [@badmana](#): > > I have to agree with **TVeblen**. The recent spat of reports is only because of the hysterics caused by the news reports themselves. Lots of reports Iā€™ve read donā€™t tell enough of the tale to get an accurate depiction of events leading up to the attack. Most people suck at handling dogs. Iā€™ve seen plenty of stupid kids (with stupid ass parents) approach strange dogs in the worse possible ways (including scaring the dogs with lots of motion and sound). Reminds me: I was four or five, and playing in a park near my house, and a big Golden Retriever came bounding up to me. Being a rather mindless kid, I yelled and screamed and waved my arms at the poor thing, running straight at it. The dog backed away and barked, snapping its jaws at me. Did I sue for almost getting bitten? Did I advocate a ban? Nope. I realized that day that it was probably Not The Best Idea to act that way around dogs. šŸ˜‰ ---
**Author:** ![Kythereia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/e8c25b/32.png) [@Kythereia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kythereia)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2004, 5:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ban-on-pit-bulls/266988/23 "2004-10-01T17:00:09Z")
> [@Left Hand of Dorkness](#): > > Dogs that arenā€™t intensively inbred donā€™t have these problems nearly so bad. > Daniel Right on. šŸ™‚ Why were pit bulls inbred so much so early on? Did earlier breeders know that inbreeding brought out psychotic tendencies? (Line-breeding for appearance, I can understandā€¦) ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2004, 5:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ban-on-pit-bulls/266988/24 "2004-10-01T17:05:45Z")
> [@Kythereia](#): > > Right on. šŸ™‚ > > Why were pit bulls inbred so much so early on? Did earlier breeders know that inbreeding brought out psychotic tendencies? (Line-breeding for appearance, I can understandā€¦) Iā€™m not sure if they knew that, though they may have. What they DID know was that if you bred a mean-ass dog with another mean-ass dog, the pups would often be mean-ass pups. Just like if you bred a chasing-sheep dog with another chasing-sheep dog, youā€™d get sheepchaser pups. Thing is, when you get the pups, you can take the meanest boy and the meanest girl from the litter and breed them and get even meaner pups from that. Repeat the process over and over, and you get dogs with ā€œgameā€: that is, dogs that have the desire to kill other dogs as their overriding motive in life, dogs that donā€™t shy away from pain, dogs that are willing to fight to the death for no reason other than a bred-in bloodlust, compounded by vicious training. In other ares, people tend to be careful about outbreeding: too much inbreeding leads to diseases and behavioral quirks that you donā€™t want. But with dogfighters, these arenā€™t quite as much of an issue, since your dogs arenā€™t expected to live all that long, anyway. This is an oversimplification, mind. Dogfighters DO put dogs out to stud, and there IS outbreeding; indeed, thereā€™s a whole underground industry, with magazines and messageboards and equipment manufacturers and drug sellers and whatnot, devoted to it. But dogfighters definitely do go for the inbreeding-for-psychosis trick. Daniel ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2004, 5:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ban-on-pit-bulls/266988/25 "2004-10-01T17:08:21Z")
> [@mks57](#): > > Ban them. How? Are you suggesting that all ā€œpit bullsā€ be put down? And note, as per my post above, that the term ā€œpit bullā€ does not define a specific breed of dog. ---
**Author:** ![Kythereia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/e8c25b/32.png) [@Kythereia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kythereia)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2004, 5:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ban-on-pit-bulls/266988/26 "2004-10-01T17:15:43Z")
> [@Left Hand of Dorkness](#): > > Iā€™m not sure if they knew that, though they may have. > > What they DID know was that if you bred a mean-ass dog with another mean-ass dog, the pups would often be mean-ass pups. Just like if you bred a chasing-sheep dog with another chasing-sheep dog, youā€™d get sheepchaser pups. > > Thing is, when you get the pups, you can take the meanest boy and the meanest girl from the litter and breed them and get even meaner pups from that. Repeat the process over and over, and you get dogs with ā€œgameā€: that is, dogs that have the desire to kill other dogs as their overriding motive in life, dogs that donā€™t shy away from pain, dogs that are willing to fight to the death for no reason other than a bred-in bloodlust, compounded by vicious training. > > In other ares, people tend to be careful about outbreeding: too much inbreeding leads to diseases and behavioral quirks that you donā€™t want. But with dogfighters, these arenā€™t quite as much of an issue, since your dogs arenā€™t expected to live all that long, anyway. > > This is an oversimplification, mind. Dogfighters DO put dogs out to stud, and there IS outbreeding; indeed, thereā€™s a whole underground industry, with magazines and messageboards and equipment manufacturers and drug sellers and whatnot, devoted to it. But dogfighters definitely do go for the inbreeding-for-psychosis trick. > > Daniel Sicko dogfighters, stupid stinking pieces ofā€¦ :mad: ā˜¹ ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2004, 5:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ban-on-pit-bulls/266988/27 "2004-10-01T17:22:07Z")
> [@Kythereia](#): > > Sicko dogfighters, stupid stinking pieces ofā€¦ :mad: ā˜¹ Yep. One of my first jobs here was labelling some medical evidence photos for that court case. Horrifying stuff. Good news is, the guy got a 120-day jail sentence, the highest at that point for animal cruelty in North Carolinaā€™s history. Better yet, fighting dogs was a violation of his parole for a drug offense. Bye bye, mister dogfighter. Daniel ---
**Author:** ![Bad\_News\_Baboon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/5fc32e/32.png) [@Bad\_News\_Baboon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bad_News_Baboon)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2004, 5:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ban-on-pit-bulls/266988/28 "2004-10-01T17:24:03Z")
> [@John Mace](#): > > How? Are you suggesting that all ā€œpit bullsā€ be put down? And note, as per my post above, that the term ā€œpit bullā€ does not define a specific breed of dog. I was going to post that there really is no ā€˜pit bullā€™ breed, but you beat me to it. [http://www.pitbullsontheweb.com/petbull/findpit.html](http://www.pitbullsontheweb.com/petbull/findpit.html) I guess we should ban all of these dogs, too? ---
**Author:** ![Kythereia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/e8c25b/32.png) [@Kythereia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kythereia)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2004, 5:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ban-on-pit-bulls/266988/29 "2004-10-01T17:36:31Z")
> [@Left Hand of Dorkness](#): > > Yep. One of my first jobs here was labelling some medical evidence photos for that court case. Horrifying stuff. > > Good news is, the guy got a 120-day jail sentence, the highest at that point for animal cruelty in North Carolinaā€™s history. Better yet, fighting dogs was a violation of his parole for a drug offense. Bye bye, mister dogfighter. > > Daniel _cheers_ Excellent! ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2004, 6:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ban-on-pit-bulls/266988/30 "2004-10-01T18:01:07Z")
Itā€™s silly to ban a breed of dog. Thereā€™s nothing one breed can do that canā€™t be duplicated with another breed, and itā€™s guaranteed that the features of pit bulls that make them attractive to idiots will simply be bred into Rotties or Dobermans or, I shudder to think, Saint Bernards. ---
**Author:** ![pool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pool/32/4152_2.png) [@pool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pool)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2004, 3:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ban-on-pit-bulls/266988/31 "2004-10-02T03:35:29Z")
> [@](#): > > \*which perhaps is the real reason so many communities want to ban them. There are many other breeds of dog that are perfectly capable of chewing a person to shreds, **but since they are favored by white folk, they are given a pass**. You are dumb šŸ™‚ ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2004, 4:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ban-on-pit-bulls/266988/32 "2004-10-02T04:11:13Z")
> [@Kythereia](#): > > Cars are involved in a disproportionate number of serious injuries and fatalities to humans. Cars are attractive to irresponsible people who should not own any kind of car. > > Do you want to ban cars? No, you want to ban (prevent) the people who handles cars in a seriously reckless and irresponsible manner. The difference here is that cars are a rather important device, and a serious attempt to ban cars would essentially destroy the economy and cause untold misery and suffering and probably insurrection and civil war. In other words, you couldnā€™t do it. Banning a breed of dog would not cause any of those things. > [@](#): > > It really isnā€™t the dogā€™s fault here. That isnā€™t the point. Who cares if dogs are at fault or not? Theyā€™re property. Iā€™ll again play devilā€™s advocate; pit bulls, no matter how much people say otherwise, are more dangerous than almost any other breed. Itā€™s not a reasonable matter of debate; they are responsibile for an astoundingly disproportionate percentage of serious dog attacks. Now, please note what I did not say: I did not say MOST pit bulls have hurt people. But the fact remains itā€™s a much more dangerous animal than a cocker spaniel or a Lab, and for all the blather about banning ā€œBad ownersā€ (how do you ban people?) the facts are that A) thereā€™s usually no crime committed by the owner until the attack, and B) itā€™s not like these attacks involve the owner siccing the dog on someone. Whether banning a breed will work I donā€™t know, but itā€™s reasonable for a government - especially the government of a heavily populated municipality - to place restrictions on peopleā€™s ownership of dangerous animals, and in my opinion theyā€™re generally FAR too lenient; I am sick of seeing people let their damned cats roam free to shit in other peopleā€™s property, and Iā€™m sick of seeing little kids scared by big dogs off their leashes. Perhaps a better approach would be a muzzle law or higher licence fees for dangerous animals - Iā€™ve never seen a study on what solution would work best - but frankly I wouldnā€™t cry if the pit bulls got banned. ---
**Author:** ![Elenfair](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/cc9497/32.png) [@Elenfair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elenfair)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2004, 4:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ban-on-pit-bulls/266988/33 "2004-10-02T04:25:54Z")
I agree that the main problem is the bad owners out there. As a dog trainer, Iā€™ve seen my share of problem pets over the years. To be honest, the most dog-bites Iā€™ve heard of were from little yapdogs under 20 pounds who, due to their size, werenā€™t big enough to cause death, but certainly big enough to cause quite a lot of damage to a childā€™s face. But itā€™s just little muffy, the cute white and fluffy cockapoo, so no one reports THAT on the newsā€¦ Anyway - all this said - Iā€™d be willing to meet the province/county/whatever half way. If I want to own a dog listed in the ā€œdangerous breedsā€, I would be willing to: a) socialise the puppy intensively in a controlled setting (like an obedience school) b) put the dog through basic AND advanced obedience lessons c) have the dog evaluated through the CGN (canada) or CGC test, a test which seeks to show an animal is a ā€œCanine Good Citizenā€ d) keep the animal under supervision - that means no ā€œchainingā€ outside, no ā€œalone in the yardā€ business. e) have the animal evaluated by my vet yearly for signs of any trouble f) do a yearly CGC/CGN test and keep a certification ā€œup to dateā€ Maybe thatā€™s one way to compromiseā€¦ the people who wouldnā€™t be willing to conform to those rules probably shouldnā€™t own a dog like a pit bull (whatever they are). Pits require committment - training, socialisation, and being watchful. Just my two centsā€¦ Iā€™d hate to see some of the sweetest therapy dogs (TDI certified, no less!) that walk through local hospitals banned because of their breed or type. Iā€™d also like to see irresponsible owners have to own up to their share of the problemā€¦ E. ---
**Author:** ![Kythereia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/e8c25b/32.png) [@Kythereia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kythereia)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2004, 4:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ban-on-pit-bulls/266988/34 "2004-10-02T04:26:05Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > \ > > That isnā€™t the point. Who cares if dogs are at fault or not? Theyā€™re property. > > Iā€™ll again play devilā€™s advocate; pit bulls, no matter how much people say otherwise, are more dangerous than almost any other breed. Itā€™s not a reasonable matter of debate; they are responsibile for an astoundingly disproportionate percentage of serious dog attacks. > > A) thereā€™s usually no crime committed by the owner until the attack, and > B) itā€™s not like these attacks involve the owner siccing the dog on someone. > > Whether banning a breed will work I donā€™t know, but itā€™s reasonable for a government - especially the government of a heavily populated municipality - to place restrictions on peopleā€™s ownership of dangerous animals, and in my opinion theyā€™re generally FAR too lenient; I am sick of seeing people let their damned cats roam free to shit in other peopleā€™s property, and Iā€™m sick of seeing little kids scared by big dogs off their leashes. Perhaps a better approach would be a muzzle law or higher licence fees for dangerous animals - Iā€™ve never seen a study on what solution would work best - but frankly I wouldnā€™t cry if the pit bulls got banned. Fwah? Dogs are _not_ property. Dogs are living, sentient beings. They donā€™t have the intelligence of humans, but they are certainly not objects. Pit bulls are high-strung, yes. Pit bulls have aggressive tendencies, yes. They have these because they have been \*\*selectively bred, trained, and reared \*\* for these characteristics. Left alone, a pit bull will not attack a child on its own. Treated well and with kindness, a pit bull can be the friendliest, sweetest creature on earth. You want a crime before a dog attacks? Try animal abuse. Yes, most attacks donā€™t involve the person siccing a dog on someone. But I repeat, a normal pit bull wonā€™t attack someone. A badly treated, badly tended pit bull will. Look at the statistics. How many pit bulls are there in Ontario, for startersā€“and how many have you heard about in the news? ---
**Author:** ![MacTech](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c0e974/32.png) [@MacTech](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MacTech)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2004, 4:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ban-on-pit-bulls/266988/35 "2004-10-02T04:36:50Z")
Perfect example hereā€¦ one of my freinds had a huge Rottie, Max, 170 pounds of raw muscle, classic Rottie stance and such, he _looked_ extremely scaryā€¦ ā€¦Max thought he was a 170 pound lap dog, he wouldnā€™t hurt a fly, my freind would grab his legs and spin him around on the carpet, he loved itā€¦ on the other hand one of my college freindā€™s mother had a white toy poodle, the classic fru-fru looking dog, the thing was mean and neurotic, it would _try_ to bite strangers, and wnenever it got mad at the mother, itā€™d grab the TV remote and hide it under the bed, the dog was a complete nervous wreckā€¦ itā€™s not the dog, itā€™s the owner and upbringing ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2004, 5:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ban-on-pit-bulls/266988/36 "2004-10-02T05:52:27Z")
As another Ontarian Iā€™ve been hashing this out a bit and to some degree holding **RickJay** ā€™s Devilā€™s Advocate position in arguments. The banning of a particular breed is problematic but surely within their scope. We donā€™t say ā€œItā€™s not the bobcat, itā€™s the bad bobcat ownersā€ šŸ™‚ Iā€™ve met up with quite a few pit bulls on my dog walks and a very common trait seems to be never knowing when to quit. Even the friendly ones. We can argue about the breed owner relationship but from [AnimalAdvocates.com](http://www.animaladvocates.com/dogbites.htm) > [@](#): > > Rottweilers and Pit Bulls were involved in 60 percent of the 27 dog bite fatalities that occurred in 1997 and 1998. Rottweilers were involved in 10 deaths, and Pit Bulls were involved in 6. > From 1979 through 1998, at least 25 breeds of dogs have been involved in 238 human dog bite related deaths. Pit Bulls and Rottweilers were involved in more than 50 percent of these deaths. and > [@](#): > > **The dogs most likely to bite** > The Centers for Disease Control study dog bite incidents, including the types of dogs most likely to bite. The breeds that the CDC considers highest risk are pit bulls, Rottweilers, German shepherds, huskies, Alaskan malamutes, Doberman pinschers, chows, Great Danes, St. Bernards and Akitas. And hereā€™s a [link](http://www.cdc.gov/epo/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/00047723.htm) to CDC report on dog attacks. Scroll down 2/3 to see a chart of dog attack fatalities by breed. So we can agree itā€™s not media bias covering up the chihuahua attacks. Report was a little surprising to me, for instance: > [@](#): > > In 1986, nonfatal dog bites resulted in an estimated 585,000 injuries that required medical attention or restricted activity; in that year, dog bites ranked 12th among the leading causes of nonfatal injury in the United States (5). In 1994, an estimated 4.7 million persons (1.8% of the U.S. population) sustained a dog bite; of these, approximately 800,000 (0.3%) sought medical care for the bite (6). So whatā€™s the solution to ā€œbad ownersā€? Mandatory dog rearing classes(before or after a police report)? Iā€™d like it- but I donā€™t think thereā€™s that kind of political will for it. I was thinking a muzzle law but: > [@](#): > > Between 1979 and 1998, 58 percent of human deaths involved attacks by unrestrained dogs who were on their ownerā€™s property at the time of the attack. Do you think people will muzzle at home? ---
**Author:** ![mks57](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b9bd4f/32.png) [@mks57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mks57)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2004, 6:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ban-on-pit-bulls/266988/37 "2004-10-02T06:31:09Z")
> [@MacTech](#): > > Perfect example hereā€¦ > > one of my freinds had a huge Rottie, Max, 170 pounds of raw muscle, classic Rottie stance and such, he _looked_ extremely scaryā€¦ > > ā€¦Max thought he was a 170 pound lap dog, he wouldnā€™t hurt a fly, my freind would grab his legs and spin him around on the carpet, he loved itā€¦ > > on the other hand > one of my college freindā€™s mother had a white toy poodle, the classic fru-fru looking dog, the thing was mean and neurotic, it would _try_ to bite strangers, and wnenever it got mad at the mother, itā€™d grab the TV remote and hide it under the bed, the dog was a complete nervous wreckā€¦ > > itā€™s not the dog, itā€™s the owner and upbringing If the mean toy poodle tries to attack me, I can punt it across the street. If the 170 pound rottweiler decides to attack me, Iā€™m dead. ---
**Author:** ![Cerri](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/3bc359/32.png) [@Cerri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cerri)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2004, 8:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ban-on-pit-bulls/266988/38 "2004-10-02T08:09:40Z")
My 135 pound well-bred, _very_ well trained Rottie would never have attacked you unless you threatened her or her ā€œfamilyā€. And even then, the two times someone did threaten her or myself for real (and not in a training situation), she backed them into a corner, didnā€™t attack, didnā€™t bite, and didnā€™t even snap at them, but held them there, growling viciously, hackles raised till she was told she could release them. She had absolutely no animal-animal (one of her very best ā€œfriendsā€ at the dog park was a JRT, hehe) aggression and loved children, right down to tiny babies, and was amazingly gentle with children and animals far, far smaller than her. My auntā€™s 2 highly-bred, highly-strung toy poodles I grew up with bit whenever they got nervous, which was always. ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2004, 12:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ban-on-pit-bulls/266988/39 "2004-10-02T12:51:33Z")
> [@mks57](#): > > If the mean toy poodle tries to attack me, I can punt it across the street. > > If the 170 pound rottweiler decides to attack me, Iā€™m dead. Yes, and when the 200 pound Saint I had as a child decided to attack you, you could kiss your ass goodbye. So, do you want to ban the other big dogs? Hey, look! Saints are on the list of dogs who bite, too. Along with other popular dogs. Ban? ---
**Author:** ![Shrinking\_Violet](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/df705f/32.png) [@Shrinking\_Violet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shrinking_Violet)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2004, 1:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ban-on-pit-bulls/266988/40 "2004-10-02T13:55:04Z")
> [@Cerri](#): > > She had absolutely no animal-animal (one of her very best ā€œfriendsā€ at the dog park was a JRT, hehe) aggression and loved children, right down to tiny babies, and was amazingly gentle with children and animals far, far smaller than her. Iā€™ve heard dog owners say this so many times ā€¦ _usually_ right after theyā€™ve attacked and maimed/killed someone ā€¦ :rolleyes: [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ban-on-pit-bulls/266988.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ban-on-pit-bulls/266988.md?page=3)