# Band members who hate each other **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [June 15, 2014, 7:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/band-members-who-hate-each-other/690839 "2014-06-15T19:01:34Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![astorian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ad7895/32.png) [@astorian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/astorian)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2014, 7:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/band-members-who-hate-each-other/690839/61 "2014-06-16T19:34:04Z")
I was a huge fan of many of the leading prog-rock bands of the Seventies. And Keith Emerson, Greg Lake and Carl Palmer often seemed to LOATHE each other. Indeed, the 1977 _ **Works Volume I** _ album looked like an effort to keep them separated ; it was a double album, and 3/4 of it consisted of solo material. They only performed together on 2 songs. Individually, all seemed like fairly nice guys. I never quite understood whether the bad blood was due to personal differences or musical differences. ---
**Author:** ![astorian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ad7895/32.png) [@astorian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/astorian)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2014, 7:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/band-members-who-hate-each-other/690839/62 "2014-06-16T19:36:02Z")
At different times, the Everly Brothers hated each other. There was a famous concert at Knotts Berry Farm where Phil Everly smashed his guitar to pieces and walked off stage, leaving Don to admit that they hadn’t been close in a long time. ---
**Author:** ![dzeiger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/46a35a/32.png) [@dzeiger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dzeiger)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2014, 8:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/band-members-who-hate-each-other/690839/63 "2014-06-16T20:23:58Z")
Didn’t Vince Neil and Tommy Lee of Motley Crue have some sort of feud? I recall one day flipping through channels and landing on some show following the bass player around as he tried to get them together for a reunion tour and being frustrated because they couldn’t put aside their bickering long enough for the essentially free money that a reunion tour would give them. ---
**Author:** ![Deeg](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/deeg/32/2955_2.png) [@Deeg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Deeg)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2014, 8:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/band-members-who-hate-each-other/690839/64 "2014-06-16T20:31:03Z")
> [@Crafter\_Man](#): > > I **Joey and Johnny Ramone** come to mind. IIRC, they didn’t speak to each other for 20 years. Was it really that bad? I know that politics eventually drove them apart but I didn’t think they didn’t speak to each other for 20 years. ---
**Author:** ![cochrane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cochrane/32/10441_2.png) [@cochrane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cochrane)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2014, 8:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/band-members-who-hate-each-other/690839/65 "2014-06-16T20:35:31Z")
David Lee Roth and Sammy Hagar, although they weren’t in Van Halen at the same time, toured together in 2002. They really didn’t get along and both have blasted one another in the press. Sammy really doesn’t get along with anyone in Van Halen anymore, except with ex-bassist Michael Anthony, who is in the band Chickenfoot with Sammy. ---
**Author:** ![TreacherousCretin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/treacherouscretin/32/476_2.png) [@TreacherousCretin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TreacherousCretin)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2014, 8:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/band-members-who-hate-each-other/690839/66 "2014-06-16T20:36:21Z")
> [@Orwell](#): > > Simon and Garfunkel were boyhood friends. I’m guessing it’s a bit overblown to say they ever hated each other, even if they did tire of the partnership, egos, etc… More than friends, they were performing as a duo by age fifteen. I’d say S&G were similar to Lennon & McCartney, loving and “hating” each other at the same time, like brothers. Which both pairs effectively were. I speak with the authority of someone who’s never met any of these people. ---
**Author:** ![Death\_of\_Rats](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a6a055/32.png) [@Death\_of\_Rats](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Death_of_Rats)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2014, 9:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/band-members-who-hate-each-other/690839/67 "2014-06-16T21:11:12Z")
I am not sure about the 20 years, but It was Johnny stealing and then marrying Joey’s ex-GF Linda that drove the wedge between them. The politics thing just let Joey keep jabbing at Johnny. ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2014, 9:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/band-members-who-hate-each-other/690839/68 "2014-06-16T21:33:34Z")
> [@MrAtoz](#): > > If it’s the same clip I’m thinking of (although it wouldn’t surprise me if there were more than one such incident!), you omitted the funniest part. As I recall it, it was an interview with the whole band. Sting says something, Stuart throws a drink in his face, they both curse at each other and race off-camera… > > And poor Andy Summers is left sitting there by himself, with a “WTF-just-happened” expression on his face. Can someone _PLEASE_ find a link to this??? ---
**Author:** ![nearwildheaven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/90db22/32.png) [@nearwildheaven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nearwildheaven)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2014, 10:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/band-members-who-hate-each-other/690839/69 "2014-06-16T22:45:59Z")
> [@Knowed\_Out](#): > > Metallica’s management hired [Phil Towle](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phil_Towle) as a performance enhancement coach, but he also served as a mediator between feuding members. I remember when Metallica played in my town when I was in college, and ALL the crazy stories were about Lars. Apparently, he’s also the source of the bulk of the band’s interpersonal conflicts over the years too. My favorite was that he went, by himself, to a really scummy strip club, and brought back several of the ugliest, skankiest, most diseased looking women back to the hotel with him. :eek: Some people were, like, “Dude, you’re Lars from Metallica! At least choose pretty ones.” Meanwhile, other band members were spotted in places like bookstores and a movie theater, doing absolutely nothing to draw attention to themselves and nobody was bothering them - and this was in the early 1990s at the height of their fame. ---
**Author:** ![Ranger\_Jeff](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ranger_jeff/32/2065_2.png) [@Ranger\_Jeff](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ranger_Jeff)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2014, 3:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/band-members-who-hate-each-other/690839/70 "2014-06-17T03:34:03Z")
Re: Cream. From my readings, I get the impression that Bruce and Baker hated each other and eventually, Clapton got tired of being the middleman/peace maker. As for Blind Faith, they took on Baker on the condition that he’d stay off heroin. And after they recorded and began to tour, Baker started using again. Kind of ironic, I know, but Clapton didn’t start until after he played the Derek & The Dominoes acetate for Pattie Harrison. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2014, 3:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/band-members-who-hate-each-other/690839/71 "2014-06-17T03:55:01Z")
Stone Temple Pilots finally got tired of Scott Weiland being a douchebag and a drug addict and kicked him out of the band. Which totally sucks. I mean, I can understand why they did it, and but I always loved STP and it’s not the same without Scott. Too bad he can’t pull his head out of his ass. Chester Bennington is okay, but… Journey kicked Steve Perry out when he was reluctant to have hip replacement surgery, and they didn’t want to postpone a tour any longer. ---
**Author:** ![Accidental\_Martyr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ce7236/32.png) [@Accidental\_Martyr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Accidental_Martyr)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2014, 5:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/band-members-who-hate-each-other/690839/72 "2014-06-17T05:53:11Z")
> [@Death\_of\_Rats](#): > > I am not sure about the 20 years, but It was Johnny stealing and then marrying Joey’s ex-GF Linda that drove the wedge between them. The politics thing just let Joey keep jabbing at Johnny. Yes, I also thought it was due to Johnny stealing Joey’s GF. ---
**Author:** ![HelloKindWorld](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/e79b87/32.png) [@HelloKindWorld](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HelloKindWorld)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2014, 6:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/band-members-who-hate-each-other/690839/73 "2014-06-17T06:00:47Z")
I’m not sure, but I seem to recall some members of Zeppelin not getting along too well at one point or another. ---
**Author:** ![Spectre\_of\_Pithecanthropus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spectre_of_pithecanthropus/32/12343_2.png) [@Spectre\_of\_Pithecanthropus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spectre_of_Pithecanthropus)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2014, 6:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/band-members-who-hate-each-other/690839/74 "2014-06-17T06:16:00Z")
> [@TreacherousCretin](#): > > I read in some book or other that Keith didn’t speak directly to Bill Wyman for eleven years. I found it rather hard to believe, and offer it here for dissection and debunking. IIRC Wyman himself has reported that, being several years older, having actually embarked on a conventional career (at a bank or some other City-type business), and already being married with a small child led to some friction with the others, and at times feeling like he wasn’t really one of the inner circle. When the band put out its first single, he thought of it as likely amounting to nothing more than something he’d one day be able to tell his kid about. ---
**Author:** ![Spectre\_of\_Pithecanthropus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spectre_of_pithecanthropus/32/12343_2.png) [@Spectre\_of\_Pithecanthropus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spectre_of_Pithecanthropus)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2014, 6:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/band-members-who-hate-each-other/690839/75 "2014-06-17T06:23:16Z")
> [@Apocalypso](#): > > **Kiss** - I got Gene Simmons’ book a while back, and he was very critical of Ace Frehley, Peter Criss, Vinnie Vincent, and a couple other band members whose names escape me at the moment. Ace and Peter definitely got the worst of it though. > > I don’t think he said anything negative about Paul Stanley or Bruce Kulick, but pretty much everyone else they’ve played with got blasted. > > **Quiet Riot** - I don’t remember anyone ever having anything good to say about Kevin Dubrow. Amazing! I saw them many times at the Whiskey, while Randy Rhoads was still with them, and just before Rhoads joined Ozzy Osbourne. The way they played together you’d never have thought there was a problem. ---
**Author:** ![tavalla](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tavalla/32/89_2.png) [@tavalla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tavalla)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2014, 7:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/band-members-who-hate-each-other/690839/76 "2014-06-17T07:53:52Z")
> [@Labrador\_Deceiver](#): > > Yeah, there was definitely context given, but I don’t think it was about the environment. I think the lead-in was something like “Don Henley is on record as saying that kids should not do drugs.” You’ve inspired me to dig up the book and DVD 😃 Book: “Don Henley’s gonna tell people how to feel about the environment? I don’t think so. A former member of the Eagles? I don’t think so. I’ve go two words for Don Henley: Joe Walsh. Okay? Take off your ponytail and prepare to die. All right, Donny boy?” DVD is as Casey1505 posted upthread. So we’re both right. Sing Kumbaya! ---
**Author:** ![Hippy\_Hollow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hippy_hollow/32/4841_2.png) [@Hippy\_Hollow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hippy_Hollow)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2014, 8:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/band-members-who-hate-each-other/690839/77 "2014-06-17T08:04:42Z")
Funny, I was watching a Stewart Copeland interview for his Police documentary “Everyone Stares” today. The reporter asked him what surprised him the most about watching hours and hours of Police history. He said it was debunking the myth that they hated each other. Stewart and Sting were very much like brothers with severe sibling rivalry, and Andy was the older responsible one. The water splashing incident was horseplay, as was the cracked rib Sting suffered during an interview courtesy of Stew. It should be noted that all of The Police appeared on each other’s albums after 1986, and Sting retained Miles Copeland as manager. Andy and Stewart were briefly in a band called Animal Logic with Stanley Clarke and Deborah Holland. I don’t think Sting and Stewart have played together outside of The Police. I think the only hate in The Smiths radiates from Morrissey to Mike Joyce and Andy Rourke. He gets along well enough with Marr; he gave his blessing for the Smiths remasters a few years back. ---
**Author:** ![lawoot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/35a633/32.png) [@lawoot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lawoot)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2014, 8:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/band-members-who-hate-each-other/690839/78 "2014-06-17T08:31:29Z")
> [@astorian](#): > > I was a huge fan of many of the leading prog-rock bands of the Seventies. > > And Keith Emerson, Greg Lake and Carl Palmer often seemed to LOATHE each other. Indeed, the 1977 _ **Works Volume I** _ album looked like an effort to keep them separated ; it was a double album, and 3/4 of it consisted of solo material. They only performed together on 2 songs. > > Individually, all seemed like fairly nice guys. I never quite understood whether the bad blood was due to personal differences or musical differences. Keith - I think we should do more serious music! Greg - We need to do more pop stuff to survive! Carl - MORE DRUM SOLOS! 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Orville\_mogul](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/aeb1de/32.png) [@Orville\_mogul](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Orville_mogul)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2014, 11:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/band-members-who-hate-each-other/690839/79 "2014-06-17T11:21:58Z")
> [@MrKnowItAll](#): > > Jon Anderson has long had a hot-and-cold relationship with his fellow Yes-men. The last I heard, he was peeved that they got the lead singer of a Yes tribute band to be their lead singer because he was having voice problems. In fact, he was having severe respiratory problems – and nearly died. But he didn’t die (thankfully 🙂 ) but didn’t return to the band either. Instead he returned to solo touring while he expected the rest of the band to wait around indefinitely. After several years of respectful waiting, the rest of Yes decided to pick up a new singer and get on with their lives. Yes is full of genius musicians and is very … complicated… ---
**Author:** ![KinkiNipponTourist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/e9bcb4/32.png) [@KinkiNipponTourist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KinkiNipponTourist)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2014, 11:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/band-members-who-hate-each-other/690839/80 "2014-06-17T11:48:08Z")
> [@RealityChuck](#): > > The Mamas and the Papas had all sorts of conflicts: Cass had a crush on Denny and felt betrayed when he had an affair with Michelle, who was married to John at the time. Michelle stayed away from the others for years. I am no authority of course, but from everything I’ve read about the group, Michelle is a total ho. Although I think I remember reading that she took care of her daughter after Cass died. > [@nearwildheaven](#): > > Ever seen Cass Elliott’s daughter? She never identified her father, but I’m 99% certain it was Denny. > > John Phillips wanted her to have an abortion, and she refused because she wanted the baby. Now John, John was a first-class prick. As for Denny being the dad, he gave an interview alluding to just that. He phrased it along the lines of “that train pulled in and out and no one will ever know what happened that night etc. etc.” Rather inelegant analogy but very sweet. I think it would be wonderful if he was her father. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/band-members-who-hate-each-other/690839.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/band-members-who-hate-each-other/690839.md?page=5)