I’m pretty sure we are. I agree with almost everything you’ve posted, and I agree the Sony, if it is true they stole copyrighted software to make anti-stealing software, the hypocrisy and illegality should be seriously punished. Just not by some punk in his bedroom who thinks he’s Fighting the Power.
4.5 cents on the dollar? Unbelievable. I can definitely see bands heading the independent route and signing exclusive deals with iTunes, Napster, etc. to bypass the man altogether.
Still carrying that torch for me I see. You’re kinda cute.
And what would you call those people back in 1773, the ones who dressed as Indians (oops, I mean Native Americans) and broke into that ship in Boston Harbor and dumped all that tea into the ocean, just because they didn’t want to pay the extra tax? And later gathered muskets, and fought off the “evil” British empire?
Our country’s freedom was founded on “immature, teenage angst.” That’s really the long and short of it. Interesting, how you continue to call me a “pathetic little thief” even AFTER I told you I don’t download music anymore, period. It’s actually kind of funny. You are so deluded by the lies and hypocrasy of Sony & other corporations, they are laughing at you, all the way to the bank. You can hear their voices in your head, can’t you? Can’t you??
Yeah, a lot of kids are into classic rock these days. If the suit is potentially going to be worth millions, I’d say the downloads are not, in fact, zero. :rolleyes:
You’re seriously comparing illegally downloading songs you like to the fight for independence? You’re cute when you’re braindead.
Then allow me to rephrase, you were a pathetic little thief. But the delusional remains true.
Well I’d call them revolutionaries. Men and women who for various reasons wanted to separate from the British Empire after a series of punitive actions taken by the British most notably a tea tax which the British East India Company didn’t have to pay allowing them to undercut local markets harming the colonists livelihoods. Somehow being pissed because a government an ocean away was telling you how to run your life through the Coercive Acts and harming your local buisiness isn’t ‘teenage angst’ in my mind.
However I’d call people that download music thieves and I’d call them delusional if they thought they were fighting for some type of higher purpose. If they go out and found a new nation I might reconsider that. Or heck even form a philosophy that when striped away of all the self-righteousness doesn’t come down to “I want this and don’t want to pay for it. Corporations are EVIL! LOL!1!”
I’m no innocent. I’ve downloaded a few songs but I never lied to myself about it at least. Face it you’re not a revolutionary Sony isn’t comming into your home and forcing you to like their music and punishing you when you refuse to buy it.
Heh, “teenage angst” – that’s a word parents created, to describe that period of adolescence when individuals emerge from the sanctuary of childhood, and for the first time start to realize, everything they’ve been taught is a lie. Of course, most of them outgrow it, and become part of the machine, and conspire to brainwash their own kids with the same pack of lies. (Thank God I held on to that part of myself, rejected the machine and became a freespirited, independent thinker instead! Or maybe I’ve been listening to too much Smashing Pumpkins lately…)
Perhaps not. But Sony DOES actively discourage creativity and independent thought, by harassing and shutting down websites which are well within their rights to “free use”. Beatallica is a prime example:
Ya know, when METALLICA has to step in and protect your rights to free expression, you know you are dealing with a truly evil entity…
That’s interesting. How do you think these kids became aware of classic rock in the first place? Guess what…they DOWNLOADED the music. Illegally, probably. And yet…some of them, for sure, are actually paying for the music now, since you can do that online now, as well as buying old-school CDs. Plus t-shirts, concert tickets, all that stuff. And would this middle school classic rock phenomenon exist without illegal file-sharing. NO! It would NOT! And I’ll bet companies like Sony know it, but they choose to be greedy instead, and perpetuate the myth that illegal file-sharing hurts profits, when in fact the recording industry made RECORD profits during the time when illegal sites like Napster and Kazaa were most active.
Or does that sound too much like “teenage angst” again? :rolleyes:
I was only replying to Doors’ post, of course, not weighing in on this particular issue. I’m sure many kids get into that stuff through illegal downloading, and I’m sure that others (like my 13-year-old brother) get into it through parents and older siblings.
Here I thought they broke into their folks old 8-track stash.
KGS, proof that a clean and pressed brain is better than none at all.
Not to mention the classic rock format radio stations. That’s how I got into classic rock in my teen years, long before the internet was anything the general public heard anything about.
I did figure out a way around the whole burning songs that you didn’t pay for angle.
20 years ago I used a blank tape to record songs played on the radio, and nobody was ever sued. It was an over the air broadcast, Sony made the blank tapes as well as the tape decks and receivers to pick up the signal.
I was recording songs free for later use like a motherfuck! Today Sony makes CD burners, recordable CDs and computers.
If I can access an online radio station, I’m recording like a motherfuck once again! Forget P2P, there are much easier ways to get songs burned to a disc that carry absolutly no risk of punishment.
Sony is just the highest-profile example of what we all knew was coming. The internet is the death knell of the recording industry. Sony is simply in the final death-throes of the change completely taking over.
Again, Sony was at the forefront of making recordable media available to us. Now it’s going to help end their reign over music. (Along with the other major labels.)
Poetic Justice is sitting in a leather La-Z-Boy masturbating like a motherfuck.
Far be it for me to agree with lover-boy, but personally I use the Streambox suite or Streamripper. I use to record the BBC’s Listen again radio programs. I must admit being partial to the Goons, Just a Minute or I’m Sorry I haven’t a Clue.
And every cassette tape you buy, every tape recorder and CD recording device, plus many types of blank CDs (the ones marked “Music Only”, which are the only blanks that work in standalone CD recorders) contain a hidden tax, a royalty that gets paid to the RIAA directly (or is it ASCAP/BMI?) because they ASSUME you are going to use these recording devices for “stealing” music.
Sony, the RIAA, et al, already presume that every consumer is a criminal. So why should we act any different? Technically, we’ve already paid the royalty. God knows who gets it, but the royalty has been paid. Anything else Sony wants, is just an act of greed and power. (Which, obviously, goes a long way in our corporate-dominated society.)
I think you’ve been listening to the voices in your head too long. Like I said your philosophy when striped away of it’s self-righteousness boils down to “I want it, corporations are evil so I can steal it!” I had a friend that was huge into the punk rock scene and used to give me speeches just like that all the time. She became a master shoplifter because it was fine stealing from big bad companies. However one day she came across a bunch of mom and pop stores that had things she wanted. She debated with me and herself for about 2 weeks about the morality of it. After all she was going to be stealing from someone that wasn’t a big business that had corrupted and did so much harm to our society.
No surprise when she finally just started stealing from them too that social commentary is just so much smoke and mirrors. You want to feel special like you’re taking on ‘the man’ or whatever but the reality is you want to feel like you’re fighting against the great mysterious ‘machine’ but there is no machine there’s just society you consume and produce and no matter what you do things will roll on all of your silly little stealing and other things will only make it harder for those that buy their music to do so without hassle. You’re not a free spirit or you’d be making your own music and only trading with people that make and give out free music. Instead you’re just someone that wants something free and needs these excuses to justify their own behavior.
Oh NOES! A parody band was told to cease and desist? You do know that part of copyright law tells companies that they have to vigorously defend their copyrights or they lose them. So naturally they often overreact and toss out cease and desist letters all the time.
And finally…what lie did your parents teach you? How to work and function in society? Brush your teeth so you don’t get cavities? Pray to god and sonny Jesus? What’s this horrible contemptible brainwashing that everyone goes through? I always enjoy hearing the vague ramblings of these ‘lies’ as I said I had a friend that was big on the whole fight the power BS but she could only say things like “well you work and you work and it goes to taxes that pay the EVIL government which in turn gives to the EVIL corporations which in turn steals more from the POOR Americans that then recurit them into their WARS to then murder and steal from the POOR people in other countries” I was always “wow your parents taught you that if you paid your taxes and worked that suddendly there would be no corruption and bad things in the world wouldn’t happen? They got far more in depth about the matter then mine did. They just wanted me to go to college”
Oh NOES! A parody band was told to cease and desist? You do know that part of copyright law tells companies that they have to vigorously defend their copyrights or they lose them. So naturally they often overreact and toss out cease and desist letters all the time.
That’s not copyright, that’s trademark. This is a perfect illustration of the confusion that comes of referring to patent violation, trademark infringement, and copyright infringement under the umbrella term of “intellectual property”. You do not lose copyright by not defending it. Also, parody has been held to be fair use repeatedly by the courts.
Sorry, I haven’t figured out the quote thing yet.
Dear Lord, duffer! It’s TRUE! They DID sell us the rope we’ll use to hang them!
C’mon, admit it. That’s funny.
Interesting. Sounds almost like when I got into shoplifting (though I never reached the rank of “master”, and we’re talking over 20 years ago.) Except, the one time I stole from a “mom and pop” store, I felt guilty about it. Never shoplifted again, in fact – granted, it was mostly a case of opportunity/risk being too great, but believe it or not, there was an element of guilt involved.
Dude, watch the run-on sentences. You’re starting to give away the fact that you have given up control of your life to The Machine, and you’re afraid to face yourself and realize that you’ve given up control. Think of it this way…when was the last time you did something for yourself, only because you wanted to, and was not asked / required / demanded by family, work, or your social circle? Doesn’t it seem like you’ve been so busy, busy lately, that you’ve forgotten how to stop and smell the roses? (Sorry for getting off topic.)
Heh boy do you not know me in the slightest. I spend 8 hours at work every day then 16 hours a day doing whatever I enjoy. Which mainly is playing games, spending time with my girlfriend and sadly reading the SD.
Right now the only thing that’s being ‘asked’ of me is my brother wants to go to some shooting range with me this morning and the only reason I’m considering it is because I NEVER do anything with him.
As for run on sentances yes I do have a problem with them. I tend to ramble until I feel like stopping. I guess I’m just a rebel against the machine of proper sentance structure.