# Bani-Israel, Judaism & Jews **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [January 16, 2014, 3:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bani-israel-judaism-jews/678967 "2014-01-16T15:29:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2014, 5:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bani-israel-judaism-jews/678967/21 "2014-01-16T17:02:16Z")
> [@Abisafyan](#): > > Similar is case of the title name of Prophet Yaqub; ‘Israel’ (AS), how the cunning Jews, the followers of Judaism, the historically most hostile nation towards Islam and Muslims could name their illegitimately occupied antiIslamic country as Israel??? Well, now I’m curious. In terms of total death-toll, who has killed the most Muslims: 1. Jews 2. Other Muslims 3. Some other group. I’m inclined to guess (2). ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2014, 5:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bani-israel-judaism-jews/678967/22 "2014-01-16T17:12:23Z")
When a post starts with > [@](#): > > Originally, before abandoning Islam, Jews… , I think there is no need to analyze or dispute any of the rest of it. It’s like starting a research paper with “Given that the Earth’s moon is 17 cm in diameter…”-you’ve not only poisoned the well, you’ve dropped a dirty bomb into it. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2014, 5:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bani-israel-judaism-jews/678967/23 "2014-01-16T17:16:00Z")
> [@Alessan](#): > > OTOH, it’s a well-known fact that ancient Israelites spoke English. Charlton Heston is my cite. > [@carnivorousplant](#): > > “From my cold, dead hand!” > 🙂 Not quite. “Manna is PEOPLE!!!” ---
**Author:** ![orcenio](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/orcenio/32/1036_2.png) [@orcenio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/orcenio)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2014, 5:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bani-israel-judaism-jews/678967/24 "2014-01-16T17:23:26Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > When a post starts with , I think there is no need to analyze or dispute any of the rest of it. It’s like starting a research paper with “Given that the Earth’s moon is 17 cm in diameter…”-you’ve not only poisoned the well, you’ve dropped a dirty bomb into it. **Abisafyan** probably should have listened to **nirreich** (in that Pakistani forum) back in December and updated the opener:[ [QUOTE=nirreich] Jews never abandoned Islam because they were never part of it. Judaism is much ancient than Islam. [/QUOTE] ](http://defence.pk/threads/bani-israel-judaism-jews.290014/#post-5008589)Fact check, **Abisafyan** , always fact check. ---
**Author:** ![LavenderBlue](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e95f7d/32.png) [@LavenderBlue](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LavenderBlue)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2014, 5:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bani-israel-judaism-jews/678967/25 "2014-01-16T17:32:23Z")
What is the designated day for the Stupid Post of the Week About Jews? If I recall correctly, it’s usually Friday night or Saturday. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2014, 5:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bani-israel-judaism-jews/678967/26 "2014-01-16T17:39:46Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Not the expected join date. He probably got the email about the hacking of the board and decided to continue where he left off in 2010. ---
**Author:** ![dogbutler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dogbutler/32/428_2.png) [@dogbutler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dogbutler)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2014, 5:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bani-israel-judaism-jews/678967/27 "2014-01-16T17:50:21Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > I haven’t read all of the OP but its looks like a Jewish version of Silmarillion. If Tolkien was a raving nutter. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2014, 6:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bani-israel-judaism-jews/678967/28 "2014-01-16T18:22:31Z")
> [@Alessan](#): > > It’s more like a Muslim version of bad Tolkien fanfic. > [@dogbutler](#): > > If Tolkien was a raving nutter. Oh, I was just referring to the length and readability.😃 ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2014, 6:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bani-israel-judaism-jews/678967/29 "2014-01-16T18:29:52Z")
So, if we’re all Muslims, can you ask the terrorists to stop killing us? Thanks! Actually, the only “bani” that is going to go here is the OP will be bani-ed. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2014, 7:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bani-israel-judaism-jews/678967/30 "2014-01-16T19:50:41Z")
Banned name! ---
**Author:** ![Los\_Anconfused](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/aca169/32.png) [@Los\_Anconfused](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Los_Anconfused)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2014, 7:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bani-israel-judaism-jews/678967/31 "2014-01-16T19:58:05Z")
Was I the only one who read this as _‘ **Ban** Israel, Judaism & Jews’_ when he scrolled down quickly? ---
**Author:** ![Trinopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/2bfe46/32.png) [@Trinopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trinopus)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2014, 8:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bani-israel-judaism-jews/678967/32 "2014-01-16T20:21:11Z")
> [@andros](#): > > . . . Thoughts? What motivates someone to do this? I see it as somewhat akin to spray-painting “John loves Mary” on the boulders next to the freeway, out in the middle of the desert somewhere. It’s a spurious attempt at immortalizing the message, knowing that people will see it. They fail to realize that, yes, we see it, but we do not appreciate it, and we do not internalize the message they might want. Instead of, “Oh, how nice, John loves Mary; I hope they are happy together forever,” we think…ah…something less kind. ---
**Author:** ![74westy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/74westy/32/3950_2.png) [@74westy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/74westy)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2014, 9:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bani-israel-judaism-jews/678967/33 "2014-01-16T21:02:38Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > Not quite. > > “Manna is PEOPLE!!!” You Maniacs! You banied Israel! Ah, damn you! God damn you all to hell! ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2014, 9:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bani-israel-judaism-jews/678967/34 "2014-01-16T21:30:43Z")
[QUOTE=Abisafyan] Originally, before abandoning Islam, Jews were called as Bani Israel, for they were descendants of the Magnificent Prophet [/QUOTE] Actually, Jews are descendants of the Magnificent Seven. Especially that cool bald dude. > [@Abisafyan](#): > > no grammatical relevance could be found Can’t argue with that. ---
**Author:** ![Telemark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/telemark/32/372_2.png) [@Telemark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telemark)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2014, 9:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bani-israel-judaism-jews/678967/35 "2014-01-16T21:34:04Z")
I’m guessing the OP came back to the SDMB because the hacked passwords email. Silver lining people, silver lining! ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2014, 9:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bani-israel-judaism-jews/678967/36 "2014-01-16T21:35:52Z")
> [@andros](#): > > Is there any way we can turn this into a metadebate on the nature of witnessing? > > I mean, I know it’s been done before, but I’m fascinated by the nature and motivations of the drive-by witness. I see it all over the intertubes, on MBs and Facebook and comment threads: someone blows in with a screed about their faith/beliefs, and then fucks off. > > The image I get is someone posting, feeling righteous, and dusting his hands exclaiming “Welp, my work here is done! Next!” > > That might not be right, but if it is, I don’t really understand the thought processes that go into it. I know I’m deeply bigoted, but I impute plain stupidity and no small measure of self-absorption. But a large part of me dislikes that characterization based on so little evidence. > > Thoughts? What motivates someone to do this? It’s the same principle as email spam for Viagra or Jehovah Witnesses going door to door; throw out your message often enough and _eventually_ you’ll get a taker. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2014, 10:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bani-israel-judaism-jews/678967/37 "2014-01-16T22:02:04Z")
> [@Lemur866](#): > > Eh, Muslims believe Adam was the first Muslim, as was Noah, and Abraham, and Moses, and Jesus. Not that these earlier prophets read the Koran or anything, but they don’t think Mohammed established Islam, just that he perfected it. I thought it was “no true Scotsman…”, not “no true Muslim”. But let’s not quibble. I know I’m gonna be sorry I asked, but what does the (AS) mean that is sprinkled throughout the OP’s very interesting demonstration of something or other about Jews? Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2014, 10:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bani-israel-judaism-jews/678967/38 "2014-01-16T22:10:56Z")
> [@Jackmannii](#): > > Actually, Jews are descendants of the Magnificent Seven. > > Especially that cool bald dude. Yul Brenner did say he was Romani, however one spells it, and the Nazis had it in for both groups. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![dogbutler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dogbutler/32/428_2.png) [@dogbutler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dogbutler)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2014, 10:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bani-israel-judaism-jews/678967/39 "2014-01-16T22:12:40Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > Oh, I was just referring to the length and readability.😃 AH! Still, it’s still more readable than the Time Cube guy. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2014, 10:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bani-israel-judaism-jews/678967/40 "2014-01-16T22:36:07Z")
> [@dogbutler](#): > > AH! Still, it’s still more readable than the Time Cube guy. There just aren’t enough hours in four simultaneous days to figure that guy out. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bani-israel-judaism-jews/678967.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bani-israel-judaism-jews/678967.md?page=3)