# "Barack...he's talking down to black people...telling niggers how to behave" **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [July 17, 2008, 2:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/barack-hes-talking-down-to-black-people-telling-niggers-how-to-behave/456789 "2008-07-17T02:35:25Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![descamisado](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e480ec/32.png) [@descamisado](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/descamisado)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2008, 10:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/barack-hes-talking-down-to-black-people-telling-niggers-how-to-behave/456789/81 "2008-07-18T22:39:26Z")
[QUOTE=Bryan Ekers] And this time, it was Jackson.Well, I’ve _been_ a sound person, and the rule was once everything was set up and tested, screw with it as little as possible because every adjustment you make increases the chance of something going wrong. You want to assert Fox left a hot mike for the purpose of catching Jackson saying something embarrassing, prove it. [/QUOTE] Even though this is GD, you know I can’t prove what I’m saying – any more than you can. All I can say is that when I was in college broadcast booths and sound engineer panels had mute buttons. Also, I was responding to those who were saying Jackson was trying to sneak something in about Obama and get attention. It just doesn’t make sense given (i) that he’s already proven himself capable of making direct utterances to get in the spotlight and (ii) that he bothered to backpedal as hard as he could away from this. If you read my post to **spifflog** , I’m not defending him or his words. It’s just that it doesn’t make sense that being sly was what he was trying to do. ---
**Author:** ![descamisado](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e480ec/32.png) [@descamisado](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/descamisado)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2008, 10:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/barack-hes-talking-down-to-black-people-telling-niggers-how-to-behave/456789/82 "2008-07-18T22:45:34Z")
[QUOTE=5-4-Fighting] Even though this is GD, you know I can’t prove what I’m saying – any more than you can. All I can say is that when I was in college broadcast booths and sound engineer panels had mute buttons. [/QUOTE] Meant to write I was at times a d.j. and a newsreader. And I must say it was a major assumption that I was defending Jackson\* and simply looking at the logic of the thing. - Especially since I don’t think Obama – or Cosby – are too far off the mark in the issues they’re trying to get black people to pay attention to. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2008, 10:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/barack-hes-talking-down-to-black-people-telling-niggers-how-to-behave/456789/83 "2008-07-18T22:52:10Z")
[QUOTE=5-4-Fighting] If you read my post to **spifflog** , I’m not defending him or his words. It’s just that it doesn’t make sense that being sly was what he was trying to do. [/QUOTE] I don’t care if you were, or if you agree with Jackson or think Jackson is an idiot, or think Jackson did it on purpose or if you think Jackson is an undercover Martian. I respond only to the ignorance expressed about the use of microphones and the suggestion that leaving a hot mike is a deliberate act of looking for something embarrassing, rather than a straightforward SOP. But I have stated the standard of evidence that would convince me otherwise - a Fox employee admitting the intent. ---
**Author:** ![descamisado](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e480ec/32.png) [@descamisado](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/descamisado)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2008, 10:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/barack-hes-talking-down-to-black-people-telling-niggers-how-to-behave/456789/84 "2008-07-18T22:58:15Z")
[QUOTE=Bryan Ekers] I don’t care if you were, or if you agree with Jackson or think Jackson is an idiot, or think Jackson did it on purpose or if you think Jackson is an undercover Martian. I respond only to the ignorance expressed about the use of microphones and the suggestion that leaving a hot mike is a deliberate act of looking for something embarrassing, rather than a straightforward SOP. But I have stated the standard of evidence that would convince me otherwise - a Fox employee admitting the intent. [/QUOTE] I don’t care if you’re convinced or not. I know what my experience has been. And this _is_ Fox we’re talking about. Since you’re defending them, I’ll have onsider the source and leave it alone at that wall. And for someone who claims he knows something abuot sound, well . . . . ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2008, 11:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/barack-hes-talking-down-to-black-people-telling-niggers-how-to-behave/456789/85 "2008-07-18T23:10:00Z")
If you’re done editing… [QUOTE=5-4-Fighting] And this _is_ Fox we’re talking about. Since you’re defending them, I’ll have onsider the source and leave it alone at that wall. [/quote] Yes, that’s right, I’m defending Fox. This clearly proves that I’m in on the conspiracy to keep the black man down. I personally invented crack and AIDS back in the late seventies. Here’s a heads-up: my newest project is codenamed “Moon” - it turns welfare queens into werewolves. The plan is to release it wide-scale at Hallowe’en so Bush can cancel the election and stay in office. > [@](#): > > And for someone who claims he knows something abuot sound, well . . . . Yes, that ellipsis is the perfect refutation of my experience. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![descamisado](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e480ec/32.png) [@descamisado](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/descamisado)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2008, 11:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/barack-hes-talking-down-to-black-people-telling-niggers-how-to-behave/456789/86 "2008-07-18T23:16:19Z")
[QUOTE=Bryan Ekers] If you’re done editing…Yes, that’s right, I’m defending Fox. This clearly proves that I’m in on the conspiracy to keep the black man down. I personally invented crack and AIDS back in the late seventies. Here’s a heads-up: my newest project is codenamed “Moon” - it turns welfare queens into werewolves. The plan is to release it wide-scale at Hallowe’en so Bush can cancel the election and stay in office.Yes, that ellipsis is the perfect refutation of my experience. :rolleyes: [/QUOTE] Yeah, and putting words in my mouth proves me wrong? Point to and quote where I, or anyone else in this thread, ever said this was done to keep the black man down or anything like that. Those shibboleths you brought up keep only _you_ awake at night and, note, you’re the only one in this thread who brought them up. I never said I believed it was to keep the black man down. **I said they did it create headlines!** Please, read for comprehension. You post are beginnign to resemble the act of a persecuted white man. It’s not becoming. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2008, 11:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/barack-hes-talking-down-to-black-people-telling-niggers-how-to-behave/456789/87 "2008-07-18T23:31:33Z")
[QUOTE=5-4-Fighting] Yeah, and putting words in my mouth proves me wrong? Point to and quote where I, or anyone else in this thread, ever said this was done to keep the black man down or anything like that. Those shibboleths you brought up keep only _you_ awake at night and, note, you’re the only one in this thread who brought them up. [/quote] Hey, if you’re going make up crap about me, I may as well make up crap about me, too. I personally shot Martin Luther King, though it wasn’t about race - it was because he’d dinged my car. And that whole slavery thing? Stemmed from a report I wrote in my AP economics class. It only got a B, though. > [@](#): > > **I said they did it create headlines!** Well of course they _reported_ it to create headlines. I mean, that’s a big fat “duh”. Your assertion, though, was that Fox “deliberately left the mike on to see if they could catch something”. The more likely reason is they deliberately left the mike on because it’s a normal practice to do so. > [@](#): > > You post are beginnign to resemble the act of a persecuted white man. Well, I _was_ hanged in Indianapolis for killing an Indian… ---
**Author:** ![descamisado](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e480ec/32.png) [@descamisado](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/descamisado)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2008, 11:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/barack-hes-talking-down-to-black-people-telling-niggers-how-to-behave/456789/88 "2008-07-18T23:44:50Z")
[QUOTE=Bryan Ekers] Well, I _was_ hanged in Indianapolis for killing an Indian… [/QUOTE] Excuse me, I getting bored. I need to leave _this_ debate thread and go take up the challenge of arguing with a sack of hair. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2008, 11:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/barack-hes-talking-down-to-black-people-telling-niggers-how-to-behave/456789/89 "2008-07-18T23:49:13Z")
[QUOTE=5-4-Fighting] Excuse me, I getting bored. I need to leave this debate adn go take up the challenge of arguing with a sack of hair. [/QUOTE] Going back to your roots, huh? ---
**Author:** ![FoieGrasIsEvil](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foiegrasisevil/32/16638_2.png) [@FoieGrasIsEvil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FoieGrasIsEvil)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2008, 11:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/barack-hes-talking-down-to-black-people-telling-niggers-how-to-behave/456789/90 "2008-07-18T23:49:51Z")
[QUOTE=Magiver] None of my friends talk like that. Must hang with a different crowd. When the Reverend Jesse Hymietown Jackson isn’t busy banging out bastards he makes his money pimping the race card. His gravitas would fit in a thimble. [/QUOTE] Yeah. I can’t stand that self-aggrandizing, grandstanding idiot either. I think guys like him do more harm than good by perpetuating the victim mentality amongst minorities, in this case, African Americans. ---
**Author:** ![descamisado](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e480ec/32.png) [@descamisado](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/descamisado)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2008, 11:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/barack-hes-talking-down-to-black-people-telling-niggers-how-to-behave/456789/91 "2008-07-18T23:54:45Z")
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**Author:** ![descamisado](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e480ec/32.png) [@descamisado](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/descamisado)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2008, 11:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/barack-hes-talking-down-to-black-people-telling-niggers-how-to-behave/456789/92 "2008-07-18T23:57:01Z")
[QUOTE=Bryan Ekers] Going back to your roots, huh? [/QUOTE] No, just wanted to _raise_ the level of discourse higher than what it has devolved to here. At least I tried to honestly respond to the actual issues raised. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2008, 11:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/barack-hes-talking-down-to-black-people-telling-niggers-how-to-behave/456789/93 "2008-07-18T23:58:56Z")
[QUOTE=5-4-Fighting] No, just wanted to _raise_ the level of discourse. [/QUOTE] Hair-raising, huh? If I’m going too fast for you, let me know. ---
**Author:** ![descamisado](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e480ec/32.png) [@descamisado](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/descamisado)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2008, 12:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/barack-hes-talking-down-to-black-people-telling-niggers-how-to-behave/456789/94 "2008-07-19T00:01:13Z")
[QUOTE=Bryan Ekers] Hair-raising, huh? If I’m going too fast for you, let me know. [/QUOTE] No, it just wasn’t clever enough to commit on, nor on-topic. Now my six-year-old neighbor, she might giggle at such a punny. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2008, 12:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/barack-hes-talking-down-to-black-people-telling-niggers-how-to-behave/456789/95 "2008-07-19T00:03:52Z")
[QUOTE=5-4-Fighting] No, it just wasn’t clever enough to commit on, nor on-topic. Now my six-year-old neighbor, she might like it. [/QUOTE] Well, bring her by. Maybe she has a better handle on technical matters. Couldn’t be worse than yours, anyway. Should I wait at least five minutes after each of your posts so you can get all the edits out of your system? ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2008, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/barack-hes-talking-down-to-black-people-telling-niggers-how-to-behave/456789/96 "2008-07-19T00:25:27Z")
[QUOTE=Bryan Ekers] I respond only to the ignorance expressed about the use of microphones and the suggestion that leaving a hot mike is a deliberate act of looking for something embarrassing, rather than a straightforward SOP. [/QUOTE] And you think that that was sufficiently important, (even IF accurate), that we need to derail this thread with half a page of personal sniping on the topic? Both you and **5-4-Fighting** would be much better off simply dropping the subject (or taking it to e-mail or the Pit). Let it go. [/Moderating] ---
**Author:** ![mswas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e99b99/32.png) [@mswas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mswas)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2008, 12:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/barack-hes-talking-down-to-black-people-telling-niggers-how-to-behave/456789/97 "2008-07-19T00:33:28Z")
**Bryan Ekers** however, is correct. Anyone who has ever done sound knows that leaving it on is SOP. Jesse Jackson is a seasoned political operative, he should’ve known better. He’s an idiot, the sound techs did their jobs the way they normally would. Just chiming my agreement here hoping it might help put it to rest. ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2008, 12:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/barack-hes-talking-down-to-black-people-telling-niggers-how-to-behave/456789/98 "2008-07-19T00:36:03Z")
[QUOTE=mswas] **Bryan Ekers** however, is correct. Anyone who has ever done sound knows that leaving it on is SOP. Jesse Jackson is a seasoned political operative, he should’ve known better. He’s an idiot, the sound techs did their jobs the way they normally would. Just chiming my agreement here hoping it might help put it to rest. [/QUOTE] Given that the disagreement has already gottern personal, is not really relevant to the topic, and has already caught the official attention of a Mod, was there a desperate need to chime in at this point? I understand the argument. I also recognize that it will not carry forward the actual point of the OP to worry it to death. Let it go. [/Modding] ---
**Author:** ![What\_the](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f4b2a3/32.png) [@What\_the](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_the)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2008, 11:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/barack-hes-talking-down-to-black-people-telling-niggers-how-to-behave/456789/99 "2008-07-19T11:57:21Z")
Maybe we can learn something about the acceptable use of the word “nigger”… What if JJ had said that “he’s talking down to niggers …telling black people how to behave” ?? ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2008, 12:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/barack-hes-talking-down-to-black-people-telling-niggers-how-to-behave/456789/100 "2008-07-19T12:50:24Z")
[QUOTE=What the … !!!] Maybe we can learn something about the acceptable use of the word “nigger”… What if JJ had said that “he’s talking down to niggers …telling black people how to behave” ?? [/QUOTE] You seem to be playing word games, here. Regardless of the construction, some posters will find the word nigger unacceptable by all speakers on all occasions, some posters will find the use of that word unacceptable when employed by various sub-divisions of the population and given a pass when employed by others. Changing the word order is really not going to change the opinions of those posters, so there does not appear to be anything to be “learned” simply by haggling over whether using the insulting term in the first or second clause is more or less acceptable–particularly since there will be no authority to whom to appeal to settle the disagreement. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/barack-hes-talking-down-to-black-people-telling-niggers-how-to-behave/456789.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/barack-hes-talking-down-to-black-people-telling-niggers-how-to-behave/456789.md?page=6)