# Barbara Boxer Lied!

**URL:** <https://boards.straightdope.com/t/barbara-boxer-lied/285911>\
**Category:** Great Debates\
**Created:** [January 21, 2005, 1:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/barbara-boxer-lied/285911 "2005-01-21T13:52:01Z")\
**Posts on this page:** 2\
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**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\
**Post date:** [February 1, 2005, 12:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/barbara-boxer-lied/285911/241 "2005-02-01T12:53:00Z")

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> [@Sevastopol](#):
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> There is indeed one view that the US constitutional system is overburdened with checks and balances.
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> It is indeed refreshing to see a solemn voice giving strident repudiation to the ‘due process’ model.
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> ‘Sovereignty of the people,’ ‘consent of the governed’ ‘due process of law’, these sound quaint already, don’t they?

Are you suggesting that FDR’s conduct was reprehensible?

Sure, FDR did an end-run around a strict standard of “consent of the governed.” But in the end, he acted with the blessing of the US Congress. I’ve made a case that he bent a few laws, and told a few lies, to reach a very necessary goal. I don’t agree that this constitutes an endorsement of overthrowing our system of checks and balances.

But I can see where you might regard it as such.

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**Author:** ![blowero](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/41988e/32.png) [@blowero](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/blowero)\
**Post date:** [February 1, 2005, 8:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/barbara-boxer-lied/285911/242 "2005-02-01T20:33:09Z")

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> [@elucidator](#):
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> Oh, I see now! You wanted America to get a permission slip to defend herself from the dreadful and aggressive machinations of the Saddamites! Is that what you’re up to Mr. WimpAss Pacifist Lefty? And when Saddam’s incontinental drones of doom are flying over our Eastern seaboard, spreading nuclear anthrax through our skies, what were you going to do, Mr. Liberal Quisling, dance around in a circle and sing “Kumbabya”?
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> You know he had a centrifuge, right? Cunningly hidden till our back was turned, and, then, he could start it spinning and could manufacture a nuclear weapon in just under 10,000 years. Bet you’d like that, Mr. “Personally, I Welcome Our New Iraqi Overlords”.
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> We all have made sacrifices, some lives, some treasure. But GeeDubya sacrificed his very _integrity_! He was willing to lie his ass off to protect our country. But I guess that doesn’t mean much to _you_, huh, Mr. Lickspittle Poltroon!

Damn straight! I’ll park my Hummer in the compact car space anytime I feel like it; I don’t give a damn if I block the door to your little pussy hybrid. Plus, I’m gonna say “UNDER GOD” extra loud when I say the pledge of allegiance. Those PC whiners can kiss my proud American ass.

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