# Barking Spider, A Smirking But Moronic Little Drooling Bigot (bis) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [April 27, 2002, 1:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/barking-spider-a-smirking-but-moronic-little-drooling-bigot-bis/105890 "2002-04-27T01:24:48Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Michael\_Ellis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/977dab/32.png) [@Michael\_Ellis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Michael_Ellis)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2002, 8:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/barking-spider-a-smirking-but-moronic-little-drooling-bigot-bis/105890/41 "2002-04-28T08:21:42Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by cuate \* > **KFC has headless chicken labs** I knew it! ---
**Author:** ![SPOOFE](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c5a1d2/32.png) [@SPOOFE](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SPOOFE)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2002, 9:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/barking-spider-a-smirking-but-moronic-little-drooling-bigot-bis/105890/42 "2002-04-28T09:43:43Z")
> [@](#): > > Being that there are several million illegal aliens in California alone, I think that counts as an Invasion. I guess it depends on how you describe “several million”. To me, the term “several” has always meant “four and above”. In any case, [California has two million illegal aliens](http://www.ins.usdoj.gov/graphics/aboutins/statistics/illegalalien/illegal.pdf) (WARNING: Link leads to a PDF). However, that’s out of [over 10,000,000](http://www.fedstats.gov/qf/states/06000.html) Hispanics (I’m using that part of the population since Mexico accounts for just over half of the illegal aliens), in a state with 33,000,000 people. That’s hardly an invasion. Where’s the worries about the Caucasian invasion? Or the African-American invasion? Methinks you need to polish up your rhetoric and hyperbole, buckaroo. > [@](#): > > Also, if you don’t think that many Mexicans want to claim the US Southwest as their own, maybe you should check out the Aztlan websites. :rolleyes: Because all Mexicans think alike, right? “We are the Mexican Borg… you will be assimilated, _muy bueno_.” > [@](#): > > BTW, why do you refer to illegal aliens as “immigrants”? They are not immigrants. They are criminals sneaking into my country. [This](http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?immigrant) is why. ---
**Author:** ![Mockingbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c68b51/32.png) [@Mockingbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mockingbird)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2002, 10:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/barking-spider-a-smirking-but-moronic-little-drooling-bigot-bis/105890/43 "2002-04-28T10:19:56Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Barking Spider \* > \*\*BTW, why do you refer to illegal aliens as “immigrants”? They are not immigrants. They are criminals sneaking into my country. \*\* You fucking moron. This is not YOUR country. Take your bigoted ass to a small island, designate that as your country, and fucking stay there. ---
**Author:** ![SPOOFE](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c5a1d2/32.png) [@SPOOFE](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SPOOFE)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2002, 10:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/barking-spider-a-smirking-but-moronic-little-drooling-bigot-bis/105890/44 "2002-04-28T10:31:30Z")
Hastur, that’d be a perfectly good waste of a small island. ---
**Author:** ![Michael\_Ellis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/977dab/32.png) [@Michael\_Ellis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Michael_Ellis)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2002, 12:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/barking-spider-a-smirking-but-moronic-little-drooling-bigot-bis/105890/45 "2002-04-28T12:51:51Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by SPOOFE \* > \*\*Hastur, that’d be a perfectly good waste of a small island. \*\* Not if it was Devil’s Island, SPOOFE. ---
**Author:** ![TwistofFate](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/cdc98d/32.png) [@TwistofFate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TwistofFate)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2002, 1:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/barking-spider-a-smirking-but-moronic-little-drooling-bigot-bis/105890/46 "2002-04-28T13:37:42Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Michael Ellis \* > \*\* > > Not if it was Devil’s Island, SPOOFE. \*\* don’t let the name fool you. It’s more of a peninsula. ---
**Author:** ![matt\_mcl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7ab992/32.png) [@matt\_mcl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/matt_mcl)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2002, 1:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/barking-spider-a-smirking-but-moronic-little-drooling-bigot-bis/105890/47 "2002-04-28T13:49:32Z")
I thought Devil’s Island belonged to France. ---
**Author:** ![Michael\_Ellis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/977dab/32.png) [@Michael\_Ellis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Michael_Ellis)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2002, 2:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/barking-spider-a-smirking-but-moronic-little-drooling-bigot-bis/105890/48 "2002-04-28T14:40:02Z")
OK, forget Devil’s Island, what about Innsmouth? ---
**Author:** ![Mockingbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c68b51/32.png) [@Mockingbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mockingbird)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2002, 4:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/barking-spider-a-smirking-but-moronic-little-drooling-bigot-bis/105890/49 "2002-04-28T16:40:19Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by SPOOFE \* > \*\*Hastur, that’d be a perfectly good waste of a small island. \*\* I was thinking something like Tierra Del Fuego… just smaller and not as nice. ---
**Author:** ![Barking\_Spider](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/9dc877/32.png) [@Barking\_Spider](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Barking_Spider)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2002, 6:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/barking-spider-a-smirking-but-moronic-little-drooling-bigot-bis/105890/50 "2002-04-28T18:18:53Z")
Spoofe, that definition doesn’t fit someone who enters a country illegally. Thats like calling someone who breaks into your house a “visitor”. Also, that reference for the number of illegals in Cali is 6 years out of date. Just in the last census, they estimated at least 9 million illegals living in the US. I’m willing to bet that there are at least 3-4 million illegals living in Cali. However, I will find a cite and post it later. Cuate, yes, I’m aware that that the Mexican gov is largely controlled by "White "Mexican. I just wish they would root out the corruption and set up a good economic climate so that poorer Mexicans wouldn’t have to emigrate to get jobs. Mexico needs to build a large middle class. Just shuttling the poor off to the US will only forestall the problems. ---
**Author:** ![Barking\_Spider](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/9dc877/32.png) [@Barking\_Spider](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Barking_Spider)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2002, 6:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/barking-spider-a-smirking-but-moronic-little-drooling-bigot-bis/105890/51 "2002-04-28T18:31:26Z")
Here’s an excellent resource for immigration issues and statistics [www.fairus.org](http://www.fairus.org) Check out the Research section for an eye opener. ---
**Author:** ![Rysdad](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/7cd45c/32.png) [@Rysdad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rysdad)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2002, 6:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/barking-spider-a-smirking-but-moronic-little-drooling-bigot-bis/105890/52 "2002-04-28T18:34:10Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by cuate \* > \*\* And according to your logic, I have…invaded myself. \*\* [Butthead] If I could do that, I’d never leave the house. [/Butthead] ---
**Author:** ![samclem](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a9a28c/32.png) [@samclem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/samclem)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2002, 6:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/barking-spider-a-smirking-but-moronic-little-drooling-bigot-bis/105890/53 "2002-04-28T18:56:05Z")
**Spider** Using the 2 million estimate from 1996/97 and using about 100,000 new illegals per year coming to CA., you would get 2.5 million, perhaps 2.75 at the most. I took some figures from [http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/national/daily/march/31/immig6.htm](http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/national/daily/march/31/immig6.htm) ---
**Author:** ![White\_Lightning](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f04885/32.png) [@White\_Lightning](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/White_Lightning)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2002, 6:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/barking-spider-a-smirking-but-moronic-little-drooling-bigot-bis/105890/54 "2002-04-28T18:59:36Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by **Barking Spider** \* > Here’s an excellent resource for immigration issues and statistics [www.fairus.org](http://www.fairus.org) Check out the Research section for an eye opener. Well, who knows what **Barking Spider** was referring to, but I went to the site just for kicks. It’s an incredibly biased source, of course, but I checked out their info in the ‘Research’ section on California, and _gasp_ it cites the same 1996 figure of 2 million illegal immigrants in California. Strangely, I don’t feel as if my eyes have been particularly opened by anything I saw. Incidentally, **SPOOFE** , good lord. ‘You will be assimilated, _muy bueno_’… That is COMEDY. On preview, **samclem** has actually posted something useful, using a reputable news source. **Barking Spider** , are you taking notes? ---
**Author:** ![Sparc](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/65b543/32.png) [@Sparc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sparc)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2002, 7:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/barking-spider-a-smirking-but-moronic-little-drooling-bigot-bis/105890/55 "2002-04-28T19:38:43Z")
Logically speaking Godwin Law can’t be invoked if someone pulls a Godwin upon oneself, right? The moment someone does, this should suspend the law, and enable everyone else to go for it as well, given that they would only be confirming the persons own avowal, right? I’d answer those with a yes and propose that thereby Godwin’s Law is as of now suspended from being active in this thread. Anyone want to be first out? ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2002, 9:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/barking-spider-a-smirking-but-moronic-little-drooling-bigot-bis/105890/56 "2002-04-28T21:15:39Z")
> [@](#): > > Spoofe, that definition doesn’t fit someone who enters a country illegally. Thats like calling someone who breaks into your house a “visitor”. Yes, it does cover someone who enters the country illegally. It doesn’t matter if they came into this country through a rusty sewer pipe or through an Act of Congress, they are still immigrants. Hence the term, “illegal immigrant,” to differentiate those immigrants entering the country illegally, and those entering it legally. See, you could tell this from the definition **SPOOFE** posted, because the definition didn’t say “a person who comes to a country _legally_ to take up permanent residence,” it said, “a person who comes to a country to take up permanent residence,” which means that word covers both people coming here legally _and_ illegally. So the term (immigrant) is being used correctly by everyone describing people entering the US illegally. Because immigrant doesn’t just mean people legally entering the country. Sorry for making this post so redundant, but since **Barking Spider** is apparently dense enough to be used as shielding in nuclear reactors, I thought it was important to repeat the important point a few times, which was (Are you paying attention, **BS** ) that the word “immigrant” _does_ include people coming to live here illegally. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2002, 9:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/barking-spider-a-smirking-but-moronic-little-drooling-bigot-bis/105890/57 "2002-04-28T21:35:50Z")
What exactly makes someone a “legal”, immigrant? Do they have to tell you they’re coming here first? Or what? ---
**Author:** ![ruadh](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/d2c977/32.png) [@ruadh](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ruadh)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2002, 9:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/barking-spider-a-smirking-but-moronic-little-drooling-bigot-bis/105890/58 "2002-04-28T21:43:49Z")
Miller is correct, according to the [INS definition](http://www.ins.usdoj.gov/graphics/glossary3.htm#permanent): > [@](#): > > Immigrant - see Permanent Resident Alien. > > Permanent Resident Alien - an alien admitted to the United States as a lawful permanent resident. Permanent residents are also commonly referred to as immigrants; however, the Immigration and Nationality Act (INA) broadly defines an immigrant as any alien in the United States, except one legally admitted under specific nonimmigrant categories (INA section 101(a)(15)). An illegal alien who entered the United States without inspection, for example, would be strictly defined as an immigrant under the INA but is not a permanent resident alien. ---
**Author:** ![ruadh](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/d2c977/32.png) [@ruadh](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ruadh)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2002, 9:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/barking-spider-a-smirking-but-moronic-little-drooling-bigot-bis/105890/59 "2002-04-28T21:46:19Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Guinastasia \* > \*\*What exactly makes someone a “legal”, immigrant? Do they have to tell you they’re coming here first? Or what? \*\* Eh, they have to either have an Adjustment of Status application approved after entering the States as a nonimmigrant, _or_ have an immigrant visa issued to them by a Consulate abroad prior to entry. That’s the short version anyway. You really don’t want to get into all the details here, trust me! ---
**Author:** ![SPOOFE](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c5a1d2/32.png) [@SPOOFE](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SPOOFE)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2002, 10:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/barking-spider-a-smirking-but-moronic-little-drooling-bigot-bis/105890/60 "2002-04-28T22:25:53Z")
> [@](#): > > Spoofe, that definition doesn’t fit someone who enters a country illegally. Thats like calling someone who breaks into your house a “visitor”. Miller has addressed this rather well, but I’m going to point out why your analogy fails miserably… The definition of [Visitor](http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?visitor) (“one that [visits](http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?visit)”) includes the caveat (at least in some of the definitions) that it is “an act of friendship or courtesy”, implying that implicit permission for the act has been granted. The word “immigrant” has no such caveat. See, Mr. Spider, you’re learning already. Don’t you feel special? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/barking-spider-a-smirking-but-moronic-little-drooling-bigot-bis/105890.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/barking-spider-a-smirking-but-moronic-little-drooling-bigot-bis/105890.md?page=4)