# Barney Frank criticism of Democratic Party

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**Category:** Politics & Elections\
**Created:** [May 5, 2026, 6:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/barney-frank-criticism-of-democratic-party/1029811 "2026-05-05T18:36:40Z")\
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**Post date:** [May 7, 2026, 6:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/barney-frank-criticism-of-democratic-party/1029811/122 "2026-05-07T18:18:54Z")

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> [@Banquet\_Bear](#):
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> An 8-year-old trans girl[1](https://www.readtpa.com/p/fine-lets-talk-about-trans-athletes#footnote-1) does not have any advantage[2](https://www.readtpa.com/p/fine-lets-talk-about-trans-athletes#footnote-2) over any other 8-year-old girl in any sport. A 15-year-old trans girl who has been on puberty blockers does not have any advantage over any other 15-year-old girl. A 25-year-old trans woman who took puberty blockers and later began hormone replacement therapy later in her teens does not have any advantage over any other 25-year-old woman in any sport. **None of this should be in any way controversial.**

> [@Banquet\_Bear](#):
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> There shouldn’t be any controversy here. And ‘having gone through male puberty’ absolutely should _not_ be the dividing line. The science and data are all there.

You notice what you did there, right? You said “there should be no controversy and the line should not be male puberty” but then you gave three examples that we should all uncontroversially agree are fair _and all three involve people who indeed did not go through male puberty_. You’ve very strongly made the case for male puberty being the dividing line.

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