# Bar's entire staff quits after they find out the owner donated to David Duke's campaign **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [September 3, 2017, 1:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bars-entire-staff-quits-after-they-find-out-the-owner-donated-to-david-dukes-campaign/795379 "2017-09-03T01:49:09Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2017, 6:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bars-entire-staff-quits-after-they-find-out-the-owner-donated-to-david-dukes-campaign/795379/41 "2017-09-04T18:59:45Z")
It’s an aspirational goal. ---
**Author:** ![Scumpup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ce73a5/32.png) [@Scumpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scumpup)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2017, 7:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bars-entire-staff-quits-after-they-find-out-the-owner-donated-to-david-dukes-campaign/795379/42 "2017-09-04T19:20:47Z")
Now I’m really curious…when we finally get done marginalizing, what becomes of the people who can no longer get a job, start a business, get a mortgage, etc? Really, maybe you should just execute all of them. People who have nothing left to lose have nothing left to lose. They do crazy violent shit. Ask any prison guard. If you are going to make it impossible for them to be a functioning part of society, executing them will result in fewer problems in the long run. Nobody will care. They’re only Nazis and pedophiles (and whoever else we decide). ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2017, 7:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bars-entire-staff-quits-after-they-find-out-the-owner-donated-to-david-dukes-campaign/795379/43 "2017-09-04T19:24:09Z")
> [@Scumpup](#): > > Now I’m really curious…when we finally get done marginalizing, what becomes of the people who can no longer get a job, start a business, get a mortgage, etc? Really, maybe you should just execute all of them. People who have nothing left to lose have nothing left to lose. They do crazy violent shit. Ask any prison guard. If you are going to make it impossible for them to be a functioning part of society, executing them will result in fewer problems in the long run. Nobody will care. They’re only Nazis and pedophiles (and whoever else we decide). Ok, you hire them all. I would not feel comfortable having an actual, real-life Nazi on my staff, but I’m crazy like that. Anyway, Nazis can still get welfare, so there’s that. ---
**Author:** ![Scumpup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ce73a5/32.png) [@Scumpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scumpup)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2017, 7:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bars-entire-staff-quits-after-they-find-out-the-owner-donated-to-david-dukes-campaign/795379/44 "2017-09-04T19:33:26Z")
Yeah…welfare! Marginalizing ex-cons and making it impossible for them to fit into society is working, if anything, even better than what we do with pedophiles! Doing this with Nazis and White Supremacists will be a slam dunk! ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2017, 7:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bars-entire-staff-quits-after-they-find-out-the-owner-donated-to-david-dukes-campaign/795379/45 "2017-09-04T19:38:04Z")
I don’t marginalize ex-cons. And for Nazis, it’s easy. Just stop being a Nazi and you won’t be marginalized. Rewarding someone for being a Nazi isn’t my idea of good social policy. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2017, 7:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bars-entire-staff-quits-after-they-find-out-the-owner-donated-to-david-dukes-campaign/795379/46 "2017-09-04T19:39:20Z")
> [@Scumpup](#): > > No, you’re just telling me about the Nazis we will supposedly prevent. I want to know what happens with all the ones who are already Nazis and who we marginalize. Also, how well is marginalizing pedophiles working out for making people stop being pedophiles? 100%, no. As **John Mace** stated, it’s an aspirational goal. Let’s not let “perfect” get in the way of “good.” Besides, near as I can tell, nobody is born a Nazi. Nobody is even born with Nazi leanings. That is a free choice made by a free individual. So fuck 'em. I wouldn’t give them welfare, either. Let them starve. And when they act out against this “oppression,” shoot 'em. ---
**Author:** ![Scumpup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ce73a5/32.png) [@Scumpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scumpup)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2017, 7:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bars-entire-staff-quits-after-they-find-out-the-owner-donated-to-david-dukes-campaign/795379/47 "2017-09-04T19:43:42Z")
> [@silenus](#): > > 100%, no. As **John Mace** stated, it’s an aspirational goal. Let’s not let “perfect” get in the way of “good.” Besides, near as I can tell, nobody is born a Nazi. Nobody is even born with Nazi leanings. That is a free choice made by a free individual. So fuck 'em. I wouldn’t give them welfare, either. Let them starve. And when they act out against this “oppression,” shoot 'em. Why wait? Seems like you are needlessly allowing people to be victimized when the Nazis act out. Why not just have the courage of your convictions and execute them straight away? They’re only Nazis. Nobody, least of all you, will care. ---
**Author:** ![Scumpup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ce73a5/32.png) [@Scumpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scumpup)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2017, 7:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bars-entire-staff-quits-after-they-find-out-the-owner-donated-to-david-dukes-campaign/795379/48 "2017-09-04T19:46:45Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > I don’t marginalize ex-cons. Why not? They’re thieves and rapists and murderers and all sorts of awful things that have involved real, live victims with names and families. You’re cool with marginalizing people whose crime is voting for a distasteful candidate. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2017, 7:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bars-entire-staff-quits-after-they-find-out-the-owner-donated-to-david-dukes-campaign/795379/49 "2017-09-04T19:58:09Z")
> [@Scumpup](#): > > Why not? They’re thieves and rapists and murderers and all sorts of awful things that have involved real, live victims with names and families. You’re cool with marginalizing people whose crime is voting for a distasteful candidate. Then how about if we agree we will not marginalize EX-Nazis? Those who have quit being Nazis are OK. Same with Cons. We marginalize Cons. In fact, as they are actual “convicts”, we keep them marginalized in prison. Once they are Ex-Cons, they are no longer marginalized. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2017, 8:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bars-entire-staff-quits-after-they-find-out-the-owner-donated-to-david-dukes-campaign/795379/50 "2017-09-04T20:00:26Z")
> [@Scumpup](#): > > Why not? . Ex. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2017, 8:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bars-entire-staff-quits-after-they-find-out-the-owner-donated-to-david-dukes-campaign/795379/51 "2017-09-04T20:07:20Z")
> [@Scumpup](#): > > Is there anybody else we should marginalize or is this the comprehensive list? What is the end game? That is to say, once we make it so that nobody will hire them or work for them and so on, what desired result occurs? There are probably lots of groups – domestic abusers, rapists, etc. At least as long as they’re not genuinely repentant. If they’re genuinely repentant, whether they were formerly abusive or formerly racist, then they should be (guardedly, at least) welcomed back into society’s good graces, unless they start to show signs of their old ways. And this is already going on, and always has been. There’s nothing new here, except that the marginalized “taboo” groups have changed (almost entirely for the better – 100 years ago, wife-beaters were widely tolerated and even accepted, but gay people or “race-mixers” could get serious social condemnation, including being fired). So there is no end game. There will always be people that take their awfulness to a degree that makes it so almost no one wants to associate with them. The only thing we can do is to do our best to make sure only folks who genuinely deserve it (i.e. nazis, child molesters, etc.) are treated this way ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2017, 8:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bars-entire-staff-quits-after-they-find-out-the-owner-donated-to-david-dukes-campaign/795379/52 "2017-09-04T20:10:46Z")
> [@Scumpup](#): > > Why wait? Seems like you are needlessly allowing people to be victimized when the Nazis act out. Why not just have the courage of your convictions and execute them straight away? They’re only Nazis. Nobody, least of all you, will care. You seem really worked up about this. Is it some kind of Bizarro “First They Came” thing? ---
**Author:** ![dalej42](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@dalej42](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dalej42)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2017, 8:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bars-entire-staff-quits-after-they-find-out-the-owner-donated-to-david-dukes-campaign/795379/53 "2017-09-04T20:23:31Z")
Getting back to the original story, I do find this story to be a suspicious. I’ve worked in a lot of bars and spent quite a bit of time in them. Overall, the staff is very rarely political. David Duke isn’t likely to be on the radar of the average bar worker in Minnesota, 1300 miles away from Louisiana. Unless the topic is smoking bans or minimum wage increases, I just can’t see the entire staff of a bar getting so worked up over a political donation of an absentee bar owner. I’m wondering if other factors are at play. Was the on-site manager a complete dick? Was the bar failing to meet payroll or having other financial problems? Just because a bar is packed, it doesn’t mean that the bar is making money. People have to pay for the liquor and food, it can’t all be given away. In a place with low morale, employee theft can eat into the profits as well. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2017, 8:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bars-entire-staff-quits-after-they-find-out-the-owner-donated-to-david-dukes-campaign/795379/54 "2017-09-04T20:24:17Z")
> [@VinylTurnip](#): > > You seem really worked up about this. Is it some kind of Bizarro “First They Came” thing? First they came for the Nazis. And we all lived happily ever after. The end. ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2017, 8:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bars-entire-staff-quits-after-they-find-out-the-owner-donated-to-david-dukes-campaign/795379/55 "2017-09-04T20:29:56Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > I would not force anyone to work for anyone at all. Since doing so would be verging on [involuntary servitude](http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Involuntary+Servitude) I concur. > [@](#): > > The Thirteenth Amendment makes involuntary servitude unlawful whether the compulsion is by a government or by a private person. The penalty for violation of the amendment must be prescribed by law. Although the principal purpose of the amendment was to abolish African slavery, it also abolished other forms of compulsory labor similar to slavery, no matter what they are called. For example, it abolished bond service and peonage, forms of compulsory service based on a servant’s indebtedness to a master. > > An individual has a right to refuse or discontinue employment. No state can make the quitting of work a crime, or establish criminal sanctions that hold unwilling persons to a particular labor . ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2017, 9:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bars-entire-staff-quits-after-they-find-out-the-owner-donated-to-david-dukes-campaign/795379/56 "2017-09-04T21:12:42Z")
They say that no one expects The Spanish Inquisition, but what I never expected was The Sympathetic Nazi Renaissance of 2017! ---
**Author:** ![Scumpup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ce73a5/32.png) [@Scumpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scumpup)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2017, 9:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bars-entire-staff-quits-after-they-find-out-the-owner-donated-to-david-dukes-campaign/795379/57 "2017-09-04T21:30:24Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > Ex. Ha ha ha…oh my! Are you telling me that their status as ex-cons indicates rehabilitation? That is very droll in light of the recidivism rates. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2017, 9:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bars-entire-staff-quits-after-they-find-out-the-owner-donated-to-david-dukes-campaign/795379/58 "2017-09-04T21:33:12Z")
> [@Scumpup](#): > > Why not? They’re thieves and rapists and murderers and all sorts of awful things that have involved real, live victims with names and families. You’re cool with marginalizing people whose crime is voting for a distasteful candidate. People who go to jail have paid their debt to society. Racists haven’t. Quit trying to sugarcoat the issue. We aren’t talking about a “distasteful candidate.” We’re talking about a candidate who is actively, openly racist and runs on racist policies. To vote for him, you must support that racism, and thus you are a full on racist. None of this quibbling over the middle here. If you voted for Duke or contributed to his campaign, you are not only racist but likely a KKK member. Because the law cannot punish racists, it is up to society to punish them, and one way to punish them is to refuse to do business with them until they change their ways. Ex-cons have already been punished, so it is our duty to try and give them a chance so they don’t slip back into crime because it’s the only thing they can do. Same if someone was a racist skinhead but has repudiated their past. Why is it, in all of these threads where racists are reaping the natural consequences of racism, we always have someone trying to come up with some sort of reason they shouldn’t face those consequences? How do you expect racism to end if there are no negative consequences for it? It’s bad enough that some people voted for Trump, but at least there’s some excuse there. People who voted for Duke are racists. Full stop. And we have the freedom to not do business with them, and the duty to not enable their racism. These people do not need defending! ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2017, 9:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bars-entire-staff-quits-after-they-find-out-the-owner-donated-to-david-dukes-campaign/795379/59 "2017-09-04T21:49:11Z")
> [@kayaker](#): > > And if my firing and my competitors refusing to hire Joe Nazi causes him to default on his mortgage, so be it. He shouldn’t have been such an asshole. No sympathy and zero ethical violation. > > Right? Yes. Those are his consequences for being a Nazi. He can choose at any time to stop being a Nazi. Or, at least, stop doing Nazi things and supporting Nazi causes. But he hasn’t. I hate these arguments. It’s blaming the wrong people. The Nazi is the one doing something wrong. The other people are either just telling the truth or providing the natural consequence of not wanting to work with someone who supports evil things. It’s not our job to protect people from the consequences of their speech. Sure, if we think they didn’t do anything wrong, defend them. But, if they did, then they reap what they sow. Racism is wrong. There should be no social safety net to shield racists from the consequences of their evil actions. I do not in any way shape or form shy away from what the result would be. I do not feel sorry for these people, because there is no way by which “there but by the grace of God go I.” Because I understand that racism is wrong. And it can never be shown to be right, unlike previous issues where people thought everything was wrong. The debate is over, and the facts are in. Racism is wrong. Therefore good people cannot condone nor participate in it. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2017, 10:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bars-entire-staff-quits-after-they-find-out-the-owner-donated-to-david-dukes-campaign/795379/60 "2017-09-04T22:06:55Z")
> [@Scumpup](#): > > Ha ha ha…oh my! Are you telling me that their status as ex-cons indicates rehabilitation? Yes, until otherwise proven wrong. As opposed to Nazis who are, wait for it… still Nazis. > [@](#): > > That is very droll in light of the recidivism rates. Then feel free to marginalize them if you thing that is appropriate. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bars-entire-staff-quits-after-they-find-out-the-owner-donated-to-david-dukes-campaign/795379.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bars-entire-staff-quits-after-they-find-out-the-owner-donated-to-david-dukes-campaign/795379.md?page=4)