# Bar's entire staff quits after they find out the owner donated to David Duke's campaign **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [September 3, 2017, 1:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bars-entire-staff-quits-after-they-find-out-the-owner-donated-to-david-dukes-campaign/795379 "2017-09-03T01:49:09Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 11\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![treis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bc79bd/32.png) [@treis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/treis)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2017, 2:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bars-entire-staff-quits-after-they-find-out-the-owner-donated-to-david-dukes-campaign/795379/81 "2017-09-05T14:44:52Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > There were times in history in which hating Jews, or hating black people, or similar, were entirely acceptable opinions to hold. Those times were much, much worse for Jews, black people, and other groups, since such advocacy didn’t get nearly as much or as strong push-back. > > Wouldn’t your preferred approach greatly increase the risk of the same kind of increased danger to black people, Jews, gay people, etc., as the lack of marginalization of such advocacy did in the past? No, because marginalizing Nazis in this way makes them more dangerous. A productive Nazi with social attachments to non-Nazis is less dangerous than an isolated Nazi with nothing to lose. It makes their message more powerful because it makes them look like a victim of PC society when much of their message is driven towards those with a victim mentality. ---
**Author:** ![raventhief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/raventhief/32/4_2.png) [@raventhief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/raventhief)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2017, 3:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bars-entire-staff-quits-after-they-find-out-the-owner-donated-to-david-dukes-campaign/795379/82 "2017-09-05T15:17:33Z")
Just out of curiosity- those who think it’s a bad idea to shun Nazis- if you find out your boss were one, how would you try to change his or her mind? Obviously, quitting is out of the question, because we shouldn’t marginalize or disengage with them, right? So- how do you react? ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2017, 3:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bars-entire-staff-quits-after-they-find-out-the-owner-donated-to-david-dukes-campaign/795379/83 "2017-09-05T15:43:32Z")
Clearly what is needed is Nazi Affirmative Action in order to keep our society safe. And don’t forget to pay off you local Mafia guy, too. You may need the protection sometime. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2017, 4:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bars-entire-staff-quits-after-they-find-out-the-owner-donated-to-david-dukes-campaign/795379/84 "2017-09-05T16:39:46Z")
> [@treis](#): > > No, because marginalizing Nazis in this way makes them more dangerous. A productive Nazi with social attachments to non-Nazis is less dangerous than an isolated Nazi with nothing to lose. It makes their message more powerful because it makes them look like a victim of PC society when much of their message is driven towards those with a victim mentality. And you know this because of what happened in Germany in the 20th century, right? :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2017, 4:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bars-entire-staff-quits-after-they-find-out-the-owner-donated-to-david-dukes-campaign/795379/85 "2017-09-05T16:44:59Z")
> [@treis](#): > > No, because marginalizing Nazis in this way makes them more dangerous. A productive Nazi with social attachments to non-Nazis is less dangerous than an isolated Nazi with nothing to lose. It makes their message more powerful because it makes them look like a victim of PC society when much of their message is driven towards those with a victim mentality. These aren’t hypothetical scenarios – through most of American history, there were plenty of white supremacists “with social attachments” to non-white supremacists. Those times were much, much worse for black people and other groups than today. And I don’t buy that these two facts are entirely unrelated. When something is seen as acceptable, then it seem pretty damn logical that more people will accept it. ---
**Author:** ![Scumpup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ce73a5/32.png) [@Scumpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scumpup)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2017, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bars-entire-staff-quits-after-they-find-out-the-owner-donated-to-david-dukes-campaign/795379/86 "2017-09-05T17:49:10Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > And you know this because of what happened in Germany in the 20th century, right? :dubious: Which part of the 20th century do you mean? There was a whole hundred years of it. let’s simplify for you: Do you mean before WWII and the rise of European fascism or do you mean after WWII when Nazism became a criminal offense in Germany? They are different questions. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2017, 6:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bars-entire-staff-quits-after-they-find-out-the-owner-donated-to-david-dukes-campaign/795379/87 "2017-09-05T18:40:05Z")
So, just to get this straight: I’ve got a job opening, and there are two candidates who are about equal in ability and experience. One is a Nazi, and the other is not an Nazi. I should hire the Nazi instead of the non-Nazi so that the former doesn’t feel “marginalized”. Do I have to right, and if not what is the correct way to proceed with the selection (yeah, there’s that word). ---
**Author:** ![Scumpup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ce73a5/32.png) [@Scumpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scumpup)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2017, 9:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bars-entire-staff-quits-after-they-find-out-the-owner-donated-to-david-dukes-campaign/795379/88 "2017-09-05T21:10:35Z")
You can hire whoever you want and I wouldn’t have it any other way. We’re talking money now. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2017, 9:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bars-entire-staff-quits-after-they-find-out-the-owner-donated-to-david-dukes-campaign/795379/89 "2017-09-05T21:14:39Z")
> [@Scumpup](#): > > You can hire whoever you want and I wouldn’t have it any other way. We’re talking money now. Then what’s your point? If you don’t have a problem with firing someone because they advocate for white supremacism, or quitting a job due to the boss’s advocacy for white supremacism, or not being friends with someone due to their advocacy for white supremacism, then what are you saying we should do differently? ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2017, 10:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bars-entire-staff-quits-after-they-find-out-the-owner-donated-to-david-dukes-campaign/795379/90 "2017-09-05T22:31:28Z")
These are out practical experiences—in the periods when racists and nationalists felt free to express their hateful speech in public without social consequence, they were emboldened and quickly pushed the envelope as far as they could. During times in which there were harsh social consequences resulting from such expression, nationalist and racist movements shrank and lost public support and minorities and other targets of racist movements made much more progress. Look at what is happening right now. Over the last few decades tiny groups of Nazis and racists occasionally engaged in timid marches. Ever since Trump’s rhetoric has offered solace to them, they have quickly escalated their tactics. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2017, 10:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bars-entire-staff-quits-after-they-find-out-the-owner-donated-to-david-dukes-campaign/795379/91 "2017-09-05T22:54:52Z")
> [@Scumpup](#): > > Good of you to echo something that a lot of people have already said;; you do have a talent for that. It is still a mischaracterization of my point. I have explicitly stated that I loathe Nazis. I do not consider the method under discussion a good way of handling them or reducing their numbers. It has not solved the pedophilia problem, now has it? It is a demonstrable negative as shown by its effect on ex-cons. People who aren’t allowed to be a part of society feel no obligation to follow society’s rules. Would you kindly then explain what your point IS? Because not wanting to associate with Nazis is effectively shunning them. Whether it leads them to changing their ways or not. I doubt most people are avoiding Nazis to punish them. Most people avoid them because they’re Nazis and Nazis are assholes. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bars-entire-staff-quits-after-they-find-out-the-owner-donated-to-david-dukes-campaign/795379.md?page=4)