# Baseball Hall of Fame: The 2024 Ballot **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Tags:** baseball-mlb\ **Created:** [November 24, 2023, 8:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/baseball-hall-of-fame-the-2024-ballot/993618 "2023-11-24T08:37:09Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2023, 9:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/baseball-hall-of-fame-the-2024-ballot/993618/61 "2023-12-01T21:28:41Z")
> [@Jeff\_Lichtman](#): > > Chase Utley has the reputation of being a dirty player, mainly because of his slide into Rubén Tejada in the 2015 NLDS, in which he broke Tejada’s leg. That reputation, fair or not, will hurt his chances of getting into the HOF, especially considering that he would be a marginal selection anyway. I grew up in L.A. and went to lots of Dodger games as a kid. My dad is from Brooklyn and went to Dodger games with my grandfather who was a rabid Dodger fan. (He died when Dad was 13 so I never met him). I was excited to have my team in the playoffs and watched that play live. I was so disgusted that I immediately turned off the tv and didn’t watch any more of the playoffs and couldn’t root for the Dodgers. If I can’t root for my team then it wasn’t fun to watch the sport and it led to me not following baseball nearly as much. Just a data point. ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2023, 6:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/baseball-hall-of-fame-the-2024-ballot/993618/62 "2023-12-02T06:12:14Z")
> [@ThatCanadianGuy](#): > > The thing is, it’s not measurable in a scientific way, at least not now. In a hundred years, fans will see this Ozzie Smith and wonder based on his stats why he’s a HOFer I mean, you can look up how many plays he made and how many the average shortstop made. It was a lot - in some years he converted more than a hundred ground balls into outs than an average shortstop would’ve in the same number of games. ---
**Author:** ![John\_DiFool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_difool/32/19543_2.png) [@John\_DiFool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_DiFool)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2023, 3:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/baseball-hall-of-fame-the-2024-ballot/993618/63 "2023-12-02T15:46:13Z")
> [@Wilson](#): > > I discount Helton’s WAR a bit because of Coors Field (yes, I know it should take it into account already). There is a dilemma when dealing with large home-road splits. On the one hand, yes runs in a bigger offensive environment count less towards winning, so each run should be devalued accordingly. But you also just can’t wipe ALL those extra runs completely off the board either, since they did lead to extra wins-yes, less than a run in say the Astrodome in the 70’s, but not all the way to zero. IOW if a player has found a way to take advantage of his home park, that should count for something. [Best two examples I can think of would be Wade Boggs peppering the Green Monster, and Mel Ott yanking fly balls down the line at the Polo Grounds, 258 feet to the right field foul pole.] ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2023, 5:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/baseball-hall-of-fame-the-2024-ballot/993618/64 "2023-12-02T17:33:14Z")
Exactly. It matters how much the home park helps or hurts the player as compared to how much it helps or hurts everyone. If Todd Helton took more advantage of Coors than other players, that actually helped his team. Helton really is right on the line. You can make a very good argument either way. ---
**Author:** ![Jasmine](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jasmine/32/2964_2.png) [@Jasmine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jasmine)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2023, 12:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/baseball-hall-of-fame-the-2024-ballot/993618/65 "2023-12-04T12:22:52Z")
> [@Yookeroo](#): > > One of these things is not like the others. Which one? 🙃 ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2023, 9:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/baseball-hall-of-fame-the-2024-ballot/993618/66 "2023-12-04T21:10:52Z")
> [@Jasmine](#): > > Which one? Maris really isn’t an inner circle guy like the others. He set a flukey record; he was not a player on the level of the other guys you mentioned. Don’t get me wrong, he was a very good player, but his Hall of Fame case is not strong. ---
**Author:** ![Barkis\_is\_Willin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/a183cd/32.png) [@Barkis\_is\_Willin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Barkis_is_Willin)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2024, 2:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/baseball-hall-of-fame-the-2024-ballot/993618/67 "2024-01-22T14:35:47Z")
Results will be known tomorrow. As of today, 50% of ballots have been revealed. Based on those, the following guys would be in. Beltre 99.0% Mauer 82.9% Helton 82.4% Wagner 78.2% Sheffield is a hair shy, sitting at 74.6%. I suspect when the remaining votes are tallied, Wagner will also fall short. Mauer and Helton could really go either way. The guys that don’t reveal their ballots early tend to be stingy with votes. Final note - while I do believe Adrian Beltre is deserving, I’m a little surprised at him getting 99%. As only a four time All Star with no MVPs, he is definitely a beneficiary of WAR. ---
**Author:** ![BlankSlate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/blankslate/32/80_2.png) [@BlankSlate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BlankSlate)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2024, 5:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/baseball-hall-of-fame-the-2024-ballot/993618/68 "2024-01-22T17:57:54Z")
Beltre must have been one of the best defensive third baseman of all time, if WAR is to be believed. He certainly passed the eye test. WAR is cumulative and he had a long career of consistent excellence. The 477 homers and 636 doubles are impressive, too. The .339 OBP and 116 OPS+, not so much. Still, most hall of famers are accumulators. To be that good for so many years is pretty amazing. ---
**Author:** ![Barkis\_is\_Willin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/a183cd/32.png) [@Barkis\_is\_Willin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Barkis_is_Willin)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2024, 8:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/baseball-hall-of-fame-the-2024-ballot/993618/69 "2024-01-22T20:19:41Z")
For sure, and having over 3000 hits is huge, too. And surely he won’t end up at 99% of the vote, but still, even if he’s 95% or higher, it’s wild to me that he would get in with the same kind of margin as fellow 3rd baseman Mike Schmidt, for instance. Like if you just asked me about Beltre before I ever looked at his stats, I’d be like yeah maybe, he did play for a long time. But he just doesn’t _feel_ like a no doubter. Hard to explain. ---
**Author:** ![BlankSlate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/blankslate/32/80_2.png) [@BlankSlate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BlankSlate)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2024, 11:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/baseball-hall-of-fame-the-2024-ballot/993618/70 "2024-01-22T23:55:10Z")
I feel that way about Utley and Rolen. Without the advent of WAR, I don’t think either one would have stood a chance. ---
**Author:** ![John\_DiFool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_difool/32/19543_2.png) [@John\_DiFool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_DiFool)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2024, 5:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/baseball-hall-of-fame-the-2024-ballot/993618/71 "2024-01-23T17:53:44Z")
Hmm, we don’t seem to have a poll here this year for some odd reason (of course Discourse’s wonky search function may have missed it just now), so did one up in the Polls-Only thread: [Who would you vote for the Major League Baseball Hall of Fame this year?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/polls-only-no-discussion/953642/4461) ---
**Author:** ![John\_DiFool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_difool/32/19543_2.png) [@John\_DiFool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_DiFool)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2024, 6:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/baseball-hall-of-fame-the-2024-ballot/993618/72 "2024-01-23T18:01:29Z")
I tend to be a somewhat Small-Hall type, and on that note am simply not 100% convinced by Andruw Jones’ and Chase Utley’s high showings in (most) of the various metrics, since their candidacies depend a great deal on these metrics. I consider steroids to simply be part of the baseball landscape back then, in the same way that deadened balls, elevated pitcher’s mounds, and Astroturf were. I am on the fence with Wagner-most certainly very dominant when he went out there, but a top 70’s starting pitcher would hit his innings total in just 3 years. Carlos Beltrán Adrian Beltre Todd Helton Joe Mauer Manny Ramirez Alex Rodriguez Gary Sheffield ---
**Author:** ![dalej42](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@dalej42](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dalej42)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2024, 11:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/baseball-hall-of-fame-the-2024-ballot/993618/73 "2024-01-23T23:23:38Z")
Beltre, Mauer and Helton make it. I voted for Beltre only in the poll, I won’t lose sleep that the other two made it. ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2024, 1:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/baseball-hall-of-fame-the-2024-ballot/993618/74 "2024-01-24T01:15:50Z")
Beltre - 95.9 Helton - 79.7 Mauer - 76.1 Wagner - 73.8 Sheffield - 63.9 (Off ballot) A. Jones - 61.6 Beltran - 57.1 A. Rodriguez - 34.8 M. Ramirez - 32.5 Utley - 28.8 Vizquel - 17.7 Abreu - 14.8 Rollins - 14.8 Pettite - 13.5 Buerhle - 8.3 F. Rodriguez - 7.8 T. Hunter - 7.3 Wright - 6.2 Under 5 and off: Bautista, V. Martinez, Colon, Holliday, A. Gonzalez, B. Phillips, Reyes, Shields. ---
**Author:** ![Ulf\_the\_Unwashed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/b4bc9f/32.png) [@Ulf\_the\_Unwashed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ulf_the_Unwashed)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2024, 1:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/baseball-hall-of-fame-the-2024-ballot/993618/75 "2024-01-24T01:21:56Z")
The three who got in are quite deserving in my book and I would’ve voted for all 3. I feel bad for Wagner and Sheffield, Sheffield for timing out and Wagner for coming soooo close. I expect they will both get in one way or another. I think I wouldn’t have voted for either, but it certainly wouldn’t be a travesty if they made it. ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2024, 1:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/baseball-hall-of-fame-the-2024-ballot/993618/76 "2024-01-24T01:22:57Z")
I think it a travesty they’re still pretending the likes of A-Rod and Manny aren’t worthy. This omission will end up looking very stupid in the future. ---
**Author:** ![John\_DiFool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_difool/32/19543_2.png) [@John\_DiFool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_DiFool)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2024, 2:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/baseball-hall-of-fame-the-2024-ballot/993618/77 "2024-01-24T02:14:20Z")
Tracker vs. Actual, difference (+ means the private voters favored the candidate, - means the public voters did): Adrián Beltré 99.1, 95.9%, **-3.2** Joe Mauer 83.6% 76.1% **-7.5** Todd Helton 82.6% 79.7% **-2.9** Billy Wagner 78.5% 73.8% **-4.7** Gary Sheffield 73.5% 63.9% **-9.6** Andruw Jones 69.4% 61.6% **-7.8** Carlos Beltrán 65.8% 57.1 **-8.7** Chase Utley 39.3% 28.8% **-10.5** Álex Rodríguez 37.4% 34.8% **-2.6** Manny Ramírez 34.2% 32.5 **-1.7** Bobby Abreu 17.4% 14.8% **-2.6** Andy Pettitte 15.5% 13.5% **-2.0** Jimmy Rollins 14.6% 14.8% **+0.2** Omar Vizquel 11.0% 17.7% **+6.7** Mark Buehrle 7.3% 8.3% **+1.0** Francisco Rodríguez 6.8% 7.8% **+1.0** David Wright 5.9% 6.2% **+0.3** Torii Hunter 4.6% 7.3% **+2.5** In percentage terms Chase Utley had the biggest gap-only about 20% of the private voters sprang for him. ---
**Author:** ![BlankSlate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/blankslate/32/80_2.png) [@BlankSlate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BlankSlate)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2024, 3:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/baseball-hall-of-fame-the-2024-ballot/993618/78 "2024-01-24T03:51:05Z")
Sheff must have been pretty bad defensively, no matter where he played. He gets dinged hard by WAR because of it. ---
**Author:** ![Barkis\_is\_Willin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/a183cd/32.png) [@Barkis\_is\_Willin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Barkis_is_Willin)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2024, 12:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/baseball-hall-of-fame-the-2024-ballot/993618/79 "2024-01-24T12:29:04Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > I think it a travesty they’re still pretending the likes of A-Rod and Manny aren’t worthy. Totally agree, but until Bonds and Clemens get in, it’s pretty much a moot point. I guess at least with ARod and Manny you can say those guys were _actually_ suspended from the game for breaking established rules. Still, I’d vote for them. ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2024, 1:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/baseball-hall-of-fame-the-2024-ballot/993618/80 "2024-01-24T13:55:19Z")
I note the Omar Vizquel for the HOF path is now over. A few years ago he looked like he’d get there but the revelations that he’s a scumbag have killed that. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/baseball-hall-of-fame-the-2024-ballot/993618.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/baseball-hall-of-fame-the-2024-ballot/993618.md?page=5)