# Baseball July 2009 **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Tags:** baseball-mlb\ **Created:** [July 2, 2009, 8:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/baseball-july-2009/501737 "2009-07-02T20:43:35Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 16
**Author:** ![FoieGrasIsEvil](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foiegrasisevil/32/16638_2.png) [@FoieGrasIsEvil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FoieGrasIsEvil)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2009, 2:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/baseball-july-2009/501737/301 "2009-07-24T02:51:43Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > It was. > > I was at Angels Stadium that day, and showed up early. When Johnson got close to the perfecto, still well before the Angels-Yankees game was about to start, they put it up on the big screen, and everyone in the park went nuts when he got it. > > There’s another great thing about baseball. Its fans appreciate BASEBALL, and can appreciate excellence achieved for any team. It’s like that scene towards the end of _For The Love Of The Game_, when Kevin Costner’s character (Billy Chapel) completes his perfect game against the Yanks, and even the super-obnoxious Yank fan in the stands stands up and gives him props, and encourages others to do so as well. I love that movie! 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Defensive\_Indifference](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/defensive_indifference/32/6502_2.png) [@Defensive\_Indifference](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Defensive_Indifference)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2009, 12:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/baseball-july-2009/501737/302 "2009-07-24T12:12:09Z")
> [@FoieGrasIsEvil](#): > > It’s like that scene towards the end of _For The Love Of The Game_, when Kevin Costner’s character (Billy Chapel) completes his perfect game against the Yanks, and even the super-obnoxious Yank fan in the stands stands up and gives him props, and encourages others to do so as well. > > I love that movie! > > 🙂 My favorite part of that movie: He’s just thrown the perfect game, he goes back to his hotel room,and bursts into tears. Beurhle grew up not far from me. My sister-in-law taught at his school district. It’s nice to see a local guy hit it big. Good for him! ---
**Author:** ![Jas09](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/d07c76/32.png) [@Jas09](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jas09)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2009, 4:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/baseball-july-2009/501737/303 "2009-07-24T16:34:44Z")
Well, I guess the Cards are [going for it this year](http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=4353256). Can’t say I’m a big fan of trading Wallace for a few months of Holliday (and am not sure he’ll be worth the money it’ll take to extend him). To have to throw in even more prospects makes me like the deal even less. Of course, if the Birds make the playoffs and make a run then it’s all worth it, I suppose. ---
**Author:** ![Thudlow\_Boink](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thudlow_boink/32/320_2.png) [@Thudlow\_Boink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thudlow_Boink)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2009, 6:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/baseball-july-2009/501737/304 "2009-07-24T18:30:35Z")
> [@Jas09](#): > > Well, I guess the Cards are [going for it this year](http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=4353256). Can’t say I’m a big fan of trading Wallace for a few months of Holliday (and am not sure he’ll be worth the money it’ll take to extend him). To have to throw in even more prospects makes me like the deal even less. Yeah, I don’t get it. The De Rosa deal made sense, but I don’t see how this or the Lugo trade really helps the Cardinals. They’re already a good enough team to have a decent shot at making the playoffs, and what they need to give them an even better shot is a starting pitcher to replace the weak link (Wellemeyer) in an otherwise solid rotation, and a really good hitter to protect Albert Pujols (which they seem to think Holliday might be, but he doesn’t look that impressive). ---
**Author:** ![HoboStew](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/f17d59/32.png) [@HoboStew](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HoboStew)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2009, 6:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/baseball-july-2009/501737/305 "2009-07-24T18:50:52Z")
As an A’s fan, I liked the move. At 16 out we don’t have any realistic shot this season, we desperately need some impact players in the infield, and we weren’t going to get compensation picks for Holliday unless we offered him arbitration, which was looking like a $16 mil price tag which he might very well take considering the current market. But for Cards fans - don’t let Holliday’s #s this season deceive you. He had an extremely slow start and was hitting in a lineup without one other above average hitter. And lately he had been absolutely mashing the ball. Stick him ahead of (or behind) Pujols and he will rake. ---
**Author:** ![Least\_Original\_User\_Name\_Ever](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e480ec/32.png) [@Least\_Original\_User\_Name\_Ever](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Least_Original_User_Name_Ever)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2009, 7:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/baseball-july-2009/501737/306 "2009-07-24T19:45:46Z")
Tigers start their lead up in the first half of the double-header today, beating the White Sox. Good times. ---
**Author:** ![Defensive\_Indifference](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/defensive_indifference/32/6502_2.png) [@Defensive\_Indifference](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Defensive_Indifference)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2009, 9:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/baseball-july-2009/501737/307 "2009-07-24T21:41:19Z")
I _think_ I like the Holliday deal. I do hate to see Wallace go for a rental. But, as **HoboStew** says, Holliday’s been hot lately. And, at least part of the motivation for this deal is showing Pujols that they’re serious about winning, so he’ll want to stick around. If Pujols’ tacitly (or even directly - who knows) indicated to the team, “Add a bat or I’m gone in 2011”, then maybe the Cards spent Wallace for a few more years of Pujols’ services in addition to whatever they get from Holliday. I can get behind that. ---
**Author:** ![FoieGrasIsEvil](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foiegrasisevil/32/16638_2.png) [@FoieGrasIsEvil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FoieGrasIsEvil)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2009, 9:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/baseball-july-2009/501737/308 "2009-07-24T21:54:32Z")
I wish my team would make a blockbuster move. Oh wait, we did with Griffey. That worked out great. \<\\> Can’t get no love in the Nasty 'Nati. ---
**Author:** ![FoieGrasIsEvil](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foiegrasisevil/32/16638_2.png) [@FoieGrasIsEvil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FoieGrasIsEvil)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2009, 11:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/baseball-july-2009/501737/309 "2009-07-24T23:32:34Z")
Fucking Reds! Fucking Reds! Sound the alarm, we’re gonna have a fire sale here! Woot, woot, woot…shitty goods for sale, who wants Bronson Arroyo’s $10 million dollar contract? Anyone? Anyone? Going once, going twice… Ah fuck. Is it NFL season yet? I’m a Bengals fan, and am eagerly anticipating a return to the Superbowl so I don’t have to suffer any more. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Thudlow\_Boink](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thudlow_boink/32/320_2.png) [@Thudlow\_Boink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thudlow_Boink)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2009, 1:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/baseball-july-2009/501737/310 "2009-07-25T01:38:43Z")
> [@HoboStew](#): > > But for Cards fans - don’t let Holliday’s #s this season deceive you. He had an extremely slow start and was hitting in a lineup without one other above average hitter. And lately he had been absolutely mashing the ball. Stick him ahead of (or behind) Pujols and he will rake. Okay, I stand corrected (as I sit here listening to tonight’s game). **Bayard** , you make a good point. I know Pujols likes it in St. Louis but wouldn’t stay and play for a team that wasn’t in contention. As for the Lugo deal… well, I guess with the addition of Holliday, it really doesn’t make sense to keep Chris Duncan. If that’s the best they could get for him, fine. ---
**Author:** ![Starbreaker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ac8455/32.png) [@Starbreaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starbreaker)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2009, 1:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/baseball-july-2009/501737/311 "2009-07-25T01:55:44Z")
The Braves just gave up their first home run in 78 innings. Sigh. It’s all tied up with the Brew Crew now. ---
**Author:** ![Southern\_Yankee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/southern_yankee/32/2800_2.png) [@Southern\_Yankee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Southern_Yankee)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2009, 2:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/baseball-july-2009/501737/312 "2009-07-25T02:13:57Z")
Gotta love the second half of the season… ---
**Author:** ![Defensive\_Indifference](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/defensive_indifference/32/6502_2.png) [@Defensive\_Indifference](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Defensive_Indifference)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2009, 2:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/baseball-july-2009/501737/313 "2009-07-25T02:43:10Z")
OK, OK, tonight’s game proably featured a few performance outliers: Lugo: 2-for-5 with a triple and HR Holliday: 4-for-5 (!), 1 SB, 1 R, 1 RBI Ankiel: 3-for-4, 3 RBI Lugo, Holliday, welcome aboard, boys! Ankiel, welcome back! A 15-hit night for the Redbirds and a 8-1 spanking of the Phillies. Wow. ---
**Author:** ![Sir\_T-Cups](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ed655f/32.png) [@Sir\_T-Cups](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sir_T-Cups)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2009, 2:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/baseball-july-2009/501737/314 "2009-07-25T02:54:19Z")
> [@Starbreaker](#): > > The Braves just gave up their first home run in 78 innings. Sigh. It’s all tied up with the Brew Crew now. Have fun with this win. The Brewers will no longer be a factor in the Central. Have fun St. Louis… ---
**Author:** ![dalej42](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@dalej42](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dalej42)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2009, 2:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/baseball-july-2009/501737/315 "2009-07-25T02:55:48Z")
Rangers beat Greinke tonight. Greinke pitched well, but Rangers shut out the Royals 2-0 Astros are beating the Mets. And the ############ Diamondbacks are losing to the Pirates! ---
**Author:** ![Least\_Original\_User\_Name\_Ever](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e480ec/32.png) [@Least\_Original\_User\_Name\_Ever](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Least_Original_User_Name_Ever)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2009, 3:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/baseball-july-2009/501737/316 "2009-07-25T03:00:48Z")
Tigers take the double header. 2 games in first in the Central. If you were the Tigers GM, would you be buyers or sellers? If buyers, what and at what price? If sellers, what would you sell/keep? ---
**Author:** ![FoieGrasIsEvil](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foiegrasisevil/32/16638_2.png) [@FoieGrasIsEvil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FoieGrasIsEvil)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2009, 3:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/baseball-july-2009/501737/317 "2009-07-25T03:06:36Z")
> [@Sir\_T-Cups](#): > > Have fun with this win. > > The Brewers will no longer be a factor in the Central. Have fun St. Louis… Will no sensible Doper address my outrage and pain? I am an island. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![dalej42](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@dalej42](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dalej42)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2009, 5:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/baseball-july-2009/501737/318 "2009-07-25T05:51:17Z")
Strange, just saw Vicente Padilla tested positive for swine flu. Very strange. The Rangers have had several players sick with flu this past week. ---
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2009, 6:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/baseball-july-2009/501737/319 "2009-07-25T06:03:15Z")
> [@dalej42](#): > > Strange, just saw Vicente Padilla tested positive for swine flu. Very strange. Not sure why you think this is strange. The swine flu has infected quite a few Americans. Statistically, a baseball player was pretty likely to get it eventually, and the Rangers are in a part of the country very close to Mexico, where the virus has been coming from. ---
**Author:** ![Southern\_Yankee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/southern_yankee/32/2800_2.png) [@Southern\_Yankee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Southern_Yankee)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2009, 11:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/baseball-july-2009/501737/320 "2009-07-25T11:13:35Z")
> [@mhendo](#): > > Not sure why you think this is strange. The swine flu has infected quite a few Americans. Statistically, a baseball player was pretty likely to get it eventually, and the Rangers are in a part of the country very close to Mexico, where the virus has been coming from. I saw the blurb “…tested positive…” and was a little surprised to see “Swine Flu” at the end. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/baseball-july-2009/501737.md?page=15) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/baseball-july-2009/501737.md?page=17)