# Batgirl movie put into the vault. Not to be released **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Tags:** movies\ **Created:** [August 2, 2022, 10:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/batgirl-movie-put-into-the-vault-not-to-be-released/968991 "2022-08-02T22:31:41Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2022, 8:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/batgirl-movie-put-into-the-vault-not-to-be-released/968991/141 "2022-08-06T20:58:03Z")
> [@kenobi\_65](#): > > It’s not profits, its ROI; if that stat is accurate, then it’s likely more a function of it having a budget that was a lot lower than most DC and MCU films. Avengers: Endgame, for example, had a budget of between $350 and $400 million Sure, but SHAZAM’s budget was _higher_ than $62.5m, and its gross was _lower_ than 17x of half of that. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2022, 8:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/batgirl-movie-put-into-the-vault-not-to-be-released/968991/142 "2022-08-06T20:58:06Z")
You have my vote! (or is that “You have my axe!”?) Look, Superman is a huge film draw and so is Batman, and just their names alone would guarantee “Batman vs Superman” would make some $$. > [@Dewey\_Finn](#): > > The lack of success of Warner with the DC Comics movies is a little weird, given that they own some of the biggest and most important comic book characters, like Batman, Superman, Wonder Woman, Aquaman, etc. It should be possible to make successful movies with those properties. The Films, were by-and-large. box office successes. Yes, DC fans are not happy with them, but they made plenty of moola. > [@Steve\_MB](#): > > They’ve been able to use the characters effectively in projects like the series of animated adaptations from _Batman: The Animated Series_ to _Justice League_,… Justice League and Justice League Unlimited are, in many ways, some of the best DC style superhero stuff ever released. > [@Dewey\_Finn](#): > > I think they should use the 1978 Superman movie as a template. That was a fun movie. The **Best Superhero Film ever** , with _The Incredibles_ and a couple of MCU films coming in there. > [@Odesio](#): > > Whereas I finished watching Man of Steel thinking Zack Snyder really hates Superman and didn’t care for the source material at all. And, you’d be right. > [@Acsenray](#): > > This reality show huckster is pissing me off. He and his cohort have already made Discovery Networks–once a decent source of interesting programming–into absolute garbage. And, _you’d_ be right. ---
**Author:** ![Charlie\_Tan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/charlie_tan/32/12582_2.png) [@Charlie\_Tan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Charlie_Tan)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2022, 8:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/batgirl-movie-put-into-the-vault-not-to-be-released/968991/143 "2022-08-06T20:59:31Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > The **Best Superhero Film ever** That would be Spider-Man into the SpiderVerse. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2022, 9:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/batgirl-movie-put-into-the-vault-not-to-be-released/968991/144 "2022-08-06T21:04:14Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > > [@Dewey\_Finn](#): > > > > The lack of success of Warner with the DC Comics movies is a little weird, given that they own some of the biggest and most important comic book characters, like Batman, Superman, Wonder Woman, Aquaman, etc. It should be possible to make successful movies with those properties. > > The Films, were by-and-large. box office successes. Yes, DC fans are not happy with them, but they made plenty of moola. That may be true, but Disney seems to have integrated things much better with the Marvel Cinematic Universe. It amazes me that they’ve been doing this for almost fifteen years, with a couple of dozen movies already released and a dozen more still to be. And then there are related TV shows (though I’ve never watched those). ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2022, 9:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/batgirl-movie-put-into-the-vault-not-to-be-released/968991/145 "2022-08-06T21:06:15Z")
I think I got that quote wrong, actually. Google screwed it up. > **[Box Office: If ‘Shazam!’ Was A Flop, Then So Was ‘Ant-Man,’ ‘The Wolverine’...](https://www.forbes.com/sites/scottmendelson/2020/06/01/box-office-shazam-harley-quinn-birds-of-prey-dc-films-aquaman-ant-man-wolverine-venom-deadpool-joker/?sh=607110a1a5de)** > > Not every comic book superhero movie needs to flirt with $1 billion worldwide in order to be a successful release. my bad. But it still had a very nice profit. It just kinda bombed in China. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2022, 10:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/batgirl-movie-put-into-the-vault-not-to-be-released/968991/146 "2022-08-06T22:41:31Z")
> [@Atamasama](#): > > quoted Wikipedia with that one. Doesn’t change my answer. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2022, 10:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/batgirl-movie-put-into-the-vault-not-to-be-released/968991/147 "2022-08-06T22:58:59Z")
And that’s fair. If you read [the article](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grimdark), it includes different perspectives of what the term means, so really we can both be “correct”. 🙂 It’s not fully objective. Of course, that also means that if people complain about the films being “grimdark”, it’s difficult to know exactly what they mean by that, and difficult to disagree. It’s as if a car is a blue-green shade, and you argue whether it’s blue or green. In the end you like them or you don’t. I don’t like most of them but I love some of them. (Wonder Woman, Aquaman, The Suicide Squad, and The Batman in particular.) ---
**Author:** ![Maserschmidt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/maserschmidt/32/18829_2.png) [@Maserschmidt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Maserschmidt)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2022, 12:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/batgirl-movie-put-into-the-vault-not-to-be-released/968991/148 "2022-08-07T00:13:35Z")
> [@Charlie\_Tan](#): > > That would be Spider-Man into the SpiderVerse. This is supportable. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2022, 12:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/batgirl-movie-put-into-the-vault-not-to-be-released/968991/149 "2022-08-07T00:35:30Z")
Any answer other than **The Incredibles** is suspect. ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2022, 12:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/batgirl-movie-put-into-the-vault-not-to-be-released/968991/150 "2022-08-07T00:49:36Z")
> [@Atamasama](#): > > Of course, that also means that if people complain about the films being “grimdark”, it’s difficult to know exactly what they mean by that, and difficult to disagree. …for me, grimdark means it starts with a setting that is particularly dystopian, amoral, and violent, and it ends with a setting that is particularly dystopian, amoral, and violent. If it ends on a hopeful note, if the world changes for the better, if the movie ends with the hero determined that things don’t need to be grim any more, I don’t think that’s grimdark. For an example of this: “The Mist” movie version for me is grimdark and in contrast “The Mist”, the original novella is the opposite. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2022, 12:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/batgirl-movie-put-into-the-vault-not-to-be-released/968991/151 "2022-08-07T00:52:37Z")
> [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > …for me, grimdark means it starts with a setting that is particularly dystopian, amoral, and violent, and it ends with a setting that is particularly dystopian, amoral, and violent. > > If it ends on a hopeful note, if the world changes for the better, if the movie ends with the hero determined that things don’t need to be grim any more, I don’t think that’s grimdark. How would you classify ROBOCOP? ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2022, 12:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/batgirl-movie-put-into-the-vault-not-to-be-released/968991/152 "2022-08-07T00:53:23Z")
> [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](#): > > How would you classify ROBOCOP? …dystopian, but not grimdark. ---
**Author:** ![Ike\_Witt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ike_witt/32/283_2.png) [@Ike\_Witt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ike_Witt)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2022, 12:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/batgirl-movie-put-into-the-vault-not-to-be-released/968991/153 "2022-08-07T00:53:43Z")
I have to agree. ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2022, 6:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/batgirl-movie-put-into-the-vault-not-to-be-released/968991/154 "2022-08-07T06:15:48Z")
> [@silenus](#): > > Any answer other than **The Incredibles** is suspect. Or at least it would have been until the brain-meltingly terrible second movie retroactively made the first one worse. ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2022, 1:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/batgirl-movie-put-into-the-vault-not-to-be-released/968991/155 "2022-08-07T13:40:09Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > My point was _I’m_ a paid subscriber, and I’m perfectly happy with Netflix spending my subscription money on a movie I’d like to see I’m glad you think so. Again, though, what matters to them is if they are altering the behaviour of their customers such that they make substantially more than 200 million additional dollars from having made the film. I’d be absolutely delighted if Netflix spent $200 million on high quality baseball documentaries, rebooting “High Stakes Poker,” and pumping out a new Beavis and Butt-Head movie every two months, but I suspect that would not be a good expenditure of their money as opposed to other options. > [@kenobi\_65](#): > > Marvel’s had a few misses (you mentioned Morbius; the Inhumans TV series would be another), but overall, they really are pretty danged consistent. “Consistency” is the most appropriate adjective one could possibly give Marvel, even if you count stinkers. Their movies all feel the same, whether you’re talking about the super good ones or the not so good ones. They are, in the modern parlance, a particular sort of “Content.” ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2022, 1:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/batgirl-movie-put-into-the-vault-not-to-be-released/968991/156 "2022-08-07T13:55:22Z")
> [@Cervaise](#): > > > [@silenus](#): > > > > Any answer other than **The Incredibles** is suspect. > > Or at least it would have been until the brain-meltingly terrible second movie retroactively made the first one worse. To be fair, the third and fourth Christopher Reeve Superman films were also pretty awful. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2022, 2:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/batgirl-movie-put-into-the-vault-not-to-be-released/968991/157 "2022-08-07T14:16:49Z")
> [@Dewey\_Finn](#): > > To be fair, the third and fourth Christopher Reeve Superman films were also pretty awful. I was 9 when the fourth one came out and when we left the theater, my Dad said, “That…was really bad.” We all agreed the special effects looked worst than the first movie. ---
**Author:** ![CaptMurdock](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/captmurdock/32/11736_2.png) [@CaptMurdock](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CaptMurdock)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2022, 7:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/batgirl-movie-put-into-the-vault-not-to-be-released/968991/158 "2022-08-08T19:26:49Z")
Wonder how long it will be before _Batgirl_ is bootlegged, like Corman’s execrable _Fantastic Four_? ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2022, 9:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/batgirl-movie-put-into-the-vault-not-to-be-released/968991/159 "2022-08-08T21:15:14Z")
> [@Dewey\_Finn](#): > > To be fair, the third and fourth Christopher Reeve Superman films were also pretty awful. The third was bad, or at least not as good. The fourth was hideous. It’s hard to follow General Zod though. Terrence Stamp made the second film a classic. I’m also now reminded of one of my old favorite web sites from many years ago. > **[KNEEL! You have reached GeneralZod.net](http://www.i-mockery.com/generalzod/)** > > Kneel and swear eternal loyalty to General Zod! You can tell it’s an old web site. I still love the article about [bumble bees](http://www.i-mockery.com/generalzod/bumble-bees.php). > It turns out that this bee was trying to lead your ruler into a trap. It arrived at some strange cone-like object and went inside it. I tapped this object while shouting “COWARD!” and immediately an army of these little bees came flying out at me. They all started flying at me and attempted to prick me with tiny needles. A smile grew on my face as they did everything they could to destroy me. But their trap had failed… failed miserably just like every one of you humans do on a daily basis. I’d love to see that kind of villain done again properly in a film. ---
**Author:** ![ekedolphin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ekedolphin/32/10003_2.png) [@ekedolphin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ekedolphin)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2022, 10:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/batgirl-movie-put-into-the-vault-not-to-be-released/968991/160 "2022-08-08T22:02:21Z")
Is it wrong that I want to see _Batgirl_ even more now? Actually, I didn’t know they were even working on this film. But I want to see Michael Keaton again as Batman, damn it. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/batgirl-movie-put-into-the-vault-not-to-be-released/968991.md?page=7)