# Batman v Superman Seen it. Open spoilers **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [March 26, 2016, 7:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/batman-v-superman-seen-it-open-spoilers/750269 "2016-03-26T19:49:31Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2016, 2:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/batman-v-superman-seen-it-open-spoilers/750269/61 "2016-03-29T02:07:11Z")
> [@DigitalC](#): > > So that WAS the cave troll from fellowship of the ring right? tell me I’m not crazy thinking they basically reused the same monster. That was exactly what I thought - I just keep forgetting to mention it. ---
**Author:** ![planetcory](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/planetcory/32/1032_2.png) [@planetcory](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/planetcory)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2016, 2:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/batman-v-superman-seen-it-open-spoilers/750269/62 "2016-03-29T02:17:42Z")
Warner Bros. [released a deleted scene](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-MUzvASr8s) online today. So that (sort of) answers the question of how Luthor knows about Darkseid. There’s a 3-hour version of the movie coming to home video that promises to flesh the story out some more. ---
**Author:** ![Richard\_John\_Marcej](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Richard\_John\_Marcej](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Richard_John_Marcej)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2016, 8:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/batman-v-superman-seen-it-open-spoilers/750269/63 "2016-03-29T20:19:43Z")
So I saw Batman vs. Superman today. A couple of things… • Batman’s not that good of a detective • Shouldn’t Wonder Woman, who’s an Amazon, be at least 6 ft. tall? • I didn’t realize the Joker & Lex Luthor were the same person • Superman has caused tons more destruction and deaths in the city of Metropolis than Godzilla has in Japan • Jeremy Irons is a good Alfred • This damn film is nearly as long as “Gone With The Wind” (and with more deaths) and finally, since I’m such a movie geek… • Actor Joe Morton is DANGEROUS around robotic machinery. First, he’s the creator of Skynet/ the Terminator in the Terminator films and here he’s the creator of Cyborg. Damn guy’s typecast. ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2016, 8:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/batman-v-superman-seen-it-open-spoilers/750269/64 "2016-03-29T20:49:05Z")
> [@planetcory](#): > > Warner Bros. [released a deleted scene](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-MUzvASr8s) online today. So that (sort of) answers the question of how Luthor knows about Darkseid. There’s a 3-hour version of the movie coming to home video that promises to flesh the story out some more. Somehow, that doesn’t really help - in fact, had they keopt it in, I would still be confused. This has to be one of the few SuperHero movies where all the callbacks seriously require strong knowledge of the DC 'verse - most of them just don’t work. And seriously, Clark/Kal - why the fuck did you leave the Genesis ship in downtown Metropolis? Couldn’t/shouldn’t you have cleaned that up a bit? > [@Richard\_John\_Marcej](#): > > • Actor Joe Morton is DANGEROUS around robotic machinery. First, he’s the creator of Skynet/ the Terminator in the Terminator films and here he’s the creator of Cyborg. Damn guy’s typecast. Well, he was Mayor of Eureka - so, you go with your strengths. ---
**Author:** ![Siam\_Sam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d78d45/32.png) [@Siam\_Sam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siam_Sam)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2016, 4:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/batman-v-superman-seen-it-open-spoilers/750269/65 "2016-03-30T04:39:35Z")
We saw it yesterday (Tuesday). All form and no substance. Very ho-hum. ---
**Author:** ![bienville](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/4bbf92/32.png) [@bienville](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bienville)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2016, 8:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/batman-v-superman-seen-it-open-spoilers/750269/66 "2016-03-30T08:23:58Z")
> [@Richard\_John\_Marcej](#): > > • Actor Joe Morton is DANGEROUS around robotic machinery. Well, he _is_ the brother from another planet. ---
**Author:** ![Gretchion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/8edcca/32.png) [@Gretchion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gretchion)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2016, 9:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/batman-v-superman-seen-it-open-spoilers/750269/67 "2016-03-30T09:19:18Z")
> [@magnusblitz](#): > > - The Batman/Superman fight is only resolved amicably because their mothers happen to share the same first name. What a silly thing for the fate of the world to turn on. Agreed. I felt like it was the scene from Step Brothers where they were talking about things they liked. I half expected one of them to ask if they just became best friends. Maybe the sequel will start with Bruce shoveling dirt into Clark’s grave, when Clark wakes up and asks what he’s doing, and Bruce says “I’m burying you!” ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2016, 2:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/batman-v-superman-seen-it-open-spoilers/750269/68 "2016-03-31T14:23:22Z")
> [@Dale\_Sams](#): > > I think making Luthor the quasi good guy or giving him a good point is attractive but writes him and Supes into a corner > [@Ike\_Witt](#): > > Luthor was the ultimate good guy at the end of the JLU series. He sacrificed himself to end the Darkseid threat. Well, ultimate quasi good guy anyway. He declared (while the other villains were arguing that the heroes ought to let them help in the fight because they wanted to defend Earth just as much as the heroes did) that his motivation was purely “revenge on Darkseid for taking Brainiac away” (Luthor had been merged with Brainiac for much of the main story arc, and wanted Brainiac inside him again-- whoda thunk that a turn-of-the-century mass-market cartoon could get away with that much homoerotic subtext?). ---
**Author:** ![YogSothoth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/8edcca/32.png) [@YogSothoth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/YogSothoth)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2016, 5:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/batman-v-superman-seen-it-open-spoilers/750269/69 "2016-04-01T05:18:30Z")
What was that weird bracelet-clanging shockwave WW did when she first appeared? I know about the lasso, the invisible jet, the bullet-deflecting bracelets, but I don’t know about a her creating a shockwave. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2016, 7:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/batman-v-superman-seen-it-open-spoilers/750269/70 "2016-04-03T07:05:24Z")
Saw it tonight, and managed to get my expectations down low enough that I rather enjoyed this really not very good movie. I agree with almost all of the criticisms here, particularly gun-crazy, murderin’ Batman. But one thing I haven’t seen mentioned before: why the hell was Bruce Wayne in Metropolis _as Bruce Wayne_? Why isn’t he there as Batman? He’s apparently been Batman for years at this point. And what was he planning to do, as Bruce Wayne, at the Wayne Industries building? Was he that old guy’s ride? Is that while he was still hanging out there, alone, after everyone else had evacuated? Also, why was the legless guy so pissed at Wayne? What the fuck did he expect Bruce Wayne to do about Superman? ---
**Author:** ![Horatio\_Hellpop](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/e5b9ba/32.png) [@Horatio\_Hellpop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatio_Hellpop)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2016, 11:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/batman-v-superman-seen-it-open-spoilers/750269/71 "2016-04-03T11:24:40Z")
Regarding the red-masked guy in the dream sequence: Maybe he’s the Flash, but he looked to me more like [Garrett Sanford, the silver-age Sandman](http://contraversao.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/Sandman-Kirby.jpg). Since it was in a dream and not explicitly time travel, I figure it’s this guy’s wheelhouse. ---
**Author:** ![Cubsfan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f4b2a3/32.png) [@Cubsfan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cubsfan)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2016, 1:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/batman-v-superman-seen-it-open-spoilers/750269/72 "2016-04-03T13:02:41Z")
Saw it last night with my son. Random comments: 1. Wonder Woman was actually really well done. I thought she would be cheesy but she was well realized. My only complaint is that they should have done some amount of background on her powers because my son thought she was from Krypton and didn’t understand the bracelets or lasso. 2. I had heard that the Ben Affleck Batman was the best part of the movie. I thought it was nothing special. The costume was well done but the action scenes were awful. Way to many cuts. It seemed like there was a cut every 1-2 punches. 3. Lex was awful. I can only blame Snyder for that. Jesse Eisenberg was probably doing exactly what was asked of him but the character was terrible. That character needs to be an older, smarter actor like Brian Cranston or something like that. This one seemed like Rain Man wants to kill Superman. 4. The Darkseid stuff was WAY too obscure and subtle for anyone to understand if they haven’t read DC comics. 5. They reused the Abomination model from The Incredible Hulk for Doomsday. All in all I’d give it a 4.5/10. Very long and boring. Tried to do too much set-up in one movie and it just made the whole story boring and hard to care about. The DC movie universe has no chance of catching up to the Marvel movie universe so they should just stop trying to pull an Avengers and just stick to individual character movies and keep them adult themed. ---
**Author:** ![KarlGrenze](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/dbc845/32.png) [@KarlGrenze](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KarlGrenze)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2016, 2:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/batman-v-superman-seen-it-open-spoilers/750269/73 "2016-04-03T14:15:12Z")
> [@planetcory](#): > > Warner Bros. [released a deleted scene](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-MUzvASr8s) online today. So that (sort of) answers the question of how Luthor knows about Darkseid. There’s a 3-hour version of the movie coming to home video that promises to flesh the story out some more. The scene doesn’t really clarify anything. I got hints that he kinda knew something and that the picture in the vault may be important (from the ending), but not much. I liked it, not as good as Deadpool, but OK. I rate it slightly higher than it should be for being the first of what I assume a series. So if you’re thinking of a first arc of a story, it was better than as a standalone. Since I didn’t see Man of Steel, I was a bit confuse about the damage Superman had done. Had he damaged most of Metropolis and/or destroyed Gotham City? One thing I found is that there were no signs of ongoing constructions visible, which would be expected if they are saying the attacks happened less than 2 years ago. I do wonder how the aftermath of the Capitol attack is going to go down. Will Lex Luther confess or will they find the ways to implicate him? Did anyone other than Superman survived in that room or building? Also, for being advanced, the Kriptonian spaceship has lousy security systems. ---
**Author:** ![Quimby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/22d042/32.png) [@Quimby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quimby)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2016, 2:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/batman-v-superman-seen-it-open-spoilers/750269/74 "2016-04-03T14:42:37Z")
I’m pretty sure the explosion and subsequent murder of almost everyone there was one of the reasons Lex was in prison in the end. ---
**Author:** ![Reepicheep](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ed655f/32.png) [@Reepicheep](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Reepicheep)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2016, 8:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/batman-v-superman-seen-it-open-spoilers/750269/75 "2016-04-03T20:16:11Z")
I saw it last night and enjoyed it. I’ll see it again before it leaves the theaters. Pros: Affleck does Bruce Wayne better than any of the other actors. The rage that fuels Batman is still there, but tempered with caring for normal people that comes with years of being the boss of Wayne Enterprises. Wonder Woman is fantastic. I enjoyed that she is not “Americanized” as she is sometimes drawn in the comics. The grin when she gets up in the middle of her fight with Doomsday is so on character. Cons Cavill’s Clark Kent is way to pushy. Clark has to be the antithesis of Superman’s forcefulness. He should not have pushed with Perry about the stories, but hung his head and acquiesced. Then talked to Lois about her doing the stories since he could not while keeping Clark far from Superman. Dreams, especially Bruce’s dream within a dream of Flash. For casual viewers the Omega as Darkseid’s symbol and the paradeamons were confusing and never explained. For that matter why is Bruce dreaming of Darkseid not Lex. Lex is the one who got all the Krytonian knowledge - he should be the one terrified that Darkseid will show up and corrupt Superman to his side. Superman as Christ images. As **Acsenray** pointed out Superman’s after death is a pieta. It is next to two crosses. The dirt falls up on Clark’s coffin so we know he will rise from the dead. ---
**Author:** ![Critical1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/3e96dc/32.png) [@Critical1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Critical1)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2016, 10:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/batman-v-superman-seen-it-open-spoilers/750269/76 "2016-04-03T22:04:11Z")
I am just glad I had something else to do while watching that festival of drek. ---
**Author:** ![Raygun99](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/6f9a4e/32.png) [@Raygun99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Raygun99)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2016, 10:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/batman-v-superman-seen-it-open-spoilers/750269/77 "2016-04-03T22:47:09Z")
I like how Perry decided just to assign a sports story to Clark out of the blue. Cause that’s what happens to reporters at major newspapers all the time. “Tomorrow, cover the society beat! Wednesday, you’re covering business!” I’m also amused that it’s yet another movie where it’s always The Day of the Dead in Mexico. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2016, 3:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/batman-v-superman-seen-it-open-spoilers/750269/78 "2016-04-04T03:24:05Z")
I’m surprised that nobody has mentioned the death of Jimmy Olsen, cub photographer and CIA operative… but then, nobody in the movie thought fit to discuss it either. 😛 Liked it, but had to leave with about 30 minutes to go because of daughter’s migraine. Will see it again, definitely when it comes out on video/streaming/whatever, and I like this iteration of the Superman character and the exploration of the effect of a Superman on human society. Sorry. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Ike\_Witt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ike_witt/32/283_2.png) [@Ike\_Witt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ike_Witt)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2016, 3:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/batman-v-superman-seen-it-open-spoilers/750269/79 "2016-04-04T03:47:29Z")
The big bad in the upcoming Suicide Squad movie has to be a minion of Darkseid, doesn’t it? ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2016, 3:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/batman-v-superman-seen-it-open-spoilers/750269/80 "2016-04-04T03:55:08Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > I’m surprised that nobody has mentioned the death of Jimmy Olsen, cub photographer and CIA operative… but then, nobody in the movie thought fit to discuss it either. 😛 I’m fairly certian that this was another touch that was not clear enough in the film itself - I kinda thought thats who it was - but was not sure enough to even comment at the time. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/batman-v-superman-seen-it-open-spoilers/750269.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/batman-v-superman-seen-it-open-spoilers/750269.md?page=5)