# "Batman V Superman: The Dawn of Justice" **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [May 21, 2014, 9:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/batman-v-superman-the-dawn-of-justice/688965 "2014-05-21T21:59:43Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Amateur\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/59ef9b/32.png) [@Amateur\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Amateur_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2014, 9:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/batman-v-superman-the-dawn-of-justice/688965/1 "2014-05-21T21:59:43Z")
…and that’s the official title, folks. Anyone left who wonders why Marvel won the race while DC was still trying to figure out which horse to ride? Wasn’t Batman V. Superman that guy in India? And wouldn’t “Batman V Superman do a V Formation with a skinny supermodel playing Wonder Woman: the Dawn of Threesomes” be so much better? ---
**Author:** ![randwill](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/a3d4f5/32.png) [@randwill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/randwill)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2014, 10:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/batman-v-superman-the-dawn-of-justice/688965/2 "2014-05-21T22:11:04Z")
It’s an okay title. It references the Justice League, I guess. So does Batman gain super powers or does Supes lose his? Otherwise, it’s a pretty one-sided fight. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2014, 10:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/batman-v-superman-the-dawn-of-justice/688965/3 "2014-05-21T22:13:50Z")
> [@randwill](#): > > So does Batman gain super powers or does Supes lose his? Otherwise, it’s a pretty one-sided fight. The traditional solution to this in comic books is to have Superman keep all of his abilities, but lose most of his IQ points. Occasionally to the point where Batman has to actively remind Superman about his superpowers. ---
**Author:** ![Amateur\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/59ef9b/32.png) [@Amateur\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Amateur_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2014, 10:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/batman-v-superman-the-dawn-of-justice/688965/4 "2014-05-21T22:14:44Z")
> [@randwill](#): > > It’s an okay title. It references the Justice League, I guess. It’s so overwrought and pretentious it sounds like a bad SNL parody. > [@](#): > > So does Batman gain super powers or does Supes lose his? Otherwise, it’s a pretty one-sided fight. You’ve read DKR and seen the one or two animated movies that pit them against each other? It can be done. As long as Ollie doesn’t fuck up. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2014, 10:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/batman-v-superman-the-dawn-of-justice/688965/5 "2014-05-21T22:24:38Z")
> [@randwill](#): > > So does Batman gain super powers or does Supes lose his? Otherwise, it’s a pretty one-sided fight. You know, Lex Luthor gives Superman a run for his money on a regular basis, and \*he \*doesn’t have super powers, either. How is Bruce Wayne any less of a threat? I just seems weird to me - everybody’s saying that an unpowered human being has no chance against Superman, when Superman’s \*nemesis \*is an unpowered human being. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2014, 10:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/batman-v-superman-the-dawn-of-justice/688965/6 "2014-05-21T22:26:22Z")
> [@randwill](#): > > So does Batman gain super powers or does Supes lose his? Otherwise, it’s a pretty one-sided fight. In fairness, if Bruce Wayne were less athletic, he’d be Lex Luthor. [Edited to add: ninja’d! As if by Batman!] ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2014, 10:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/batman-v-superman-the-dawn-of-justice/688965/7 "2014-05-21T22:31:18Z")
And on the other side of the coin, Batman has plenty of experience fighting people who are superhumanly [strong](http://widescreenwallpaperfree.com/wp-content/uploads/download_batman_bane_wallpaper.jpg), or [tough](http://soundandmotionmag.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/Screen-Shot-2013-01-24-at-9.11.16-AM.png), or… [whatever](http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/5/57746/2673858-clayface_by_edwarddelandreart_d4hqpy9.jpg), and winning. ---
**Author:** ![Amateur\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/59ef9b/32.png) [@Amateur\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Amateur_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2014, 11:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/batman-v-superman-the-dawn-of-justice/688965/8 "2014-05-21T23:11:20Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > And on the other side of the coin, Batman has plenty of experience fighting people who are superhumanly [strong](http://widescreenwallpaperfree.com/wp-content/uploads/download_batman_bane_wallpaper.jpg), or [tough](http://soundandmotionmag.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/Screen-Shot-2013-01-24-at-9.11.16-AM.png), or… [whatever](http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/5/57746/2673858-clayface_by_edwarddelandreart_d4hqpy9.jpg), and winning. What a croc. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2014, 11:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/batman-v-superman-the-dawn-of-justice/688965/9 "2014-05-21T23:33:08Z")
> [@Amateur\_Barbarian](#): > > What a croc. Keep that up, and I might bane you. ---
**Author:** ![Bone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bone/32/407_2.png) [@Bone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bone)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2014, 11:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/batman-v-superman-the-dawn-of-justice/688965/10 "2014-05-21T23:43:09Z")
Justice League: War had some extended fighting between Batman and Superman and I was very entertained. ---
**Author:** ![Exapno\_Mapcase](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/exapno_mapcase/32/1051_2.png) [@Exapno\_Mapcase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Exapno_Mapcase)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2014, 11:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/batman-v-superman-the-dawn-of-justice/688965/11 "2014-05-21T23:59:50Z")
I think there’s a typo in the title. Shouldn’t it be “Batman V Superman VI: Superman Wins!” ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Q](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/898d66/32.png) [@Johnny\_Q](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Q)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2014, 12:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/batman-v-superman-the-dawn-of-justice/688965/12 "2014-05-22T00:11:01Z")
In the case of Batman V Superman, keep in mind that Bruce has the better lawyers. Super strength doesn’t count for much against a properly constructed legal brief. ---
**Author:** ![Amateur\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/59ef9b/32.png) [@Amateur\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Amateur_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2014, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/batman-v-superman-the-dawn-of-justice/688965/13 "2014-05-22T00:25:43Z")
Actually, it occurs to me that Batman, Superman and V would make a helluva combo. THREE caped crusaders in one film! Plus the babe! ---
**Author:** ![Amateur\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/59ef9b/32.png) [@Amateur\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Amateur_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2014, 12:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/batman-v-superman-the-dawn-of-justice/688965/14 "2014-05-22T00:28:30Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > Keep that up, and I might bane you. Huh. One little attempt at humor and you go strange on us. ---
**Author:** ![planetcory](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/planetcory/32/1032_2.png) [@planetcory](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/planetcory)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2014, 12:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/batman-v-superman-the-dawn-of-justice/688965/15 "2014-05-22T00:36:36Z")
Meh. It doesn’t add to or detract from my interest in the movie. Kinda cheesy. Would’ve preferred World’s Finest. But I enjoyed Man of Steel very much and hope to enjoy this too. Batman getting top billing suggests to me that they’ve probably given up faith in Supes as a franchise, though. I guess 7 - 800 million is considered a disappointment for superheroes now. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2014, 12:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/batman-v-superman-the-dawn-of-justice/688965/16 "2014-05-22T00:39:15Z")
> [@Amateur\_Barbarian](#): > > Huh. One little attempt at humor and you go strange on us. Oh, hush. ---
**Author:** ![Quimby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/22d042/32.png) [@Quimby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quimby)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2014, 1:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/batman-v-superman-the-dawn-of-justice/688965/17 "2014-05-22T01:02:16Z")
Superman gets second billing in his own sequel. DC seems to hate their own characters that aren’t Batman. ---
**Author:** ![Amateur\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/59ef9b/32.png) [@Amateur\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Amateur_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2014, 1:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/batman-v-superman-the-dawn-of-justice/688965/18 "2014-05-22T01:05:25Z")
> [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](#): > > Oh, hush. Don’t defend him. I’m tired of mods that think they’re Grodd. ---
**Author:** ![planetcory](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/planetcory/32/1032_2.png) [@planetcory](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/planetcory)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2014, 1:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/batman-v-superman-the-dawn-of-justice/688965/19 "2014-05-22T01:46:38Z")
> [@Quimby](#): > > Superman gets second billing in his own sequel. DC seems to hate their own characters that aren’t Batman. I don’t know about hate. I think it’s more like that person who puts ketchup on everything. DC thinks everything’s better with Batman in it. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2014, 1:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/batman-v-superman-the-dawn-of-justice/688965/20 "2014-05-22T01:51:28Z")
> [@Amateur\_Barbarian](#): > > Don’t defend him. I’m tired of mods that think they’re Grodd. Hey, don’t tut-tut me. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/batman-v-superman-the-dawn-of-justice/688965.md?page=2)