# "Batman V Superman: The Dawn of Justice" **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [May 21, 2014, 9:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/batman-v-superman-the-dawn-of-justice/688965 "2014-05-21T21:59:43Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 18\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![magnusblitz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b4bc9f/32.png) [@magnusblitz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magnusblitz)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2014, 10:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/batman-v-superman-the-dawn-of-justice/688965/61 "2014-05-22T22:33:21Z")
> [@Blaster\_Master](#): > > Yes, the suits gave them the strength. They were using breathers in the suits and it was shown that, while on the ship in the Kyptonian atmospherics, Superman lost his power. I think that was part of why they didn’t really see the point of sharing the planet because they essentially already had the same super powers without having to suffer from adapting to Earth’s atmosphere. Well sure, but the fact that they lost their extra strength when on the ship doesn’t mean that their strength on Earth came from the suits. I don’t recall them doing anything super-strong while on the ship? An as for the Iron Man thing, I think you’re right - if they just use a suit as a “gives him the strength to go toe to toe with Supes” in the final act, that’d make sense and wouldn’t feel strange. I was originally thinking the suit would be the entirety of his Batman-ness (since he’s being rebooted for this movie), which would feel strange. ---
**Author:** ![G0sp3l](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/c68b51/32.png) [@G0sp3l](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/G0sp3l)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2014, 10:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/batman-v-superman-the-dawn-of-justice/688965/62 "2014-05-22T22:34:13Z")
> [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](#): > > Time to end the charade. What are you? A Spoiler? ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2014, 10:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/batman-v-superman-the-dawn-of-justice/688965/63 "2014-05-22T22:38:58Z")
> [@G0sp3l](#): > > What are you? A Spoiler? Hey, no, that’s not – it’s just a _facade_, I tell ya. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2014, 10:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/batman-v-superman-the-dawn-of-justice/688965/64 "2014-05-22T22:41:35Z")
As for _Justice League: War_ [spoiler]Batman and Superman have not yet met though Batman has “researched” Superman. When they meet, Superman essentially toys with Batman (and Green Lantern / Hal Jordan) while shrugging off various Bat-toys. Green Lantern momentarily gets the upper hand, which Superman thinks is “funny” before he starts bouncing them around the city. The only thing that stops Superman from smushing Batman is Batman addressing him as “Clark”, which calms him enough to admit that they should talk. Later on, a partially-brainwashed Superman attacks Batman, who can at best dodge until Superman recovers.[/spoiler] ---
**Author:** ![Alan\_Smithee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/2acd7d/32.png) [@Alan\_Smithee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alan_Smithee)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2014, 11:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/batman-v-superman-the-dawn-of-justice/688965/65 "2014-05-22T23:37:16Z")
> [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](#): > > The one everybody’s dancing around here didn’t really happen in-continuity – it’s set maybe Ten Years From Now, for a floating value of ‘Now’ – and has Bruce (a) knowing that Clark will x-ray the area for kryptonite, and (b) showing up clad in power armor that’s plugged into the city’s power grid and bristling with nifty weapons. > > It’s enough to make the fight interesting – even irritating – for Superman, who takes longer than he should to rip the armor apart while trying to reason with the guy. And that’s when Green Arrow fires, well, a _green arrow_ at the big guy, and cue the synthetic kryptonite coming into play. > > Batman then starts overpowering Superman, at which point things get weird. This also takes place, IIRC, just after Superman was hit by a nuke. He more or less shrugs the nuke off, but it’s clear he’s weakened when he takes on Batman. ---
**Author:** ![Dale\_Sams](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/779978/32.png) [@Dale\_Sams](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dale_Sams)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2014, 12:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/batman-v-superman-the-dawn-of-justice/688965/66 "2014-05-23T00:03:30Z")
> [@Alan\_Smithee](#): > > This also takes place, IIRC, just after Superman was hit by a nuke. He more or less shrugs the nuke off, but it’s clear he’s weakened when he takes on Batman. Nitpick. That nuke knocked the \*\*\*\* out of him. Took place in the same time frame (Our time frame not Supes) where he was Byrne Depowered. It took a massive effort for him to turn aside one nuke, and then the detonation from a ways out…artistically…turned him into a withered man. Whereas Silver Age Supes can stand in the middle of the sun and throw a million nukes into another galaxy without breaking a sweat. ---
**Author:** ![Ashley\_Pomeroy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c68b51/32.png) [@Ashley\_Pomeroy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ashley_Pomeroy)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2014, 7:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/batman-v-superman-the-dawn-of-justice/688965/67 "2014-05-23T19:41:48Z")
> [@Blaster\_Master](#): > > I’d love to have seen the film calmed “World’s Finest”, and it would give all the comic nerds stiffies, but that means absolutely nothing to the general movie-going audience It’s worth pointing out that _The Avengers_ meant nothing to the general audience - and in the UK it was an old British TV series with Diana Rigg - and I imagine that a large chunk of the audience for _Thor_ assumed that he was a mythological hero along the lines of Hercules… I mean, yes, he _was_ a mythological hero, but you see what I mean. And who was Indiana Jones before _Raiders_? What was _Star Wars_ before 1977? In summary, I am unconvinced that the studio called the film _Batman V Superman_ because they were worried that the audience would not flock to see it. “World’s Finest” would be a great title but I surmise it’s doesn’t say anything about the story. Hey, I have _The Dark Knight Returns_ literally right next to my PC. Now it’s sitting on my lap. I’m going to move it to my hands and see how Superman and Batman get on. Wish me luck! (long pause) You know, I was never all that keen on _Watchmen_. It’s gripping and clever but it seemed to slowly fizzle out, and the rigid panels and art style seemed at odds with the tone. _Dark Knight_ still looks mighty fine, despite being (counts) almost thirty years old. Batman knows that Superman was hurt by the nuke - “I want to see how much of you survived that nuclear explosion. [You’d] have to be at full speed to dodge [the rockets I have fired at you]”, and in the next panel we learn that Superman takes longer than expected to knock out the missiles. Robin then hits Superman with the Bat-Tank, and almost hits him with a catapult (there’s an implication that she doesn’t go ahead with it). Batman then shoots Superman with a sonic cannon - that gives him a nosebleed - and I’d forgotten that it took place on _the same street_ where Bruce Wayne’s parents (spoiler) caught the monkey in the old one-two (/spoiler). “They showed me that the world only makes sense when you force it to”. Er, yes, without wishing to spoil it Batman sort-of beats Superman, although it’s a pyrrhic victory… or is it? For just (checks the back) £10.99 you can find out! Or just go to a bookshop and flick to page… there aren’t any numbers. The page where Batman is kicking Superman in the chin. It was £10.99 when I bought it. It’s £12.99 now. ---
**Author:** ![Dendarii\_Dame](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/bbce88/32.png) [@Dendarii\_Dame](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dendarii_Dame)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2014, 8:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/batman-v-superman-the-dawn-of-justice/688965/68 "2014-05-23T20:23:45Z")
On @badbanana, Tom Siedell said that he hoped Batman vs. Superman would be a courtroom drama. ---
**Author:** ![Intergalactic\_Gladiator](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/intergalactic_gladiator/32/112_2.png) [@Intergalactic\_Gladiator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Intergalactic_Gladiator)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2014, 8:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/batman-v-superman-the-dawn-of-justice/688965/69 "2014-05-23T20:41:59Z")
> [@Ashley\_Pomeroy](#): > > In summary, I am unconvinced that the studio called the film _Batman V Superman_ because they were worried that the audience would not flock to see it. “World’s Finest” would be a great title but I surmise it’s doesn’t say anything about the story. To add to that, they could easily make sure movie goers know who the World’s Finest is by making it a part of the marketing campaign. Just as with the Avengers, many of the trailers included Stark’s speech about how they’re damn well going to avenge the world. A trailer could certainly include the lines World’s Finest while showing images of Superman and Batman. Then again, this is all coming from a guy who not only thinks that a Martian superhero is too big of a stretch and wants to make him and angry green monster grown in a petri dish but also thinks that all comic book readers are undersexed nerds living in their mom’s basement. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2014, 8:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/batman-v-superman-the-dawn-of-justice/688965/70 "2014-05-23T20:49:03Z")
As far as I’m concerned, _World’s Finest_ (or possibly a variation like _Batman & Superman: World’s Finest_) was the only possible title. “Dawn of Justice”… blech. I’m sure I’ll see it, but I already have misgivings. ---
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2014, 8:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/batman-v-superman-the-dawn-of-justice/688965/71 "2014-05-23T20:49:15Z")
Batman v Superman might roll of the tongue better, but might it not also be that Ben Affleck demanded more prominent placement? ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2014, 8:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/batman-v-superman-the-dawn-of-justice/688965/72 "2014-05-23T20:53:57Z")
The whole “v” thing is stupid anyway. The characters will have a brief inconclusive scuffle, and then face the common foe. It’s so predictable, I’m vaguely offended they’re wasting screen time on it. ---
**Author:** ![Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skald_the_Rhymer)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2014, 9:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/batman-v-superman-the-dawn-of-justice/688965/73 "2014-05-23T21:19:16Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > And on the other side of the coin, Batman has plenty of experience fighting people who are superhumanly [strong](http://widescreenwallpaperfree.com/wp-content/uploads/download_batman_bane_wallpaper.jpg), or [tough](http://soundandmotionmag.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/Screen-Shot-2013-01-24-at-9.11.16-AM.png), or… [whatever](http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/5/57746/2673858-clayface_by_edwarddelandreart_d4hqpy9.jpg), and winning. Bane & Killer Croc are nowhere near Superman’s strength class. I doubt he could distinguish between a blow from either of them and Batman–or, for that matter, a punch from any of the three and an attack from an enraged butterfly. I’ll grant that, given a great deal of time to prepare, Batman could come up with a weapon that would give Superman trouble, just as Luthor does. I will not grant that any spontaneous fight between Batman and Superman lasts longer than five seconds, four of which Superman spends deciding how he can disable Batman without killing him. ---
**Author:** ![tripthicket](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tripthicket/32/297_2.png) [@tripthicket](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tripthicket)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2014, 12:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/batman-v-superman-the-dawn-of-justice/688965/74 "2014-05-24T00:19:32Z")
> [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](#): > > …enraged butterfly. And now I must steal this name to use for one of my vigilante-style heroes in the upcoming _City ofTitans_. I’m seeing a butterfly princess with wings, a pretty but angry face, and twin assault rifles that never run dry. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2014, 12:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/batman-v-superman-the-dawn-of-justice/688965/75 "2014-05-24T00:33:32Z")
> [@tripthicket](#): > > > [@](#): > > > > …enraged butterfly. > > And now I must steal this name to use for one of my vigilante-style heroes in the upcoming _City ofTitans_. I’m seeing a butterfly princess with wings, a pretty but angry face _“Float like a bee, sting like a butterfly”_ sounds like Joe Frazier is about to cripple you. ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2014, 1:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/batman-v-superman-the-dawn-of-justice/688965/76 "2014-05-24T01:25:02Z")
> [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](#): > > _“Float like a bee, sting like a butterfly”_ sounds like Joe Frazier is about to cripple you. and when caught by the evild doer - it simply must scream — “not in the face - not in the face!” ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2014, 4:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/batman-v-superman-the-dawn-of-justice/688965/77 "2014-05-24T16:11:21Z")
> [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](#): > > Bane & Killer Croc are nowhere near Superman’s strength class. I doubt he could distinguish between a blow from either of them and Batman–or, for that matter, a punch from any of the three and an attack from an enraged butterfly. Sure, but I’m not talking about them versus Superman, it’s them versus Batman, and any one of the three is more than strong enough to put a fist through someone’s sternum. Superman is the strongest of the lot, but against a normal human, the distinction between his strength and Killer Croc is pretty academic. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2014, 12:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/batman-v-superman-the-dawn-of-justice/688965/78 "2014-05-27T00:46:45Z")
Well, there may be a worthwhile distinction between someone who can kill you with one punch and someone who can crush you under the building he just knocked down with one punch. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/batman-v-superman-the-dawn-of-justice/688965.md?page=3)