# Battle of the off brand Supermen - Majestic vs Supreme vs Gladiator vs Vartox **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [January 2, 2009, 4:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battle-of-the-off-brand-supermen-majestic-vs-supreme-vs-gladiator-vs-vartox/479559 "2009-01-02T04:50:05Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![astro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9dc877/32.png) [@astro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/astro)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2009, 4:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battle-of-the-off-brand-supermen-majestic-vs-supreme-vs-gladiator-vs-vartox/479559/1 "2009-01-02T04:50:05Z")
[Majestic](http://www.comicvine.com/mr-majestic/29-21972/) vs [Supreme](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supreme_(comics)) vs [Gladiator](http://www.marvel.com/universe/Gladiator_(Kallark)) vs [Vartox](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vartox) who wins? ---
**Author:** ![Tamerlane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tamerlane/32/7602_2.png) [@Tamerlane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tamerlane)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2009, 5:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battle-of-the-off-brand-supermen-majestic-vs-supreme-vs-gladiator-vs-vartox/479559/2 "2009-01-02T05:07:36Z")
You forgot [Hyperion](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperion_(Squadron_Supreme)) :). ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2009, 5:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battle-of-the-off-brand-supermen-majestic-vs-supreme-vs-gladiator-vs-vartox/479559/3 "2009-01-02T05:17:54Z")
Captain Marvel, too. ---
**Author:** ![Grumman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/43a26b/32.png) [@Grumman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grumman)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2009, 5:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battle-of-the-off-brand-supermen-majestic-vs-supreme-vs-gladiator-vs-vartox/479559/4 "2009-01-02T05:20:34Z")
> [@Tamerlane](#): > > You forgot [Hyperion](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperion_(Squadron_Supreme)) :). That’s _Hyperions_. There’s also Astro City’s [Samaritan](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samaritan_(comics)). ---
**Author:** ![Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skald_the_Rhymer)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2009, 5:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battle-of-the-off-brand-supermen-majestic-vs-supreme-vs-gladiator-vs-vartox/479559/5 "2009-01-02T05:36:11Z")
> [@astro](#): > > [Majestic](http://www.comicvine.com/mr-majestic/29-21972/) > > vs > > [Supreme](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supreme_(comics)) > > vs > > [Gladiator](http://www.marvel.com/universe/Gladiator_(Kallark)) > > vs > > [Vartox](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vartox) > > who wins? Let’s see…Vartox is by far the most powerful, but he is also an idiot. Nah, I’ll still give it to Var. Even given his stupidity, even the pre-Crisis superman never beat him outright. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2009, 5:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battle-of-the-off-brand-supermen-majestic-vs-supreme-vs-gladiator-vs-vartox/479559/6 "2009-01-02T05:40:38Z")
I’d add in [Astonishman](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_End_League), [Atlas](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PS238) and the [Sentry](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sentry_(Robert_Reynolds)). On the evil side, there’s [Ultraman](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultraman_(comics)). ---
**Author:** ![CaptMurdock](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/captmurdock/32/11736_2.png) [@CaptMurdock](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CaptMurdock)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2009, 10:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battle-of-the-off-brand-supermen-majestic-vs-supreme-vs-gladiator-vs-vartox/479559/7 "2009-01-02T10:00:17Z")
> [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](#): > > Let’s see…Vartox is by far the most powerful, but he is also an idiot. > > Nah, I’ll still give it to Var. Even given his stupidity, even the pre-Crisis superman never beat him outright. Speaking of incredibly powerful and incredibly stupid – [Captain Everything from the graphic novel _normalman._](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Normalman) ---
**Author:** ![lawoot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/35a633/32.png) [@lawoot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lawoot)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2009, 12:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battle-of-the-off-brand-supermen-majestic-vs-supreme-vs-gladiator-vs-vartox/479559/8 "2009-01-02T12:11:01Z")
Since we’re apparently still adding contenders for the title, how about [Omni-Man](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omni-Man) and his son [Invincible](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Invincible_(comics)) from Image’s _Invincible_? Or perhaps [Apollo](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollo_(comics)) from _The Authority_? ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2009, 2:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battle-of-the-off-brand-supermen-majestic-vs-supreme-vs-gladiator-vs-vartox/479559/9 "2009-01-02T14:50:55Z")
Don’t forget [Mon-El](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lar_Gand) (aka Valor). ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2009, 7:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battle-of-the-off-brand-supermen-majestic-vs-supreme-vs-gladiator-vs-vartox/479559/10 "2009-01-02T19:03:10Z")
And there’s CoreFire from [Soon I Will Be Invincible](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soon_I_Will_Be_Invincible#Other_Heroes). ---
**Author:** ![foolsguinea](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foolsguinea/32/14751_2.png) [@foolsguinea](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/foolsguinea)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2009, 11:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battle-of-the-off-brand-supermen-majestic-vs-supreme-vs-gladiator-vs-vartox/479559/11 "2009-01-02T23:03:59Z")
I don’t care much so long as Gladiator gets pasted. (Marvel has a lot of fun with ersatz Supermen: besides Gladiator of the stupid OMAC hair, they have the Sentry–who _is_ Superman, kinda–& Ultragirl the Kree messiah) ---
**Author:** ![Lochdale](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/edb3f5/32.png) [@Lochdale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lochdale)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2009, 2:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battle-of-the-off-brand-supermen-majestic-vs-supreme-vs-gladiator-vs-vartox/479559/12 "2009-01-03T02:27:44Z")
Gladiator is significantly faster than anyone of them. He speedblitzes all of them for the win. Sorry Foolsguinea but if we are going just by feats and powersets then Gladiator in a massive curbstomp. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2009, 3:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battle-of-the-off-brand-supermen-majestic-vs-supreme-vs-gladiator-vs-vartox/479559/13 "2009-01-03T03:32:11Z")
It was only a one-shot, but there’s the Saint from _[The Pro](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Pro_(comics))_. ---
**Author:** ![Beware\_of\_Doug](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/278dde/32.png) [@Beware\_of\_Doug](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beware_of_Doug)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2009, 4:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battle-of-the-off-brand-supermen-majestic-vs-supreme-vs-gladiator-vs-vartox/479559/14 "2009-01-03T04:41:18Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > Captain Marvel, too. Captain Marvel was _not_ off-brand! He was “alternative.” Sometimes he was a lot more fun. ---
**Author:** ![Beware\_of\_Doug](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/278dde/32.png) [@Beware\_of\_Doug](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beware_of_Doug)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2009, 4:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battle-of-the-off-brand-supermen-majestic-vs-supreme-vs-gladiator-vs-vartox/479559/15 "2009-01-03T04:52:22Z")
(OK, the _Marvel_ Captain Marvel was kinda low-rent.) ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2009, 5:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battle-of-the-off-brand-supermen-majestic-vs-supreme-vs-gladiator-vs-vartox/479559/16 "2009-01-03T05:24:32Z")
> [@Beware\_of\_Doug](#): > > (OK, the _Marvel_ Captain Marvel was kinda low-rent.) Captain Mar-Vell, actually. ---
**Author:** ![Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skald_the_Rhymer)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2009, 7:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battle-of-the-off-brand-supermen-majestic-vs-supreme-vs-gladiator-vs-vartox/479559/17 "2009-01-03T19:27:50Z")
> [@Lochdale](#): > > Gladiator is significantly faster than anyone of them. He speedblitzes all of them for the win. > > Sorry Foolsguinea but if we are going just by feats and powersets then Gladiator in a massive curbstomp. Gladiator is not significantly faster than pre-Crisis Vartox, who regularly made INTERGALACTIC commutes just to hook up with cute redheads. If the DC, pre-Crisis Captain Marvel’s in the mix, though, and he’s fighting in the Earth-S universe, he owns the lot of them. ---
**Author:** ![Surbey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/4491bb/32.png) [@Surbey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Surbey)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2009, 8:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battle-of-the-off-brand-supermen-majestic-vs-supreme-vs-gladiator-vs-vartox/479559/18 "2009-01-03T20:00:25Z")
I think we need to throw in [Artie, the strongest man in the world.](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artie,_the_Strongest_Man_in_the_World) I mean, the dude fought an ocean. No small feat by any means. ---
**Author:** ![Lochdale](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/edb3f5/32.png) [@Lochdale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lochdale)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2009, 11:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battle-of-the-off-brand-supermen-majestic-vs-supreme-vs-gladiator-vs-vartox/479559/19 "2009-01-03T23:09:57Z")
> [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](#): > > Gladiator is not significantly faster than pre-Crisis Vartox, who regularly made INTERGALACTIC commutes just to hook up with cute redheads. > > If the DC, pre-Crisis Captain Marvel’s in the mix, though, and he’s fighting in the Earth-S universe, he owns the lot of them. No he really is a lot faster. He moves so fast that he can actually move through time. At one point, he casually interacts with Reed Richards (not flying mind you) when Richards was wearing a belt that allowed him to avoid the effects of a time dialation bubble whose affect meant that one second was the equivilent of several weeks. I’m awarer of Vartox and Gladiator is faster. He’s also faster than even PC Captain Marvel. Gladiator speedblitz for the win. ---
**Author:** ![E-Sabbath](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/e19adc/32.png) [@E-Sabbath](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/E-Sabbath)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2009, 2:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battle-of-the-off-brand-supermen-majestic-vs-supreme-vs-gladiator-vs-vartox/479559/20 "2009-01-04T02:18:47Z")
Alan Moore era Supreme takes Gladiator. We’re talking the last stories of the real Silver Age Superman, here. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battle-of-the-off-brand-supermen-majestic-vs-supreme-vs-gladiator-vs-vartox/479559.md?page=2)