# Battlestar Galactica 1.13 — "Kobol's Last Gleaming (2)" (passion of the Spoilers) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [April 1, 2005, 11:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-1-13-kobols-last-gleaming-2-passion-of-the-spoilers/297324 "2005-04-01T23:34:30Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2005, 5:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-1-13-kobols-last-gleaming-2-passion-of-the-spoilers/297324/21 "2005-04-02T05:06:49Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > So the Cylons let their base star get whacked so that BoomerBot could get close to Adama with a firearm? Did they take out Adama because he doesn’t believe in the quest for Earth? That gives creedence to those Dopers who believe the Cylons are using the humans to find Earth for whatever nefarious reasons. How do the Cylons “program” Boomerbot? Do they have to be in close contact as they were in the base star? Does she have a chip as Balthar might? The two Sixes on Capricia were looking at each other and apparently communicating. Maybe there is a Cylon wireless modem thingie. ---
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2005, 5:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-1-13-kobols-last-gleaming-2-passion-of-the-spoilers/297324/22 "2005-04-02T05:20:14Z")
“Launch the nuke, and prepare to jump.” “The bomb release is jammed, I can’t free it!” I _did_ see that coming. Nekkid Boomerz! Lots of nekked Boomerz! ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2005, 5:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-1-13-kobols-last-gleaming-2-passion-of-the-spoilers/297324/23 "2005-04-02T05:44:05Z")
Hey, wait a minute! The “Arrow of Apollo” is just a frakin’ **arrow!** In a frakin’ **statue!** How is that supposed to help them find Earth? Maybe there’s some receptacle in some ruin on Kobol where they can insert it to find Earth – like, there’s a starchart carved into a wall and the arrow, when inserted in the right place, points to Earth’s location – but still, why did Starbuck need to go to Caprica and get it? Wouldn’t a copy, made to the same dimensions based on a photo out of an art book, serve just as well? ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2005, 5:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-1-13-kobols-last-gleaming-2-passion-of-the-spoilers/297324/24 "2005-04-02T05:46:43Z")
When Baltar, lying injured on the ground, gets up and takes a walk with Number Six, is he actually walking, or just hallucinating? ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2005, 5:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-1-13-kobols-last-gleaming-2-passion-of-the-spoilers/297324/25 "2005-04-02T05:52:32Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > Did they take out Adama because he doesn’t believe in the quest for Earth? > That gives creedence to those Dopers who believe the Cylons are using the humans to find Earth for whatever nefarious reasons. Only the president, Starbuck and a few others know Adama was lying when he claimed to know Earth’s location. Killing him off relieves him of having to come clean publicly, while keeping the whole ruse alive – now most of the Fleet think he took the secret with him, but there’s still a chance of finding it from other sources (the Arrow of Apollo, whatever). That’s assuming Adama **is** dead. Had he lived – he was clearly opposed to Roslin’s scheme for finding Earth, so eliminating him eliminates an obstacle to the Cylons’ (hypothetical) plot to let the humans find Earth and lead the Cylons there. > [@carnivorousplant](#): > > How do the Cylons “program” Boomerbot? Do they have to be in close contact as they were in the base star? Does she have a chip as Balthar might? > The two Sixes on Capricia were looking at each other and apparently communicating. Maybe there is a Cylon wireless modem thingie. When Boomer gets off her Viper in the landing bay of the Cylon basestar, she hears a voice in her head (gotta be in her head, she still has her helmet on) calling “Sharon!” So they do have some form of wireless communication, effective range as yet unspecified. ---
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2005, 5:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-1-13-kobols-last-gleaming-2-passion-of-the-spoilers/297324/26 "2005-04-02T05:54:46Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > Hey, wait a minute! The “Arrow of Apollo” is just a frakin’ **arrow!** In a frakin’ **statue!** How is that supposed to help them find Earth? Maybe there’s some receptacle in some ruin on Kobol where they can insert it to find Earth – like, there’s a starchart carved into a wall and the arrow, when inserted in the right place, points to Earth’s location – but still, why did Starbuck need to go to Caprica and get it? Wouldn’t a copy, made to the same dimensions based on a photo out of an art book, serve just as well? No, no, no. It’s an “adult” show. “Apollo” is going to stick his “arrow” in “Starbuck” and “show the way” to Earth. Don’t you get it?? And there are two chicks fighting over it! And the hilarious thing is, Apollo is gay! And under arrest… and… oh someone shut me up! ---
**Author:** ![Nurobath](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/a88e57/32.png) [@Nurobath](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nurobath)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2005, 7:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-1-13-kobols-last-gleaming-2-passion-of-the-spoilers/297324/27 "2005-04-02T07:13:30Z")
That was…wow, that was great. I’ve never had a TV show make my jaw hit the floor and stay there like the ending of this show did. I kept thinking…they can’t kill the head guy…he’s the head guy, she just shot him…twice…holy shit…what the hell just happened there? Four months you say? Ack! I can’t wait. I also can’t wait for them to release the first season on DVD so I can watch it all over again. ---
**Author:** ![Brutus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@Brutus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Brutus)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2005, 7:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-1-13-kobols-last-gleaming-2-passion-of-the-spoilers/297324/28 "2005-04-02T07:14:32Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > Hey, wait a minute! The “Arrow of Apollo” is just a frakin’ **arrow!** In a frakin’ **statue!** How is that supposed to help them find Earth? Maybe there’s some receptacle in some ruin on Kobol where they can insert it to find Earth – like, there’s a starchart carved into a wall and the arrow, when inserted in the right place, points to Earth’s location – but still, why did Starbuck need to go to Caprica and get it? Wouldn’t a copy, made to the same dimensions based on a photo out of an art book, serve just as well? I hereby impart you with ‘Suspension of Disbelief’. Go forth, and let minor plot goofiness bother you no more! Besides, I would guess that if they found a starchart with a planet marked ‘Kobol’, and a arrow-shaped indentation leading to a mysterious unmarked planet, they would probably snigger, ‘The Lords of Kobol sure were simpletons’, and been off on their merry way. 😉 Great episode, by the way. Exciting! Action-packed! It finally explains: Jack. Shit. Two hours to explain just about nothing, and what little they do hint at or mention will be forgotten by the time season 2 rolls around. As always, I love the show, but the cliffhanger season-finale schtick is not nearly as captivating as writers seem to think. So say we all! Or at least Brutus says so… ---
**Author:** ![Aguecheek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a9adbd/32.png) [@Aguecheek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aguecheek)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2005, 7:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-1-13-kobols-last-gleaming-2-passion-of-the-spoilers/297324/29 "2005-04-02T07:15:31Z")
Whoa. I yelled and had my hand over my mouth for the last five minutes of the show. Holy moly. One huge thing I’m worried about, however. My wife loves this show. This is the first SciFi in which she’s ever been even remotely interested. Specifically, she loves Cmdr. Adama. If he dies, she’s promised to never watch again. Live, damn you! _Llliiiivvve!_ ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2005, 7:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-1-13-kobols-last-gleaming-2-passion-of-the-spoilers/297324/30 "2005-04-02T07:15:43Z")
What they said. Freaking intense! But what I want on the first season DVD is better lighting in the base star! 😃 ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2005, 7:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-1-13-kobols-last-gleaming-2-passion-of-the-spoilers/297324/31 "2005-04-02T07:15:50Z")
> [@MacTech](#): > > just when i thought there was no show that could surpass my benchmark scifi show (Farscape), i find a show that’s just as good as 'Scape, if not \ _better_ than Farscape While I greatly enjoy _Farscape,_ I have a hard time taking seriously as “hard SF” any show that incorporates a functional equivalent of Doug Adams’ “Babel Fish.” (And that includes _Star Trek_ and its fuckingdumbass “universal translator”, Mr. Roddenberry! :mad: ) Also, the idea that humans can mate with the entirely unrelated Sebaceans and produce offspring is too laughable to be laughable. (Same with humans and Vulcans, humans and Betazoids, humans and Klingons, etc.) The idea that humans can mate with human-form-Cylons and produce offspring, OTOH, is perfectly plausible if said Cylons were made from a base of human genetic material. ---
**Author:** ![Quartz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quartz/32/267_2.png) [@Quartz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quartz)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2005, 7:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-1-13-kobols-last-gleaming-2-passion-of-the-spoilers/297324/32 "2005-04-02T07:23:03Z")
I was disappointed by the ending. It was cliched and resolved nothing. The rest of the episode was great. Roll on Series 2. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2005, 7:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-1-13-kobols-last-gleaming-2-passion-of-the-spoilers/297324/33 "2005-04-02T07:24:02Z")
The “meaty” appearance of the interior of the Cylon basestar reminds me of a line from an old Robert Crumb cartoon: “It’s fun to crash in all-meat cars!” 🙂 (Panel shows two all-meat cars colliding with a “splat” sound.) (I’m pretty sure Crumb was doing a lot of acid in those days. The amazing part is, his stuff still seems funny when you’re straight.) ---
**Author:** ![Brutus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@Brutus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Brutus)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2005, 7:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-1-13-kobols-last-gleaming-2-passion-of-the-spoilers/297324/34 "2005-04-02T07:27:35Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > Also, the idea that humans can mate with the entirely unrelated Sebaceans and produce offspring is too laughable to be laughable. Not to hijack, but I though during _The Peacekeeper Wars_ they said (or strongly hinted) that Sebaceans are ‘modified’ humans, made by those nutty peace-aliens. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2005, 7:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-1-13-kobols-last-gleaming-2-passion-of-the-spoilers/297324/35 "2005-04-02T07:32:45Z")
> [@Brutus](#): > > Not to hijack, but I though during _The Peacekeeper Wars_ they said (or strongly hinted) that Sebaceans are ‘modified’ humans, made by those nutty peace-aliens. Missed that episode . . . who are these “peace-aliens,” if they’re not Peacekeepers themselves? ---
**Author:** ![Brutus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@Brutus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Brutus)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2005, 7:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-1-13-kobols-last-gleaming-2-passion-of-the-spoilers/297324/36 "2005-04-02T07:37:22Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > Missed that episode . . . who are these “peace-aliens,” if they’re not Peacekeepers themselves? _The Peacekeeper Wars_ was the mini-movie-series-thingee made after the show was (sob) cancelled. 2 two-hour episodes. Good stuff. There were these aliens with god-awfully-ugly faces that used to run around and use SPACE MAGIC! to inspire peace between warring aliens. They needed ‘Peacekeepers’ to keep the peace, so they went to some planet (Earth, it is hinted), and took some inhabitants and modified them to be suitable peacekeepers. It seems that Stargate SG1 season 9 will be a mini-Farscape reunion, so there is always that… ---
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2005, 7:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-1-13-kobols-last-gleaming-2-passion-of-the-spoilers/297324/37 "2005-04-02T07:39:06Z")
> [@Brutus](#): > > Not to hijack, but I though during _The Peacekeeper Wars_ they said (or strongly hinted) that Sebaceans are ‘modified’ humans, made by those nutty peace-aliens. They did. You don’t have to OT it. They were human. **BrainGlutton** is a poo-poo head. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2005, 7:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-1-13-kobols-last-gleaming-2-passion-of-the-spoilers/297324/38 "2005-04-02T07:40:08Z")
> [@Brutus](#): > > It seems that Stargate SG1 season 9 will be a mini-Farscape reunion, so there is always that… :eek: 😕 :eek: WORST! CROSSOVER! EVER! ---
**Author:** ![Brutus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@Brutus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Brutus)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2005, 7:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-1-13-kobols-last-gleaming-2-passion-of-the-spoilers/297324/39 "2005-04-02T07:40:39Z")
> [@levdrakon](#): > > They did. You don’t have to OT it. They were human. **BrainGlutton** is a poo-poo head. Well that’s being a bit harsh, no? ---
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2005, 7:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-1-13-kobols-last-gleaming-2-passion-of-the-spoilers/297324/40 "2005-04-02T07:56:25Z")
> [@Brutus](#): > > Well that’s being a bit harsh, no? I think **BrainGlutton** can take it. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-1-13-kobols-last-gleaming-2-passion-of-the-spoilers/297324.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-1-13-kobols-last-gleaming-2-passion-of-the-spoilers/297324.md?page=3)