# Battlestar Galactica 1.13 — "Kobol's Last Gleaming (2)" (passion of the Spoilers) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [April 1, 2005, 11:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-1-13-kobols-last-gleaming-2-passion-of-the-spoilers/297324 "2005-04-01T23:34:30Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![tracer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tracer/32/20578_2.png) [@tracer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tracer)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2005, 2:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-1-13-kobols-last-gleaming-2-passion-of-the-spoilers/297324/121 "2005-04-05T02:00:45Z")
> [@brianmelendez](#): > > [Tapes of the last time](http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B00018LTDI/qid=1112625464/sr=8-2/ref=pd_csp_2/104-2756609-0115148?v=glance&s=dvd&n=507846). But I’m hoping that this time will be better. And, hopefully, it will be better than [this one](http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B0000AKY5A), too. ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2005, 2:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-1-13-kobols-last-gleaming-2-passion-of-the-spoilers/297324/122 "2005-04-05T02:52:33Z")
In thinking back over this episode, one storytelling oversight jumped out at me: Helo’s on Caprica. He unexpectedly runs into his flying partner Boomer, and is surprised and pleased. They run around for a few weeks, with much hiding, shooting, and moist thrusting. Then — _BAM!_ — he finds out Boomer’s a Cylon. His reality is pulled out from under him and his level of trust in the situation goes to zero. And then Starbuck mysteriously reappears, and Helo immediately accepts her as the real Starbuck he knows, instead of drawing the much more obvious and reasonable conclusion that she’s another Cylon. “But, but, he just saw Starbuck kill the blonde Cylon chick!” Yeah, and Boomer killed at least one o’ those also, plus herself. Well, another of herself. You know what I mean. Anyway, the point is, Helo obviously still doesn’t trust her. It sorta just went past in the episode and I didn’t think about it at the time, but in retrospect it seems like kind of a weird glitch. Maybe it would have been better if the scene had gone like this: _Starbuck pulls herself off Six’s body. As she looks up, Helo appears. They’re stunned to see each other, but just as Starbuck starts to grin, Helo pulls his gun and aims it at her. Beat._ **Starbuck:** Dude, what the frak? _Then Boomer comes up behind Helo. Starbuck looks at her blankly. Blinks. Then it clicks, and she pulls out her own weapon and points it at Boomer. Beat._ **Helo:** That’s what the frak. …Then they can move on from there. (Maybe I’m just overly amused at the thought of Starbuck saying “dude, what the frak.” :D) ---
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2005, 2:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-1-13-kobols-last-gleaming-2-passion-of-the-spoilers/297324/123 "2005-04-05T02:52:35Z")
> [@Merijeek](#): > > My logic on finding it odd regards the ships. Seems like a whole lot of ships with FTL drives. > > “Ah, but even if they’re all in the same system it’s a long trip between colonies!” you point out. > > Sure, but in that case why did they have so many ships WITHOUT the FTL drives? > > Either it’s a short trip between colonies or a long one… You’re preachin’ to the choir. Actually, I can kinda understand why they have sub-light ships. Maybe FTL is expensive? It’s cheaper to haul dry goods at sub-light? Seems a lot of FTL ships have large landing bays on them. Maybe it’s just cheaper to tool around your own colony with a sub-light, and when you really need to get to the far side of the system, you just dock with an FTL and it takes you? I just hate it when I have to go all fanboy in order to rationalize these things, when Ron Moore could easily have worked this stuff out beforehand. And my biggest peeve is, what kind of people with FTL wouldn’t have explored at least a significant portion of their local star systems? That makes no sense. > [@](#): > > It’s a logical inconsistency that bugs me, but not really. I love the show, so who cares? I just hope they had themselves a little writer’s bible about how everything works. I don’t want to hear someone say “We can’t reach Galactica!” while their HUD says “Contacting Galactica”. Which is what we saw in Wing Commander… Moore said in one of his podcasts that he has a BSG bible. I fear it mostly contains character backstory and not a lot of science stuff. > [@](#): > > Does anyone think that, maybe, The Thing In The Crib might not be what we think it is? Fact of that matter is that it was a very, very, very long and elaborate reveal to just show a glowing crib thing. Baltar had made it pretty clear he didn’t want to be a father, at least with Six. Hopefully he’s still lying on the ground near the crash site and hallucinating the whole thing. Or playing along with Six, while that multi-tasking brain of his is trying to figure a way out of the whole mess. > [@tracer](#): > > I seem to recall, back when the two BS Galactica 2-hour pilot movies were the only instances of \*_BS Galactica_ in existence, reading that the 12 colonies were spread out over 3 star systems, 4 colony worlds to a system. That would be preferable. Actually, if it’s just a director’s comments, and not confirmed in the show, is it canon? Maybe the colonies could be spread out. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2005, 3:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-1-13-kobols-last-gleaming-2-passion-of-the-spoilers/297324/124 "2005-04-05T03:11:32Z")
> [@levdrakon](#): > > Maybe it’s just cheaper to tool around your own colony with a sub-light, and when you really need to get to the far side of the system, you just dock with an FTL and it takes you? It takes four days to get to our moon, and between six months and a year to go to Mars. The ship the President is in has seats like an airliner. I can’t stand those things for two hours, let alone six months. The vipers can accelerate quickly enough to hurt the pilot, maybe there is some really quick sub light civilian engine; you’d still pull a lot of G’s, though. Hell, there is probably is a Poetic License Sub Light Drive. PLSLD ™. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![stochastic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e19b73/32.png) [@stochastic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/stochastic)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2005, 4:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-1-13-kobols-last-gleaming-2-passion-of-the-spoilers/297324/125 "2005-04-05T04:51:49Z")
Idle speculation about why the Cylons might not care about the destruction of the basestar by G-Boomer: 1. Maybe each basestar is dedicated to the production and/or transport of a single type of humanoid-Cylon, and this one happened to be the Boomer ship. 2. The insides of the ship was kind of womby-looking, suggesting that it might support the propagation of organic life. This would also explain why the Boomers were as naked as the day there were born…well, because they just were born! 3. We’ve already heard Six comment that the Boomer model has flaws; so losing the ship that makes them would be considered a way to get rid of the majority of these failed models and it’s faulty production line. 4. The finale episodes begin with G-Boomer attempting to commit suicide, perhaps because of her flawed programming (and we’ve seen other attempts to blow herself up in previous episodes). Her botching the lead-swallowing attempt saves her for the ultimate sacrifice that’s yet to come: causing the suicide of her entire failed production line. The nuke being stuck wasn’t an accident…she intended to have to sit in the basestar with the nuke when it went off. But… 5. Meeting the nekkid-Boomers on the basestar locked-in her programming and resolved her to not go down in Cylon history as a failure. She completed the mission and went back to Galactica and scored one for the team, shooting Adama the first chance she got. 6. The baby that Caprica-Boomer is carrying represents Boomerbot 2.0, a new, improved model. No need to have all those faulty Boomerbot 1.0 models running around anymore. Damn, methinks I think about this stuff too much… :o ---
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2005, 6:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-1-13-kobols-last-gleaming-2-passion-of-the-spoilers/297324/126 "2005-04-05T06:47:38Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > It takes four days to get to our moon, and between six months and a year to go to Mars. The ship the President is in has seats like an airliner. I can’t stand those things for two hours, let alone six months. > > The vipers can accelerate quickly enough to hurt the pilot, maybe there is some really quick sub light civilian engine; you’d still pull a lot of G’s, though. > Hell, there is probably is a Poetic License Sub Light Drive. > PLSLD ™. > 🙂 The PLSLD is Tylium powered, so that works. As for pulling massive G’s, they’ve got “sophisticated” inertial dampeners & artificial gravity. Just how fast can you go at sub-light before relativistic effects kick in, and stray hydrogen atoms start making dents in your windshield? ---
**Author:** ![Merijeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f05b48/32.png) [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2005, 11:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-1-13-kobols-last-gleaming-2-passion-of-the-spoilers/297324/127 "2005-04-05T11:51:15Z")
> [@levdrakon](#): > > The PLSLD is Tylium powered, so that works. As for pulling massive G’s, they’ve got “sophisticated” inertial dampeners & artificial gravity. Must be a weird dampener if Starbuck still has to pull 6g’s (9g’s?) with her lil’ feet (she’s got the best feet in the fleet!). -Joe ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2005, 1:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-1-13-kobols-last-gleaming-2-passion-of-the-spoilers/297324/128 "2005-04-05T13:08:34Z")
Six called the contents of the crib “She”, and Baltar didn’t disagree. Could be the literary “she”, though, like anthropomorphizing a boat. Comm could be FTL - if they can jump a ship, maybe they can jump a packet of photons. If not, it might be easy to make little comm pods with recording devices, transmitters, and their own little jump drives, with the little oscillation overthrusters all spun up and ready to go. Tell the pod “Help me, Obi-Wan Kenobi, you’re my only hope”, hit the jump button, it goes back home and transmits via ordinary radio. I wouldn’t read too much into when G6 was on-screen and when not, given the editing and pacing of the show. **Cervaise** , Helo saw Starbuck getting her ass kicked by C-6, and that may have convinced him she wasn’t a Cylon. I’d still like to know why he, C-B, and C-6 all arrived at the museum at the same time Starbuck was there, though - seems too hokey. The Cylons seem to have been trying to fully activate G-B right from the get-go, but, as an inferior model, she was misfiring somehow. The visit by the Nekkid Boomer Basestar Brigade was what it took to clear the error. C-B’s baby looks like her own idea, the product of her too-human emotions, but the G-6/Baltar hybrid has a purpose. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2005, 2:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-1-13-kobols-last-gleaming-2-passion-of-the-spoilers/297324/129 "2005-04-05T14:08:11Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > The Cylons seem to have been trying to fully activate G-B right from the get-go, but, as an inferior model, she was misfiring somehow. The visit by the Nekkid Boomer Basestar Brigade was what it took to clear the error. C-B’s baby looks like her own idea, the product of her too-human emotions, but the G-6/Baltar hybrid has a purpose. Thereby setting up the whole future conflict of the series: The Chosen Child and the Fallen Child. Biblical much? 😃 I wish the NBBB would visit **me**! ---
**Author:** ![muldoonthief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muldoonthief/32/3188_2.png) [@muldoonthief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/muldoonthief)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2005, 2:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-1-13-kobols-last-gleaming-2-passion-of-the-spoilers/297324/130 "2005-04-05T14:29:32Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > It takes four days to get to our moon, and between six months and a year to go to Mars. The ship the President is in has seats like an airliner. I can’t stand those things for two hours, let alone six months. > > The vipers can accelerate quickly enough to hurt the pilot, maybe there is some really quick sub light civilian engine; you’d still pull a lot of G’s, though. > Hell, there is probably is a Poetic License Sub Light Drive. > PLSLD ™. > 🙂 But when we go to the moon or Mars, the craft spends most of it’s time coasting. If you had a constant acceleration 1g (9.8 m/sec[sup]2[/sup])drive, you could get to Mars in 2 days when it’s at its closest (80 million km), and around 5 days when it’s at its farthest (230 million km, but you’ve got to go around the sun). Maximum velocity in the 5 day case would be around 0.007c, so relativistic effects would be small, but measurable. We know they’ve got artificial gravity, since the direction of acceleration of the passengers is at right angles to the direction the engines appear to be firing, so a constant acceleration ship for tooling around the system seems quite feasible. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2005, 2:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-1-13-kobols-last-gleaming-2-passion-of-the-spoilers/297324/131 "2005-04-05T14:39:17Z")
> [@silenus](#): > > Thereby setting up the whole future conflict of the series: The Chosen Child and the Fallen Child. Biblical much? 😃 Ye Gods, you’re right. I do hope we’re not going there. > [@](#): > > I wish the NBBB would visit **me**! And I wish I’d called it the Bareass Boomer Basestar Brigade (B4) instead - woulda been more alliterative. ---
**Author:** ![Munch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/munch/32/5281_2.png) [@Munch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Munch)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2005, 2:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-1-13-kobols-last-gleaming-2-passion-of-the-spoilers/297324/132 "2005-04-05T14:39:18Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > The only vessel in the Colonial fleet capable of reaching Caprica in a single jump was the Raider, and that was going to be destroyed in the basestar attack. It was also the only ship they could depend upon to go undetected long enough on Caprica. Do we know that for sure? The only reason they made short jumps in the beginning was because they were “going beyond the red line”, i.e. they didn’t have anything plotted for a jump beyond that. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2005, 2:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-1-13-kobols-last-gleaming-2-passion-of-the-spoilers/297324/133 "2005-04-05T14:42:52Z")
> [@Munch](#): > > The only reason they made short jumps in the beginning was because they were “going beyond the red line”, i.e. they didn’t have anything plotted for a jump beyond that. The very \*first \* jump was beyond the Red Line, the longest any of them had ever made. I didn’t see any clue about the lengths of subsequent jumps, which seemed pretty much random, but maybe they had to conserve their dilithium crystals. There did seem to be some surprise on Adama’s face when he heard the Raider could reach Caprica in a single jump, and Roslin used that as an example of superior Cylotech when inciting Starbuck to mutiny. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2005, 3:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-1-13-kobols-last-gleaming-2-passion-of-the-spoilers/297324/134 "2005-04-05T15:04:47Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > And I wish I’d called it the Bareass Boomer Basestar Brigade (B4) instead - woulda been more alliterative. So let it be written; so let it be done! B4 it is, from now until the end of time. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2005, 3:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-1-13-kobols-last-gleaming-2-passion-of-the-spoilers/297324/135 "2005-04-05T15:10:51Z")
So say we all! ---
**Author:** ![Munch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/munch/32/5281_2.png) [@Munch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Munch)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2005, 3:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-1-13-kobols-last-gleaming-2-passion-of-the-spoilers/297324/136 "2005-04-05T15:12:49Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > There did seem to be some surprise on Adama’s face when he heard the Raider could reach Caprica in a single jump, and Roslin used that as an example of superior Cylotech when inciting Starbuck to mutiny. That’s true. And we do know that there are other ships in the fleet that can’t make large jumps, which obviously limit the entire fleet as a whole. I’d guess the surprise look was because it was such a small ship that was capable of going so far. Either way, it’s pretty insignificant unless it comes up again. ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Duality](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mr.duality/32/4098_2.png) [@Mr.Duality](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Duality)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2005, 3:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-1-13-kobols-last-gleaming-2-passion-of-the-spoilers/297324/137 "2005-04-05T15:35:02Z")
> [@muldoonthief](#): > > Two comments on Boomer shooting Adama: > > It looked like the shots were to the abdomen, not the chest. It’s feasible for him to survive, especially given the medical facilities you’d expect in a Battlestar. > > Why does no one on the bridge try to stop the bleeding? The only person who does anything worthwhile is Gaeta, calling for a medic. We have Tigh holding his belly (but not over the bullet holes), Lee holding his head and crying, and the commo tech who’s name escapes me holding his hand and crying. If you actually **care** for the guy, how about doing something useful, like taking off your shirt, holding it against the wound, and applying direct pressure? I know it’s a huge shock and all, but you’d think one of the soldiers on the bridge would have remembered their first aid training. Seems as if GB wanted to disable Adama, not kill him. At short range more lethal shots and a larger number of shots would’ve been possible. I find it _extremely_ interesting that the first thing K6 said after Baltar said “you saved my life” was “care to return the favor?” Baltar said he remembered the ancient ruins. Seems the uber-plot will involve circular time. The thing protruding from C6’s chest after the fall was a broken length of rebar- steel rods imbedded in reinforced concrete. ---
**Author:** ![Ponder\_Stibbons](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ponder_stibbons/32/343_2.png) [@Ponder\_Stibbons](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ponder_Stibbons)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2005, 3:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-1-13-kobols-last-gleaming-2-passion-of-the-spoilers/297324/138 "2005-04-05T15:53:36Z")
Am I the only one who saw all those Boomers (btw, I love “Bareass Boomer Basestar Brigade (B4)” … beautiful!) and thought: Boomer Boomer Boomer Boomer Boomer Boomer Boomer Boomer Boomer Boomer Boomer Helo Helo Boomer Boomer Boomer Boomer Boomer Boomer Boomer Boomer Boomer Boomer Boomer Helo Helo Boomer Boomer Boomer Boomer Boomer Boomer Boomer Boomer Boomer Boomer Boomer Helo Helo Boomer Boomer Boomer Boomer Boomer Boomer Boomer Boomer Boomer Boomer Boomer Six! It’s a Six! Oooooooh, it’s Six! … just me, then? ---
**Author:** ![Debaser](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/3da27b/32.png) [@Debaser](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Debaser)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2005, 4:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-1-13-kobols-last-gleaming-2-passion-of-the-spoilers/297324/139 "2005-04-05T16:05:02Z")
I watched every single episode of the BSG first season. My DVR caught them all and sometimes it took me a while to get around to it, but I did watch them all. I didn’t want it to suck. I really didn’t. It came so close to being a good show. I can look past a lot of absurd stuff that doesn’t make sense. Star Trek was filled with it. But, BSG just went to far. Towards the end of the season, things needed to start making sense. Instead, everything just got worse. How does a terrorist suddenly just get respectable and almost become elected president? How does the scientist get trusted with everything when he’s constantly talking to himself and masterbating in public? The glowing spine of passion? The pilot back on Caprica. This entire sub-plot just makes no sense. Every Cylon on the planet is scouring the city looking for him and he can escape by simply walking in the sewer? What do they even need to toy with him for? Strap him down, grap a needle and you can have all the sperm you want. Just what is it that the cylons want from the humans? If the little cylon fighter is capable of jumping all the way back to Caprica, then they obviously have the capability to jump in and kill the fleet whenever they like. The whole season, it seemed as if they were toying with the human fleet for some reason, but we get absolutely no explination except the completely obvious baby stuff. You could see a pregnant cylon in the plot coming from a hundred miles away. The acting is bad. The charisma of the characters is horrible. Starbuck just needs to get killed of immediately. The dialogue is wooden and stiff. The only thing this trainwreck had going for it was the shock value of the plotlines, and the general coolness of the subject matter. But, it just wasn’t enough to carry the show. Adama being shot won’t be explained in the next season. Why would they bother to explain it? They haven’t explained anything else. You don’t need to expain everything or have every action of the characters make perfect sense. However, you can’t just have everything be completely unexplained either. It’s a shame. I hate to say it, but it sucked. It sucked bad. We’ll see if next season is any better. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Munch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/munch/32/5281_2.png) [@Munch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Munch)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2005, 4:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-1-13-kobols-last-gleaming-2-passion-of-the-spoilers/297324/140 "2005-04-05T16:21:05Z")
> [@Debaser](#): > > How does a terrorist suddenly just get respectable and almost become elected president? I dunno. How do you expect civilization to react when 99.9999% of it has been blown up and you’re stuck in a ragtag fleet led by a flying museum? Maybe glom onto the nearest charismatic figure who makes nice-sounding promises? > [@](#): > > How does the scientist get trusted with everything when he’s constantly talking to himself and masterbating in public? Who else are they going to trust? Every supergenius I’ve ever met has talked to himself (and Baltar has never been seen masturbating in public). > [@](#): > > The glowing spine of passion? So? We’ve seen it three times in what, 14 episodes? Let it go. > [@](#): > > The pilot back on Caprica. This entire sub-plot just makes no sense. Of course it doesn’t - it hasn’t been resolved yet! Are you one of those people who is constantly talking during movies asking their neighbor what’s going on instead of waiting 5 minutes for it to be explained? > [@](#): > > Every Cylon on the planet is scouring the city looking for him and he can escape by simply walking in the sewer? What do they even need to toy with him for? Are you so sure about that? If they’re toying with him, they’re not exactly looking for him, are they? > [@](#): > > What do they even need to toy with him for? Strap him down, grap a needle and you can have all the sperm you want. What makes you think all they want is sperm? > [@](#): > > Just what is it that the cylons want from the humans? Therein lies the big question, doesn’t it? Do you really think that is something they’d answer in the first season? Plus, from every conversation that Boomer had with Helo, and every converstation Six had with Baltar, it seems that Cylon emotions and a sense of faith are high on their priority list, along with getting humans to understand these emotions and faith. > [@](#): > > If the little cylon fighter is capable of jumping all the way back to Caprica, then they obviously have the capability to jump in and kill the fleet whenever they like. I don’t think you understand how big space is. > [@](#): > > The acting is bad. The charisma of the characters is horrible. Starbuck just needs to get killed of immediately. The dialogue is wooden and stiff. Frankly, I can’t agree with you at all here. I don’t know if you’re one of the people all hung up on the fact that Starbuck is a woman, or what, but if you don’t like it, turn it off. I’ve watched a lot of bad television in my life, and I have to say that the writing and dialogue on this show is very good. Not spectacular, not great, but good. I can’t think of too many shows where that was the case during the first season. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-1-13-kobols-last-gleaming-2-passion-of-the-spoilers/297324.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-1-13-kobols-last-gleaming-2-passion-of-the-spoilers/297324.md?page=8)