# Battlestar Galactica 1.13 — "Kobol's Last Gleaming (2)" (passion of the Spoilers) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [April 1, 2005, 11:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-1-13-kobols-last-gleaming-2-passion-of-the-spoilers/297324 "2005-04-01T23:34:30Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2005, 4:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-1-13-kobols-last-gleaming-2-passion-of-the-spoilers/297324/141 "2005-04-05T16:35:11Z")
**Debaser** , you seem to be lost. I believe you’re looking for [this thread](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=310016) instead. Good day. ---
**Author:** ![NoPretentiousCodename](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/82dd89/32.png) [@NoPretentiousCodename](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NoPretentiousCodename)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2005, 6:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-1-13-kobols-last-gleaming-2-passion-of-the-spoilers/297324/142 "2005-04-05T18:15:59Z")
Well, **Debaser** , I, for one, don’t mind you posting when your opinion doesn’t agree with mine. The post is on-topic for this thread, so you’re welcome to join the discussion, as far as I am concerned. No need for thread segregation, even if they are “separate but equal”. I liked Bladerunner, 5th element, and Stargate. Sure, there are some improbable elements of the Galactica saga, but I find the drama compelling enough to keep coming back for more. I also enjoy the “lo-tech” aspects of the show, and the aspects that are similar to our society. But if everyone agreed with my opinion, what kind of world would that be? 😉 ---
**Author:** ![HPL](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/3da27b/32.png) [@HPL](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HPL)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2005, 9:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-1-13-kobols-last-gleaming-2-passion-of-the-spoilers/297324/143 "2005-04-05T21:31:30Z")
> [@Debaser](#): > > How does a terrorist suddenly just get respectable and almost become elected president? He seems to be quite a charismatic figure, and while it bugs me, it’s not unprecedented: Castro is El Presidente of Cuba and a lot of people consider him a terrorist. Apparently 20% of the Russian Population would vote for Josef Stalin if he ran in the next election(I’m serious). And in the US, we had a rather Shitty selection in 2004. Not terrorists, but a general lack of quality in regards to both in my opinion. > [@Debaser](#): > > How does the scientist get trusted with everything when he’s constantly talking to himself and masterbating in public? Hell, that’s my line. It bugs me, and I really wish they’d address it, but I do realize that he is practically the only scientist they have. > [@Debaser](#): > > The glowing spine of passion? What is it with the glowing spine that annoying some people so much? Yeah, it was cheesy. However, it’s also been shown…twice in the entire season(actually, only once. The other time was during the miniseries). I’m willing to give them a pass on this. > [@Debaser](#): > > If the little cylon fighter is capable of jumping all the way back to Caprica, then they obviously have the capability to jump in and kill the fleet whenever they like. You’re missing a vital connection here. It’s not a matter of distance. It’s a matter of knowing WHERE to jump. Starbuck knows where caprica is, and she knows there the fleet was when she left. The Cylons can’t jump in unless they know where the fleet is. ---
**Author:** ![Munch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/munch/32/5281_2.png) [@Munch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Munch)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2005, 9:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-1-13-kobols-last-gleaming-2-passion-of-the-spoilers/297324/144 "2005-04-05T21:46:38Z")
> [@](#): > > However, it’s also been shown…twice in the entire season(actually, only once. The other time was during the miniseries). Twice during the series - one with C-Boomer, one with G-Six (when Baltar accepts God she follows him up to the bedroom and we see the glowing spine). ---
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2005, 10:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-1-13-kobols-last-gleaming-2-passion-of-the-spoilers/297324/145 "2005-04-05T22:45:48Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > The very \*first \* jump was beyond the Red Line, the longest any of them had ever made. I didn’t see any clue about the lengths of subsequent jumps, which seemed pretty much random, but maybe they had to conserve their dilithium crystals. > > There did seem to be some surprise on Adama’s face when he heard the Raider could reach Caprica in a single jump, and Roslin used that as an example of superior Cylotech when inciting Starbuck to mutiny. I’m sure part of the problem with a jump is being familiar with your destination, and if you’re jumping into the unknown, it takes time for your various telescopes to chart the area and calculate exactly where everything is right at that moment. Once you’ve charted an area, it’s probably quicker to spool up the FTL drive and make the jump. But there is a real limitation on how far you can jump based on how sophisticated your drive is. The BSG website ship section makes it fairly clear the Galactica can jump further than some of the smaller ships, and if it did, the smaller ships would have to make several smaller jumps to catch up. It’s not too surprising that a more sophisticated Cylon drive can jump all the way back to Caprica. However, the look of suprise on Adama’s face when Roslin told him this wasn’t that he didn’t already know that, it was surprise that she found out. He hates it when Roslin gets her hands on what he considers need to know military intel. His look was, “who the frak told _you_ that?” ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2005, 11:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-1-13-kobols-last-gleaming-2-passion-of-the-spoilers/297324/146 "2005-04-05T23:05:41Z")
> [@HPL](#): > > What is it with the glowing spine that annoying some people so much? Because it should show up in an autopsy and be unusual enough to build a Cylon detector around. Biopsy material around the spine and see if it glows in the dark. 🙂 And what kind of a moronic toaster begins a sentence with “An…” Wait. What kind of a moronic toaster builds (or creates, _whatever_) a fool proof human except for the GSP ™? ---
**Author:** ![Hodge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Hodge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hodge)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2005, 11:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-1-13-kobols-last-gleaming-2-passion-of-the-spoilers/297324/147 "2005-04-05T23:35:13Z")
> [@Debaser](#): > > How does a terrorist suddenly just get respectable and almost become elected president? See Nelson Mandela. The guerilla tactics used by Umkhonto we Sizwe were labelled terrorism back then and would be labelled terrorism now if they were carried out today. ---
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2005, 12:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-1-13-kobols-last-gleaming-2-passion-of-the-spoilers/297324/148 "2005-04-06T00:19:17Z")
> [@Debaser](#): > > The glowing spine of passion? I have a feeling the GSP stands for Glowing Spine (of getting) Pregnant. CB & C6. > [@](#): > > The pilot back on Caprica. This entire sub-plot just makes no sense. Every Cylon on the planet is scouring the city looking for him and he can escape by simply walking in the sewer? What do they even need to toy with him for? Strap him down, grap a needle and you can have all the sperm you want. The Cylons have religion that seems to resemble Christianity, without the Christ part. You create a new human by making it from love, not just strapping someone down and raping their helpless body. > [@](#): > > Just what is it that the cylons want from the humans? Well duh, you gotta keep watching the show! > [@](#): > > Adama being shot won’t be explained in the next season. Why would they bother to explain it? They haven’t explained anything else. You don’t need to expain everything or have every action of the characters make perfect sense. However, you can’t just have everything be completely unexplained either. I agree with you here, more or less. One of my fears is that Ron Moore is leaving behind lots of unanswered questions that he isn’t planning on going back to. He seems to be keeping track of the human drama stuff, but is he keeping track of all the technological questions he leaves behind each episode? Or is this just more Star Trek/SG-1? ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2005, 1:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-1-13-kobols-last-gleaming-2-passion-of-the-spoilers/297324/149 "2005-04-06T01:00:22Z")
When Six talks of “God,” is she referring to the supreme being of the universe, or to this series’ equivalent of the Imperious Leader? Or perhaps to the collective overmind of all Cylons? ---
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2005, 1:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-1-13-kobols-last-gleaming-2-passion-of-the-spoilers/297324/150 "2005-04-06T01:03:57Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > When Six talks of “God,” is she referring to the supreme being of the universe, or to this series’ equivalent of the Imperious Leader? Or perhaps to the collective overmind of all Cylons? There better not be an Imperious Leader, unless it turns out to be Dirk Benedict, and it turns out he’s Starbuck’s father, and she’s half Cylon! Bwah, ha, ha! ---
**Author:** ![dogbutler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dogbutler/32/428_2.png) [@dogbutler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dogbutler)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2005, 3:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-1-13-kobols-last-gleaming-2-passion-of-the-spoilers/297324/151 "2005-04-06T03:23:42Z")
> [@Ponder Stibbons](#): > > Am I the only one who saw all those Boomers (btw, I love “Bareass Boomer Basestar Brigade (B4)” … beautiful!) and thought: > > Boomer Boomer Boomer Boomer Boomer Boomer Boomer Boomer Boomer Boomer Boomer > Helo Helo > Boomer Boomer Boomer Boomer Boomer Boomer Boomer Boomer Boomer Boomer Boomer > Helo Helo > Boomer Boomer Boomer Boomer Boomer Boomer Boomer Boomer Boomer Boomer Boomer > Helo Helo > Boomer Boomer Boomer Boomer Boomer Boomer Boomer Boomer Boomer Boomer Boomer > Six! It’s a Six! Oooooooh, it’s Six! > > … just me, then? Frak! Now I have\* that\* stuck in my head. ---
**Author:** ![Debaser](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/3da27b/32.png) [@Debaser](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Debaser)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2005, 1:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-1-13-kobols-last-gleaming-2-passion-of-the-spoilers/297324/152 "2005-04-06T13:15:04Z")
> [@NoPretentiousCodename](#): > > Well, **Debaser** , I, for one, don’t mind you posting when your opinion doesn’t agree with mine. The post is on-topic for this thread, so you’re welcome to join the discussion, as far as I am concerned. Thank you. I didn’t mean to get everybody all in a huff. There was actually humor in my post that people seemed to miss. After bitching about the show, I did imply that I was going to keep watching it to see what happens next. It’s just annoying to see a show with such potential slip into the same type of mistake that so many movies make these days. For no apparent reason, other than simply laziness on the part of the writers, many elements of the show just don’t make sense or are extremely unrealistic. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2005, 3:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-1-13-kobols-last-gleaming-2-passion-of-the-spoilers/297324/153 "2005-04-06T15:18:40Z")
I watched my recording of the episode last night, and I have to say I was a bit disappointed. Not that it wasn’t a good episode, but some of the posters here had hyped it up like it was going to be mind-blowing. I agree with those who say they tried to cramp too much into one hour-- I kept thinking that all the way thru. But that didn’t bother me all that much. The action was good, as usual, and although I found the coup to be a little contrived, I can live with it since it provided some really good tension. Are we supposed to assume that the Cylons real goal is to form a hybrid race-- ie, their goal is not to destroy humans but to improve them? If so, it would seem that more stealth would have been in order. They may get one or two hybrids out of their actions, but it would have made more sense to just infiltrate the colonies with as many human-looking Cylons as possible and start humping like mad. But of course the real question remains: Is Adama actually dead? Although it would be pretty cheesy to have him live thru that assassimation attempt, he’s such a central character to the show, and adds so much to the drama that I’d hate to see him gone next season. Just one other thing, and this bugs the shit out of me about most TV shows and movies. If someone had really been on a quest to retrieve that arrow, she (ie, Starbuck) would’ve grabbed the fracking thing and run with it. I can’t believe the person would just sit there staring at it for even 1 second. In those kinds of scenes, I’m always yelling in my mind: Get the hell out of there, you idiot!! ---
**Author:** ![HPL](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/3da27b/32.png) [@HPL](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HPL)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2005, 6:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-1-13-kobols-last-gleaming-2-passion-of-the-spoilers/297324/154 "2005-04-06T18:04:45Z")
> [@John Mace](#): > > But of course the real question remains: Is Adama actually dead? Although it would be pretty cheesy to have him live thru that assassimation attempt, he’s such a central character to the show, and adds so much to the drama that I’d hate to see him gone next season. I’m torn about this. Adama is by far my favorite character, but I’d also have great respect for a show that killed off any central character. However, I don’t think it would be Cheesy for him to survive. People have survived being shot before. Reagen was Shot and Lived. John Paul II was shot and lived. Not a real person, but Vito Corleone was shot 5 times and lived. I think it depends all how they handle it. If he’s up and about immediatly afterwards as if nothing had ever happened, it’s going to be pretty cheesy. If he spends the next season recovering to varying degrees(a couple epsiodes in bed, several walking around in a somewhat weak manner), it’ll be believeable. ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2005, 6:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-1-13-kobols-last-gleaming-2-passion-of-the-spoilers/297324/155 "2005-04-06T18:05:55Z")
> [@John Mace](#): > > But of course the real question remains: Is Adama actually dead? The answer to this question, based on information posted in spoiler threads about the next season on [scifi.com](http://scifi.com)’s official message boards:No, he isn’t dead. But he does spend at least the first episode in emergency surgery and intensive care in the ship’s medical center. Incidentally, in order to give actor Olmos something to do while his character is unconscious under the knife, we will apparently see flashbacks showing the history of Adama and Tigh, including how they met. Additional known spoiler, based on the same official threads, not regarding Adama specifically but about other events:Apparently there’s going to be a running gun battle in _Galactica_’s corridors when a platoon of Cylon chrome toasters boards the ship. :eek: These are known spoilers. Highlight at your own risk. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2005, 6:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-1-13-kobols-last-gleaming-2-passion-of-the-spoilers/297324/156 "2005-04-06T18:18:14Z")
> [@Cervaise](#): > > These are known spoilers. Sounds good to me, if the latter is a bit Trekish. (snicker) Now they’ll want to read it all the more. OK, regarding the “bad child” and “good child” battle theory: Ron Moore is Cool. He would not do that to us. All together now: Ron Moore is Cool. He would not do that to us. Repeat as needed. ---
**Author:** ![NoPretentiousCodename](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/82dd89/32.png) [@NoPretentiousCodename](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NoPretentiousCodename)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2005, 6:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-1-13-kobols-last-gleaming-2-passion-of-the-spoilers/297324/157 "2005-04-06T18:22:00Z")
One thing I like about BSG is that actions have consequences. For example Starbuck’s broken leg. I think it would be very gutsy/interesting if Adama lost the use of his legs because a bullet severed his spinal cord, or something. Maybe he has to be kept alive by a machine because the bullet harmed a vital organ. I think it would be cool, but risky, to kill him outright. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2005, 6:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-1-13-kobols-last-gleaming-2-passion-of-the-spoilers/297324/158 "2005-04-06T18:26:37Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > OK, regarding the “bad child” and “good child” battle theory: > > Ron Moore is Cool. > He would not do that to us. > > All together now: > > Ron Moore is Cool. > He would not do that to us. > > Repeat as needed. We shall see. The only producer I trust emplicitly is Joss Whedon. If Ron can pull this off without resorting to Trekisms, he may be accepted as an apprentice GodProducer (Probationary). Of course, we need to remember the source material. How far is Ron willing to stray from the original? The hoped-for answer is “pretty damn far!” 😃 ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2005, 6:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-1-13-kobols-last-gleaming-2-passion-of-the-spoilers/297324/159 "2005-04-06T18:28:40Z")
> [@HPL](#): > > However, I don’t think it would be Cheesy for him to survive. People have survived being shot before. Reagen was Shot and Lived. John Paul II was shot and lived. Not a real person, but Vito Corleone was shot 5 times and lived. Were either of those two shot at point blank range, and in as critical an area as Adama? Those were some nasty bullet holes, if you ask me. But I did note that neither of the two shots hit his heart area. Of course, that begs the question of why Boomer missed if she was shooting from that close range. But then again, maybe she “intentionally” missed? The possibilities are endless… 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2005, 6:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-1-13-kobols-last-gleaming-2-passion-of-the-spoilers/297324/160 "2005-04-06T18:31:07Z")
We’ve already seen how “good” a shot GB is. She couldn’t even hit the back of her head with the pistol in her mouth! 😃 [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-1-13-kobols-last-gleaming-2-passion-of-the-spoilers/297324.md?page=7) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-1-13-kobols-last-gleaming-2-passion-of-the-spoilers/297324.md?page=9)