# Battlestar Galactica 1.9 — "Hand of God" (now with lemon fresh spoilers) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [March 11, 2005, 9:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-1-9-hand-of-god-now-with-lemon-fresh-spoilers/294097 "2005-03-11T21:51:02Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![sturmhauke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e47c2d/32.png) [@sturmhauke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sturmhauke)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2005, 4:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-1-9-hand-of-god-now-with-lemon-fresh-spoilers/294097/61 "2005-03-14T16:38:07Z")
[QUOTE=carnivorousplant] > [@sturmhauke](#): > > Actually, on the miniseries DVD they show that except for cockpit closeups, all space shots are 100% CG. It’s pretty damn impressive./QUOTE] > > Humor. > It is a difficult concept. > > ^:dubious:^ Yes, it is highly illogical. ---
**Author:** ![Malodorous](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e47774/32.png) [@Malodorous](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Malodorous)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2005, 4:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-1-9-hand-of-god-now-with-lemon-fresh-spoilers/294097/62 "2005-03-14T16:44:37Z")
> [@sturmhauke](#): > > About the Cylon’s motives:I think their goal is to let the Galactica lead them to the last remnants of humanity so that they can achieve total victory. Six mentions a prophecy about a final confrontation at the home of the gods. At the end of the miniseries, the Cylon’s state pretty clearly that they want to hunt down and destroy the Galactica so that future humans won’t come a’ lookin for revenge. They also have made several fairly serious attempts to destroy the ship. And they exploded a bomb right in the face of Adama, whom they think is the only person who knows where Earth is. I think they want to wipe out humanity, for whatever purpose. Of course “God” may have a plan he hasn’t told the Cylons about yet, or is only telling them in pieces. ---
**Author:** ![duality72](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/duality72/32/3910_2.png) [@duality72](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/duality72)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2005, 5:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-1-9-hand-of-god-now-with-lemon-fresh-spoilers/294097/63 "2005-03-14T17:27:22Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > The display should be three dimensional; the vertical relation of ships would be very important. Considering there were only 3 points of interest (the Cylon base, the freighters, and Galactica), unless someone decided to take a longer, more creative route, a properly oriented 2D display representing the plane defined by the 3 points would be just fine. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2005, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-1-9-hand-of-god-now-with-lemon-fresh-spoilers/294097/64 "2005-03-14T17:35:36Z")
> [@duality72](#): > > unless someone decided to take a longer, more creative route, If they did, the plotting would have been screwed, wouldn’t it? Good reason to have all three dimensions. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![sturmhauke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e47c2d/32.png) [@sturmhauke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sturmhauke)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2005, 6:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-1-9-hand-of-god-now-with-lemon-fresh-spoilers/294097/65 "2005-03-14T18:52:05Z")
For that matter, the number of models was inconsistent. 3 Viper models represented 12 actual Vipers, while 3 Raider models represented many more actual Raiders. So the tactical table wasn’t meant to be a totally accurate representation of the battle, just a shorthand. ---
**Author:** ![Hypno-Toad](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/b2d939/32.png) [@Hypno-Toad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hypno-Toad)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2005, 8:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-1-9-hand-of-god-now-with-lemon-fresh-spoilers/294097/66 "2005-03-14T20:32:35Z")
> [@Malodorous](#): > > At the end of the miniseries, the Cylon’s state pretty clearly that they want to hunt down and destroy the Galactica so that future humans won’t come a’ lookin for revenge. They also have made several fairly serious attempts to destroy the ship. And they exploded a bomb right in the face of Adama, whom they think is the only person who knows where Earth is. I think they want to wipe out humanity, for whatever purpose. > > Of course “God” may have a plan he hasn’t told the Cylons about yet, or is only telling them in pieces. It could be that there are some Cylons with different plans that the rest. Perhaps the Caprica Cylons are trying to see if Humans and Cylons can’t just get along. The ones pursuing the fleet seem bent on destruction. But maybe not all of them. The Six who may or may not be in Baltars head certainly seems to want him to stay alive. And remember, Caprica Boomer shot one of the Caprica Sixes. Why would she do that but to keep that particular Six from acting towards different goals? ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2005, 8:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-1-9-hand-of-god-now-with-lemon-fresh-spoilers/294097/67 "2005-03-14T20:43:15Z")
> [@Hypno-Toad](#): > > ICaprica Boomer shot one of the Caprica Sixes. Why would she do that but to keep that particular Six from acting towards different goals? She was trying to ingratiate herself with Helo. Six transfered to another body. (Must be cool; I could take up smoking again.) 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![jeffh3000](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/34f0e0/32.png) [@jeffh3000](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jeffh3000)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2005, 8:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-1-9-hand-of-god-now-with-lemon-fresh-spoilers/294097/68 "2005-03-14T20:58:34Z")
> [@AmbushBug](#): > > IIRC, the Galactica had a bunch of news reporters aboard covering her decommissioning and being turned into a museum. A bunch more may have been accompanying the secretary of education to the Galactica in her capacity as the governmental representative opening the museum, to continue the coverage. That however doesn’t really mean anything, because one has to assume that the stations/companies that most of these people worked for were destroyed when the cylons came, so technically they aren’t really reporters any more. There also isn’t any mechanism to support this large crew of reporters, meaning they have no way to actually report anything, not to mention the market size can’t support that many news people. They are an unrealistic percentage of the total population. ---
**Author:** ![jeffh3000](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/34f0e0/32.png) [@jeffh3000](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jeffh3000)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2005, 9:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-1-9-hand-of-god-now-with-lemon-fresh-spoilers/294097/69 "2005-03-14T21:34:48Z")
> [@hypno-toad](#): > > > [@](#): > > > > Originally Posted by Malodorous > > At the end of the miniseries, the Cylon’s state pretty clearly that they want to hunt down and destroy the Galactica so that future humans won’t come a’ lookin for revenge. They also have made several fairly serious attempts to destroy the ship. And they exploded a bomb right in the face of Adama, whom they think is the only person who knows where Earth is. I think they want to wipe out humanity, for whatever purpose. > > > > Of course “God” may have a plan he hasn’t told the Cylons about yet, or is only telling them in pieces. > > It could be that there are some Cylons with different plans that the rest. Perhaps the Caprica Cylons are trying to see if Humans and Cylons can’t just get along. The ones pursuing the fleet seem bent on destruction. But maybe not all of them. The Six who may or may not be in Baltars head certainly seems to want him to stay alive. And remember, Caprica Boomer shot one of the Caprica Sixes. Why would she do that but to keep that particular Six from acting towards different goals? Well I think that the problem is that there cylons like the boomers, that have the tendancy to go a little off due to being “too human”. I don’t really think that there has actually been much devation at all in the master plan however. It is has been implyed that the goal of all cylons is to find earth, as shown in “flesh and bone” in starbucks conversation with the cylon. The reality is that it would be rather easy for the cylons to blow up ships. You are making the assumption that they are really trying to destroy the fleet. There have been clear indications that this is not the case. They have a plan for the remaining humans even if what it is may be unclear. They are simply using threat of destruction to corral the humans towards the cylon goal. ---
**Author:** ![jeffh3000](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/34f0e0/32.png) [@jeffh3000](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jeffh3000)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2005, 9:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-1-9-hand-of-god-now-with-lemon-fresh-spoilers/294097/70 "2005-03-14T21:35:30Z")
> [@hypno-toad](#): > > > [@](#): > > > > Originally Posted by Malodorous > > At the end of the miniseries, the Cylon’s state pretty clearly that they want to hunt down and destroy the Galactica so that future humans won’t come a’ lookin for revenge. They also have made several fairly serious attempts to destroy the ship. And they exploded a bomb right in the face of Adama, whom they think is the only person who knows where Earth is. I think they want to wipe out humanity, for whatever purpose. > > > > Of course “God” may have a plan he hasn’t told the Cylons about yet, or is only telling them in pieces. > > It could be that there are some Cylons with different plans that the rest. Perhaps the Caprica Cylons are trying to see if Humans and Cylons can’t just get along. The ones pursuing the fleet seem bent on destruction. But maybe not all of them. The Six who may or may not be in Baltars head certainly seems to want him to stay alive. And remember, Caprica Boomer shot one of the Caprica Sixes. Why would she do that but to keep that particular Six from acting towards different goals? Well I think that the problem is that there are cylons like the boomers, that have the tendancy to go a little off due to being “too human”. I don’t really think that there has actually been much devation at all in the master plan however. It is has been implyed that the goal of all cylons is to find earth, as shown in “flesh and bone” in starbucks conversation with the cylon. The reality is that it would be rather easy for the cylons to blow up ships. You are making the assumption that they are really trying to destroy the fleet. There have been clear indications that this is not the case. They have a plan for the remaining humans even if what it is may be unclear. They are simply using threat of destruction to corral the humans towards the cylon goal. ---
**Author:** ![Malodorous](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e47774/32.png) [@Malodorous](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Malodorous)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2005, 10:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-1-9-hand-of-god-now-with-lemon-fresh-spoilers/294097/71 "2005-03-14T22:07:13Z")
> [@jeffh3000](#): > > The reality is that it would be rather easy for the cylons to blow up ships. They don’t want to just take out a few of the ships though, they want to destroy the fleet. The best way to do this is to take out Galactica and leave the fleet defenseless (and apparently without water), so they’ve used what Cylon agents they have to try and take out Galactica. All of the attempts so far to destroy the ship appear to have been in earnest. > [@](#): > > You are making the assumption that they are really trying to destroy the fleet. There have been clear indications that this is not the case. They fired an atomic bomb at the Galactica, removed thier water supply, sent a human bomb at the magazine, tried to ram the Galactica with a nuke carrying civilian vessel, etc. > [@](#): > > They have a plan for the remaining humans even if what it is may be unclear. They are simply using threat of destruction to corral the humans towards the cylon goal. Maybe, but they really seem to be cutting it close if their faking it in their attempts to destroy the fleet. ---
**Author:** ![Althea](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/eada6e/32.png) [@Althea](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Althea)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2005, 10:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-1-9-hand-of-god-now-with-lemon-fresh-spoilers/294097/72 "2005-03-14T22:51:31Z")
> [@jeffh3000](#): > > That however doesn’t really mean anything, because one has to assume that the stations/companies that most of these people worked for were destroyed when the cylons came, so technically they aren’t really reporters any more. There also isn’t any mechanism to support this large crew of reporters, meaning they have no way to actually report anything, not to mention the market size can’t support that many news people. They are an unrealistic percentage of the total population. I think the press corps is reporting to the other ships. At what appears to be one reporter per ship, the market size would be exactly right for that. There is no economy that we’ve seen, so standard supply and demand issues re: ad revenue etc. are moot, unrealistic percentage of the population or not. ---
**Author:** ![jeffh3000](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/34f0e0/32.png) [@jeffh3000](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jeffh3000)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2005, 11:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-1-9-hand-of-god-now-with-lemon-fresh-spoilers/294097/73 "2005-03-14T23:18:36Z")
> [@Malodorous](#): > > They don’t want to just take out a few of the ships though, they want to destroy the fleet. The best way to do this is to take out Galactica and leave the fleet defenseless (and apparently without water), so they’ve used what Cylon agents they have to try and take out Galactica. All of the attempts so far to destroy the ship appear to have been in earnest. > > They fired an atomic bomb at the Galactica, removed thier water supply, sent a human bomb at the magazine, tried to ram the Galactica with a nuke carrying civilian vessel, etc. > > Maybe, but they really seem to be cutting it close if their faking it in their attempts to destroy the fleet. Oh I agree that they want to take everyone out, I just think that they want to make a few hybrids and find earth first(so they can destroy humans there too). They are getting them to Kobol, then earth, then everyone can die. I think that is the basic master plan involving humans. ---
**Author:** ![HPL](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/3da27b/32.png) [@HPL](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HPL)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2005, 11:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-1-9-hand-of-god-now-with-lemon-fresh-spoilers/294097/74 "2005-03-14T23:27:02Z")
> [@Munch](#): > > I believe HPL’s comment was a direct reference to Austin Powers: International Man of Mystery, where Number Two is briefing Dr. Evil on their assets since Dr. Evil had been recovered from suspended animation. He was using a table full of little plastic models of various factories they owned, and the payoff joke was that one of the factories made little plastic models of factories (thus explaining where all the models came from). Thank you, Munch. I was wondering if anyone was going to get the reference. ---
**Author:** ![Munch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/munch/32/5281_2.png) [@Munch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Munch)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2005, 11:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-1-9-hand-of-god-now-with-lemon-fresh-spoilers/294097/75 "2005-03-14T23:37:28Z")
Yup. I hated having to explain it (as explaining a joke simply ruins it), but your comment was being taken entirely too seriously! But it was a poignant observation - where DO they get all those models? ---
**Author:** ![BraheSilver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ecccb3/32.png) [@BraheSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BraheSilver)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2005, 11:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-1-9-hand-of-god-now-with-lemon-fresh-spoilers/294097/76 "2005-03-14T23:49:10Z")
Perhaps they came from the gift shop being set up when Galactica was supposed to be turned into a museum in the beginning? 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Munch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/munch/32/5281_2.png) [@Munch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Munch)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2005, 12:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-1-9-hand-of-god-now-with-lemon-fresh-spoilers/294097/77 "2005-03-15T00:01:52Z")
That’s actually a really good answer! You know there’s a store room full of BSG spoons, magnets and decorative plates somewhere. Maybe even starship license plates with assorted first names on them. ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2005, 12:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-1-9-hand-of-god-now-with-lemon-fresh-spoilers/294097/78 "2005-03-15T00:15:38Z")
Y’know, “Items from the Galactica Museum Gift Shop” wouldn’t be a bad angle for the show’s tie-in merchandising. Keyfobs, iron-on patches, that sort of thing. Hey Ron Moore! You listening? 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![BraheSilver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ecccb3/32.png) [@BraheSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BraheSilver)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2005, 12:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-1-9-hand-of-god-now-with-lemon-fresh-spoilers/294097/79 "2005-03-15T00:57:30Z")
> [@Munch](#): > > That’s actually a really good answer! You know there’s a store room full of BSG spoons, magnets and decorative plates somewhere. Maybe even starship license plates with assorted first names on them. “Let’s see here… Starback, Starbeck, Starbick, Starbock, Starbyck. What kind of a name is Starbock?” ---
**Author:** ![deadeyesdad](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/dec6dc/32.png) [@deadeyesdad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/deadeyesdad)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2005, 2:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-1-9-hand-of-god-now-with-lemon-fresh-spoilers/294097/80 "2005-03-15T02:52:46Z")
The Hand of God" Sheba, Apollo, Cassiopeia and Starbuck retreat to an ancient navigation dome aboard the battlestar, where they intercept mysterious, fragmented transmissions (recognizable as those from the 1969 Apollo moon landings). As they attempt to enlist Boomer’s electronics/communications knowledge with the transmissions, the fleet faces a Cylon basestar. Instead of running, Adama orders a military strike. Both Apollo and Starbuck volunteer to take Baltar’s Cylon Raider to the basestar to infiltrate and cripple the ship’s systems, to give the Galactica a better chance of victory. Baltar bargains for his freedom in return for tactical data. The Galactica (and Apollo/Starbuck’s mission) is successful; the Cylon base ship is destroyed and the fleet departs their galaxy, in search of Earth. [Battlestar Galactice](http://www.battlestargalactica.com/classicguide.htm) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-1-9-hand-of-god-now-with-lemon-fresh-spoilers/294097.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-1-9-hand-of-god-now-with-lemon-fresh-spoilers/294097.md?page=5)