# Battlestar Galactica 1.9: "Tigh Me Up, Tigh Me Down" (spoiler spoiler burning bright) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [March 4, 2005, 10:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-1-9-tigh-me-up-tigh-me-down-spoiler-spoiler-burning-bright/292981 "2005-03-04T22:14:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Zebra](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/c0e974/32.png) [@Zebra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zebra)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2005, 8:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-1-9-tigh-me-up-tigh-me-down-spoiler-spoiler-burning-bright/292981/21 "2005-03-05T20:40:53Z")
**Munch** I used the spoilers before the show was broadcast. ---
**Author:** ![Terminus\_Est](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/terminus_est/32/3087_2.png) [@Terminus\_Est](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terminus_Est)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2005, 8:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-1-9-tigh-me-up-tigh-me-down-spoiler-spoiler-burning-bright/292981/22 "2005-03-05T20:51:18Z")
> [@Munch](#): > > Okay, can we finally have some agreement on this?!? > > Look at the spoiler use in this thread: > > 1. \*\*Zebra \*\*uses spoilers that are for this show (even though the subject line of the thread indicates the thread contains spoilers). > > 2. \*\*jeffh3000 \*\*has spoilers that are for future episodes, but fails to mention that until you’re actually IN the spoiler. Note: doing so is entirely counter-productive. > > 3. \*\*ddgryphon \*\*has a spoiler that doesn’t even spoil anything - it’s merely a question pertaining to one particular scene that has no relevance to the overall plot! > > Is it really that hard to label what is in your spoiler box? Simply say, “spoiler for future episodes” or “needless spoiler that has been mentioned several times in the thread already” or “I just like using coding because it makes me feel helpful when I’m actually being anti-helpful”. > > :mad: This bears repeating. Label what the frak your spoilers are supposed to be! Just use one of these handy types: [ul] [li]Speculation[/li][li]Spoilers for the current episode[/li][li]Spoilers for future episodes[/li][/ul] Thank you for your attention. ---
**Author:** ![jeffh3000](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/34f0e0/32.png) [@jeffh3000](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jeffh3000)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2005, 9:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-1-9-tigh-me-up-tigh-me-down-spoiler-spoiler-burning-bright/292981/23 "2005-03-05T21:39:11Z")
> [@HPL](#): > > I kept thinking…Surely there is a way to parallel process these samples? I’m sure there is a bottleneck in place(probably at the nuke) but shouldn’t there be a way to pipeline some of the other samples while one is using the bottleneck? > > Also Balter mentioned something about “not taking any time off for sleep”. Isn’t this entire process automatic? Couldn’t he sleep while one is running? Right, exactly, I feel this whole segment was bad writing. If it takes hours, then why can they just do many at once. All he does is sit around waiting for the results from what we saw in the episode. Also what ever happened to Lt Gaeta assisting him? Other than poor writing, the only logical conclusion I can come to is that Balter is doing this on purpose, trying to slow down the results process, and retain control. As I commented before, since we know he continuously lies, we don’t know really know the truth behind the cylon detector’s workings. ---
**Author:** ![Zebra](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/c0e974/32.png) [@Zebra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zebra)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2005, 9:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-1-9-tigh-me-up-tigh-me-down-spoiler-spoiler-burning-bright/292981/24 "2005-03-05T21:42:57Z")
Six did mention in the episode that the results are the same no matter who takes the test and she asks what the results really said and Gaius says he won’t tell. ---
**Author:** ![jeffh3000](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/34f0e0/32.png) [@jeffh3000](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jeffh3000)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2005, 9:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-1-9-tigh-me-up-tigh-me-down-spoiler-spoiler-burning-bright/292981/25 "2005-03-05T21:48:53Z")
> [@Munch](#): > > Is it really that hard to label what is in your spoiler box? Simply say, “spoiler for future episodes” or “needless spoiler that has been mentioned several times in the thread already” or “I just like using coding because it makes me feel helpful when I’m actually being anti-helpful”. The box is labeled spoiler. A spoiler is pretty much by definition something that gives away future information. That is what “spoiler” means. If you don’t want to learn about it, then don’t read it. ---
**Author:** ![Munch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/munch/32/5281_2.png) [@Munch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Munch)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2005, 11:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-1-9-tigh-me-up-tigh-me-down-spoiler-spoiler-burning-bright/292981/26 "2005-03-05T23:01:10Z")
> [@jeffh3000](#): > > The box is labeled spoiler. A spoiler is pretty much by definition something that gives away future information. That is what “spoiler” means. If you don’t want to learn about it, then don’t read it. Exactly. And that’s why I pointed out that the other two examples were of information that was already given out. And because of the confusion (that happens _week after week_), it is helpful for everyone to label what their spoiler is. The problem is that while your definition is how I define what a spoiler is, other posters seem to feel it necessary to put information that’s already known in a box. Seriously, is it really asking to much to do the following? > [@](#): > > Spoiler for future episodes: > > Spoiler information for a future episode Cervaise, since you’re usually the one who starts the thread each week (and gives some fantastic speculation/recaps/things to watch for, could you maybe post a little review of how we should treat spoilers? The guidelines the folks in the “Lost” threads seem to have a dandy one. ---
**Author:** ![Tangent](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tangent/32/3098_2.png) [@Tangent](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tangent)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2005, 12:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-1-9-tigh-me-up-tigh-me-down-spoiler-spoiler-burning-bright/292981/27 "2005-03-06T00:15:02Z")
I agree with **Munch**. ---
**Author:** ![Lumpy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lumpy/32/446_2.png) [@Lumpy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lumpy)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2005, 12:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-1-9-tigh-me-up-tigh-me-down-spoiler-spoiler-burning-bright/292981/28 "2005-03-06T00:27:57Z")
Nothing much to contribute, except that Ellen Tighe is the worst skank I have ever seen. She couldn’t be a Cylon- they have standards. ---
**Author:** ![jimmmy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/73ab20/32.png) [@jimmmy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jimmmy)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2005, 12:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-1-9-tigh-me-up-tigh-me-down-spoiler-spoiler-burning-bright/292981/29 "2005-03-06T00:53:04Z")
One thing I thought that was particularly well done was _Spoiler of the current episode_ They speculate and throw out there that Adama might be a Cylon, build it up. We see Baltar & Six screwing around, cut to the scene of Adama’s Raptor lands opens and we see a leg in a red dress – it looks for all the world for a second like Six is with him before he introduces Tighe to his wife… but for a second I couldn’t believe it – IMO very well done Anyway – I echo the WTF was the point of the Cylon raider. I am still not entirely clear what the point of the Caprica experiment was either … ---
**Author:** ![msmith537](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/d9b06d/32.png) [@msmith537](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/msmith537)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2005, 4:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-1-9-tigh-me-up-tigh-me-down-spoiler-spoiler-burning-bright/292981/30 "2005-03-06T04:14:13Z")
> [@MaddyStrut](#): > > I liked the episode. The timing was right to have something more humorous after all the heavy episodes (especially the one last week). > > But why, with something as important as a cylon detector, do they have only one guy (and a nutcase at that) performing all the tests and seeing the results? Why is no one repeating his tests or verifying that proceedures and test protocol (do they have any) are followed? I realize they’re short on people, but surely they can find someone to train in basic lab procedures. I think they are short of equipment to make more detectors (isn’t one of the parts an A-bomb)? I liked where Starbuck walked in on Balthar banging Six (who of course she can’t see). ---
**Author:** ![Tangent](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tangent/32/3098_2.png) [@Tangent](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tangent)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2005, 4:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-1-9-tigh-me-up-tigh-me-down-spoiler-spoiler-burning-bright/292981/31 "2005-03-06T04:15:50Z")
I thought the dinner party was pretty funny. Especially when Ellen yells, “Boo!” Then, just after Ellen and Tigh leave, comes my favorite exchange of the episode: **President Roslin** : “You actually think THAT woman is a Cylon?” **Lee Adama** : “Well, if she’s not, then we’re all in a LOT of trouble.” 😃 Hee Hee. ---
**Author:** ![HPL](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/3da27b/32.png) [@HPL](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HPL)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2005, 4:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-1-9-tigh-me-up-tigh-me-down-spoiler-spoiler-burning-bright/292981/32 "2005-03-06T04:43:11Z")
> [@msmith537](#): > > I think they are short of equipment to make more detectors (isn’t one of the parts an A-bomb)? > > I liked where Starbuck walked in on Balthar banging Six (who of course she can’t see). The Nuke is an obvious bottleneck, but do they really need to have it hooked up to the samples the entire time? Couldn’t they have others processing while one is being subjected to the nuke? There has got to be some way to parallel process this thing…assuming that’s the real problem. ---
**Author:** ![HPL](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/3da27b/32.png) [@HPL](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HPL)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2005, 4:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-1-9-tigh-me-up-tigh-me-down-spoiler-spoiler-burning-bright/292981/33 "2005-03-06T04:47:02Z")
> [@jimmmy](#): > > Anyway – I echo the WTF was the point of the Cylon raider. I suspected that Apollo damaged some part of it that controlled it’s FTL drive, either physically or the part of it’s “brain”. Thus trying to jump out and failing, over and over. At the end, it managed to self repair somewhat and decided to go on a kamikaze run, perhaps realizing that it wasn’t going to be able to get home. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2005, 5:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-1-9-tigh-me-up-tigh-me-down-spoiler-spoiler-burning-bright/292981/34 "2005-03-06T05:15:22Z")
Has anybody mentioned yet that Grace Park (Boomer) is in this month’s issue of [Maxim?](http://www.maximonline.com/girls_of_maxim/html/girl_1108.html)😃 ---
**Author:** ![headshok](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/e56c9b/32.png) [@headshok](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/headshok)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2005, 7:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-1-9-tigh-me-up-tigh-me-down-spoiler-spoiler-burning-bright/292981/35 "2005-03-06T07:21:54Z")
I’d just like to say that I’m really looking forward to the premiere of _Mansquito_ next week. 😃 I mean, really, it might be good, but could they have come up with a sillier title for this movie? > [@Lumpy](#): > > Nothing much to contribute, except that Ellen Tighe is the worst skank I have ever seen. She couldn’t be a Cylon- they have standards. I don’t know, I see Ellen as simply another, “older” version of Six. That is, they both seem to operate with a mechanical, blatantly sexual manner when dealing with humans, but have difficulty dealing with the more subtle aspects of human relationships. It seems like neither of them have the faintest clue about what love really is, that it’s more than just rubbing and humping. The most powerful moment of the entire episode for me was toward the end, with Caprica-Six trying to suppress her sadness at being unable to experience what Caprica-Boomer apparently feels for Helo. And now that Cap-Boomer has felt love, she doesn’t want to be a Cylon anymore. Maybe that’s the Cylons’ ultimate weakness, their inability to understand human nature without succumbing to it and becoming human themselves. Maybe that’s what will eventually bring their downfall. Or maybe I don’t know what I’m talking about. I’m assuming Ellen is a Cylon, but I just don’t know. That’s what I love about this show, I’m never quite sure what’s going on. And I want to find out. Badly. ---
**Author:** ![Etherman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/958977/32.png) [@Etherman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Etherman)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2005, 7:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-1-9-tigh-me-up-tigh-me-down-spoiler-spoiler-burning-bright/292981/36 "2005-03-06T07:35:24Z")
> [@Munch](#): > > The problem is that while your definition is how I define what a spoiler is, other posters seem to feel it necessary to put information that’s already known in a box. Seriously, is it really asking to much to do the following? So we should all use the definition of what _you_ know, and when it’s aired for _you_ to define a spoiler? Remember the entire series has aired in the UK. I have seen them(I have a British friend, you see). Shall I just start talking about ep.13 without spoilers simply because I have seen it and spoilers annoy me? Yes, I agree inconsistant use is annoying, but I’d rather see folks err on the side of more spoiler boxes rather than fewer. There will always be people here to which something is a spoiler. You may as well ask if the SDMB can remove spoiler boxes from all discussion of movies over, say, 6 months old, because they are annoying and everyone has seen the movie. It’s an international board, and some poeple see things ahead of others. Some of this info will be a spoiler 6 months from now to _someone_. since all of this has been spoiled in this thread already: As to the Cylon detector. Remeber they don’t have to test everyone. They have to test people until they find one example of each of the models(what is it, nine? I don’t remember for sure, but I do remeber they are aware of this number). Now if the Cylons are smart, they only sent maybe 7 into the population, but still, once they identify the model, thay can do a photographic search, not a DNA search(I assume that is what they are doing). Course that also implies that the detector works, and I got from this episode that it does not. The Cylon scout was there for 2 reasons, I think. One was so Tigh could be the hero at the end, since he was the one that gave the order to launch the alert fighters, and that is what saved the Galactica. The commentary (see posts above) says as much. The other reason is a little more speculative. Remember in ep. 6 when Boomer tells Chief whatshisname that he should think of the captured raider as an animal not a machine? What would a wounded animal do? The Cylon gets wounded, runs around, freaks out, and in it’s confusion, tries to approach something that resembles it’s alpha(a very large ship) while being chased by things it does not recognize(vipers), so gets scared and runs(jumps) at random, and finally just lashes out and attacks. ---
**Author:** ![Terminus\_Est](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/terminus_est/32/3087_2.png) [@Terminus\_Est](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terminus_Est)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2005, 7:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-1-9-tigh-me-up-tigh-me-down-spoiler-spoiler-burning-bright/292981/37 "2005-03-06T07:43:22Z")
> [@Etherman](#): > > So we should all use the definition of what _you_ know, and when it’s aired for _you_ to define a spoiler? Remember the entire series has aired in the UK. I have seen them(I have a British friend, you see). Shall I just start talking about ep.13 without spoilers simply because I have seen it and spoilers annoy me? Yes, I agree inconsistant use is annoying, but I’d rather see folks err on the side of more spoiler boxes rather than fewer. There will always be people here to which something is a spoiler. You may as well ask if the SDMB can remove spoiler boxes from all discussion of movies over, say, 6 months old, because they are annoying and everyone has seen the movie. It’s an international board, and some poeple see things ahead of others. Some of this info will be a spoiler 6 months from now to _someone_. I agree that it is better to err on the side of more spoiler boxes. What we ask is that you indicate what is in that spoiler box. Others can then decide whether they wish to read what’s in that spoiler. If it’s speculation, I’ll read it. If it’s spoilers the current episode (i.e., the episode named in the thread title), I won’t read it until after I’ve seen the episode. If it’s spoilers for a future episode, I won’t read it. I repeat, please **indicate what the frak is in your spoiler box**. ---
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2005, 9:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-1-9-tigh-me-up-tigh-me-down-spoiler-spoiler-burning-bright/292981/38 "2005-03-06T09:13:32Z")
I’m thinking Ellen isn’t a Cylon, but I’m really suspicious about this “savior” of hers that grabbed her off Picon, got her on a the Rising Star, and apparently took care of her for something like three weeks while she was unconscious. Whoever rescued her was probably a Cylon, and that Cylon is probably still in the Fleet. It could have been Leoben, although they found him hiding on a different ship. Still, there could be more than the one Leoben. Or Doral. Or a model we haven’t seen yet. I think this greatly increases the chances Ellen may have a Cylon chip in her head. Part of the reason they decided to chip Baltar I’m sure was that the most important thing to Baltar is Baltar. He’d never put himself (or the chip) in jeopardy by admitting he was compromised by Cylons. Ellen is the same way. She couldn’t care less about the survival of humanity, as long as Ellen gets lots of booze & pretty much whatever else Ellen wants. Why waste one of their models on her? They’ve only got 12. Easier to just chip her and have her do what they want, _plus_ she’s Tigh’s wife. Six definitely saw something in Ellen, yet didn’t come right out and say “Cylon.” Maybe she can sense another chipped human? Question about Six based on a future episode: At the end, she asked Baltar what Ellen’s test result _really_ was and Baltar said he’d never tell. So Baltar can keep secrets from Six? Yet after Baltar sleeps with Starbuck and Six gets mad at him, she tells Baltar he can’t lie to her because she knows everything he knows. So is Six lying, and she really doesn’t know everything Baltar knows? Could this be a weakness that Baltar can exploit at some future date? We know Baltar can multitask. I’ve always hoped that means he can hide things from Six. ---
**Author:** ![msmith537](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/d9b06d/32.png) [@msmith537](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/msmith537)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2005, 4:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-1-9-tigh-me-up-tigh-me-down-spoiler-spoiler-burning-bright/292981/39 "2005-03-06T16:32:27Z")
> [@jimmmy](#): > > Anyway – I echo the WTF was the point of the Cylon raider. It was simply a plot device so Tigh could show he’s still on the job. Of course, why the Galactica could not have taken out the fighter with it’s anti-aircraft guns is another story. > [@jimmmy](#): > > I am still not entirely clear what the point of the Caprica experiment was either … I get a sense from the conversation between Six and the other Cyclon is that they are trying to feel more “human”. Of course, they still haven’t given a reason for starting the war in the first place. ---
**Author:** ![HPL](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/3da27b/32.png) [@HPL](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HPL)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2005, 8:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-1-9-tigh-me-up-tigh-me-down-spoiler-spoiler-burning-bright/292981/40 "2005-03-06T20:46:55Z")
> [@silenus](#): > > Has anybody mentioned yet that Grace Park (Boomer) is in this month’s issue of [Maxim?](http://www.maximonline.com/girls_of_maxim/html/girl_1108.html)😃 I think it was mentioned a couple episodes back. Strangely, I think she’s more attractive on the show then in the photos provided. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-1-9-tigh-me-up-tigh-me-down-spoiler-spoiler-burning-bright/292981.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-1-9-tigh-me-up-tigh-me-down-spoiler-spoiler-burning-bright/292981.md?page=3)