# Battlestar Galactica 2.10 — "Pegasus" (no spoilers in OP: see scheduling note) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [September 23, 2005, 9:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-2-10-pegasus-no-spoilers-in-op-see-scheduling-note/323126 "2005-09-23T21:10:09Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![SlyFrog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a3d4f5/32.png) [@SlyFrog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlyFrog)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2005, 10:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-2-10-pegasus-no-spoilers-in-op-see-scheduling-note/323126/81 "2005-09-25T22:52:40Z")
> [@Merijeek](#): > > The neck was a certain instant death, a slow death from radiation poisoning wouldn’t have been. So, maybe she didn’t see it as being so bad. Of course, she was also very responsible for the slow death from radiation poisoning for millions of people. 🙂 Oh yes, she also seemed to get quite a kick out of toying with and beating the shit out of Starbuck. She pretty clearly could have put Starbuck down quickly, but played with her like a cat with a mouse. She does not appear to have problems with violence against women, so long as she’s not the recipient. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Merijeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f05b48/32.png) [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2005, 10:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-2-10-pegasus-no-spoilers-in-op-see-scheduling-note/323126/82 "2005-09-25T22:59:46Z")
> [@SlyFrog](#): > > Of course, she was also very responsible for the slow death from radiation poisoning for millions of people. 🙂 > > Oh yes, she also seemed to get quite a kick out of toying with and beating the shit out of Starbuck. She pretty clearly could have put Starbuck down quickly, but played with her like a cat with a mouse. She does not appear to have problems with violence against women, so long as she’s not the recipient. 🙂 Naturally. A lot of things people find objectionable when others do it aren’t so bad when they do it (rape and murder taking this idea to an extreme, of course). Lots of people: People shouldn’t cheat on their taxes! It’s wrong! Well, sure I do it, but that’s only because my taxes are so much of a burden. Don’t lecture me on what would happen if everyone did it! I’m not saying everyone should do it! That would destroy the government. I’m saying that it’s okay for me and only me to do it! Why are you so stupid you can’t see the difference? -Joe, takes the fifth ---
**Author:** ![tracer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tracer/32/20578_2.png) [@tracer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tracer)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2005, 11:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-2-10-pegasus-no-spoilers-in-op-see-scheduling-note/323126/83 "2005-09-25T23:54:26Z")
> [@Merijeek](#): > > Naturally. A lot of things people find objectionable when others do it aren’t so bad when they do it (rape and murder taking this idea to an extreme, of course). And don’t forget torture. Baltar’s-head-Six was shocked and appalled when she saw Pegasus-Six beaten and broken on the floor of her cell, but Caprica-Six showed no remorse in treating the women of Caprica as baby-factory cattle, or in slapping Caprica-Boomer around. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2005, 12:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-2-10-pegasus-no-spoilers-in-op-see-scheduling-note/323126/84 "2005-09-26T00:32:52Z")
Unanswered question: How did the Pegasus identify their Six as a Cylon? ---
**Author:** ![Zebra](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/c0e974/32.png) [@Zebra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zebra)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2005, 1:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-2-10-pegasus-no-spoilers-in-op-see-scheduling-note/323126/85 "2005-09-26T01:26:15Z")
> [@silenus](#): > > Unanswered question: How did the Pegasus identify their Six as a Cylon? Well they may have seen more than one copy of six and just realized that she is a Cylon. Why can’t the President or the Council of 12 promote Adama to Admiral and or demote Cain. And what the hell is it" Cane Kane (Is her first name Kandy) Cain Caine Kainetty (the tty is silent) ---
**Author:** ![Rillian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bcef8e/32.png) [@Rillian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rillian)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2005, 1:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-2-10-pegasus-no-spoilers-in-op-see-scheduling-note/323126/86 "2005-09-26T01:32:39Z")
> [@Curate](#): > > 1. Was the Pegasus spacecraft with 48 kill markings a Raptor? If somebody can get 48 kills in a Raptor, what kid of records do their Vipers have? In this case it would seem that the Galactica folks might really have something to learn from the Pegasus air wing. IIRC, the Admiral’s Raptor was escorted by 2+ Vipers when they came over to Galactica. All enter the landing bay and the Raptor peels off to an landing elevator while the Vipers continue ahead to land in the “Viper trap”. Later we see the Pegasus Vipers in the hanger with one having the 48 kill markings. Wonder why the Raptors are VTOL while the Vipers have to land at high speed? ---
**Author:** ![Rillian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bcef8e/32.png) [@Rillian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rillian)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2005, 1:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-2-10-pegasus-no-spoilers-in-op-see-scheduling-note/323126/87 "2005-09-26T01:34:24Z")
I say they should have skipped the “how did you get here” talk in Adama’s cabin and gone right to “here’s who we have identified as Cylons, who have you identified?” ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2005, 2:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-2-10-pegasus-no-spoilers-in-op-see-scheduling-note/323126/88 "2005-09-26T02:42:23Z")
> [@Rillian](#): > > Wonder why the Raptors are VTOL while the Vipers have to land at high speed? They play different roles. The Vipers fly very fast and shoot at other folks. The raptors land on planets, make jumps, transport people and things between ships. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2005, 2:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-2-10-pegasus-no-spoilers-in-op-see-scheduling-note/323126/89 "2005-09-26T02:48:10Z")
Vipers are F14s, Raptors are helicopters. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Tooth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c67d28/32.png) [@The\_Tooth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Tooth)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2005, 2:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-2-10-pegasus-no-spoilers-in-op-see-scheduling-note/323126/90 "2005-09-26T02:56:32Z")
> [@Zebra](#): > > Well they may have seen more than one copy of six and just realized that she is a Cylon. Why would they jump to that conclusion? Baltar knew Cylons looked human because Six told him so. Adama only found out because Leoben told him so. They waited some time before telling the rest of the Galactica fleet of this little wrinkle. Why would anyone on board the Pegasus suspect Cylons look human? ---
**Author:** ![Hypno-Toad](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/b2d939/32.png) [@Hypno-Toad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hypno-Toad)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2005, 3:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-2-10-pegasus-no-spoilers-in-op-see-scheduling-note/323126/91 "2005-09-26T03:28:44Z")
Unless I’m forgetting something, this was the first time that Baltar admitted his love for Six. That seems to be quite a milestone for him. ---
**Author:** ![Critical1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/3e96dc/32.png) [@Critical1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Critical1)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2005, 5:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-2-10-pegasus-no-spoilers-in-op-see-scheduling-note/323126/92 "2005-09-26T05:09:36Z")
the act of rape has nothing to do with the victim at all, it never has. rape only tells us about the rapist or in this case a large protion of the pegasus crew. ---
**Author:** ![MEBuckner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mebuckner/32/2896_2.png) [@MEBuckner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MEBuckner)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2005, 5:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-2-10-pegasus-no-spoilers-in-op-see-scheduling-note/323126/93 "2005-09-26T05:11:50Z")
> [@tracer](#): > > The shows near the end of the First Season convinced me that the President of the Colonies **DOES NOT** have the same powers as the President of the United States. > > Specifically, it is blatantly obvious that she is **not** , in fact, the Commander In Chief. Near the end of the first season, she wanted to use the captured Cylon Raider to jump back to caprica and retrieve the Arrow of Apollo. Commander Adama **refused.** And it was clear that the President **did not** have the power to order Adama around. Adama simply said “It’s a military decision,” and that was that. > > My guess is the relationship between the Colonial Military and the President is similar to the relationship between the Emperor of Ancient Rome and the Ancient Roman army. The army had the duty of protecting the Roman civilian population; but, while the Emperor was the head of the civilian population, the army had a considerable degree of autonomy, and would only follow the Emperor if they were on good terms with him. I think there can be a distinction between legal authority and actual power. In this country, we have been fortunate in that the legal authority and actual power of the civilian President over the armed forces have remained congruent; when Truman (at the time not even that popular a president) fired MacArthur (a highly decorated and charismatic general), MacArthur stayed fired and didn’t mount a coup or anything like that. However, if the entire country were devastated in a nuclear war, and the American population were reduced to a relative handful of people escaped in a ragtag fleet of fishing vessels, a container ship or two, and maybe a cruise ship, all under the protection of the last remaining U.S. aircraft carrier, the dynamics between the commander of that warship and the ex-Secretary of Education might be rather different than what the relationship between the President of the United States and the armed fordces had been before the war. My guess is that Adama’s actions in refusing the president’s orders, let alone deposing her, were definitely illegal, unconstitutional, contrary to the Articles of Colonization, or however you want to put it; whereas she would, strictly speaking, be within her rights to order him around, micromange and meddle in his military decision-making (whether or not it would be _wise_ to do so), relieve him of command, etc. But, under the circumstances, he’s got all the guns. ---
**Author:** ![Smeghead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f1d935/32.png) [@Smeghead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smeghead)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2005, 7:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-2-10-pegasus-no-spoilers-in-op-see-scheduling-note/323126/94 "2005-09-26T07:42:55Z")
I just now finally got around to watching this episode. I don’t have anything to add to the discussion, other than: DAMN! :eek: :eek: What a great show. ---
**Author:** ![BooBoo316](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e0b2c6/32.png) [@BooBoo316](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BooBoo316)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2005, 9:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-2-10-pegasus-no-spoilers-in-op-see-scheduling-note/323126/95 "2005-09-26T09:59:09Z")
> [@Merijeek](#): > > Let’s also remember that while raping the Cylons is bad…it’s not even a crime to murder one! > > Joe Great show. Right, didn’t Cally get 30 days in the brig for discharging a firearm or something? ---
**Author:** ![Eleanor\_of\_Aquitaine](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/a88e4f/32.png) [@Eleanor\_of\_Aquitaine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eleanor_of_Aquitaine)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2005, 1:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-2-10-pegasus-no-spoilers-in-op-see-scheduling-note/323126/96 "2005-09-26T13:13:03Z")
I thought it was interesting that Baltar told the PegaSix that “he couldn’t stop thinking about” his Six. Was that an indication that he now believes that she’s only a figment of his imagination? And if she is, then her horror at seeing PegaSix was really Baltar’s horror projected onto her. It was how he would imagine her to react. I didn’t like Baltar’s character at first (I kept calling him Dr. Smith) but he keeps getting more interesting. ---
**Author:** ![Merijeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f05b48/32.png) [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2005, 1:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-2-10-pegasus-no-spoilers-in-op-see-scheduling-note/323126/97 "2005-09-26T13:23:05Z")
> [@BooBoo316](#): > > Great show. > > Right, didn’t Cally get 30 days in the brig for discharging a firearm or something? I believe it was “unauthorized discharge of a firearm”. The fact that a Cylon caught the bullet seemed unimportant. -Joe ---
**Author:** ![SlyFrog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a3d4f5/32.png) [@SlyFrog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlyFrog)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2005, 1:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-2-10-pegasus-no-spoilers-in-op-see-scheduling-note/323126/98 "2005-09-26T13:27:01Z")
> [@Eleanor of Aquitaine](#): > > I thought it was interesting that Baltar told the PegaSix that “he couldn’t stop thinking about” his Six. Was that an indication that he now believes that she’s only a figment of his imagination? And if she is, then her horror at seeing PegaSix was really Baltar’s horror projected onto her. It was how he would imagine her to react. It occurred to me last night that the Pegasus’s violence toward Six could be the spur needed to turn Baltar fully against the humans (until now, he has basically been riding the fence for self-preservation). They are clearly mirroring some of the themes from the old show - Baltar going fully evil could be one of them. ---
**Author:** ![Zebra](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/c0e974/32.png) [@Zebra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zebra)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2005, 1:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-2-10-pegasus-no-spoilers-in-op-see-scheduling-note/323126/99 "2005-09-26T13:34:34Z")
> [@The Tooth](#): > > Why would they jump to that conclusion? Baltar knew Cylons looked human because Six told him so. Adama only found out because Leoben told him so. They waited some time before telling the rest of the Galactica fleet of this little wrinkle. Why would anyone on board the Pegasus suspect Cylons look human? Perhaps one six walked into a room and blew something up like a suicide bomber. Then another six does it, then another. Or maybe this one was caught in the act and confessed to being a Cylon. (note the bruises on her) ---
**Author:** ![Baldwin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/baldwin/32/7264_2.png) [@Baldwin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baldwin)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2005, 1:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-2-10-pegasus-no-spoilers-in-op-see-scheduling-note/323126/100 "2005-09-26T13:34:43Z")
A couple years ago, when I heard the SciFi Channel was planning a new version of “Battlestar Galactica”, I thought they were really hitting the skids. I’ve seldom been more pleasantly suprised. Of course, the show benefits from the better space shows that have appeared in the couple of decades between the old show and the new, such as “Babylon Five”, “Farscape” and “Firefly”. In “Firefly” especially, we started seeing some tricks to lend verisimilitude to CGI space scenes: zooms, “flares”, having to pull objects into focus, quick tracking shots, etc. These all add to the impression of filming real objects with a camera in space. “Battlestar Galactica” used these techniques from the very beginning of the miniseries pilot, and continues to do great space scenes. At the end of the season closer, we see Vipers launch from _Pegasus_, and have a point-of-view from the Viper squadron as it approaches the fleet, with _Galactica_ some kilometers away in mid-view. Then there’s a quick zoom that shows us the Raptor and Vipers heading our way from _Galactica_. Even if the story weren’t interesting, the show is great to look at. (Incidentally, do the crew refer to their ship as “Galactica” or “the Galactica”?) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-2-10-pegasus-no-spoilers-in-op-see-scheduling-note/323126.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-2-10-pegasus-no-spoilers-in-op-see-scheduling-note/323126.md?page=6)