# Battlestar Galactica 2.11 — "Resurrection Ship Part 1" (draidus contact! spoilers!) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [January 5, 2006, 7:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-2-11-resurrection-ship-part-1-draidus-contact-spoilers/338616 "2006-01-05T19:30:20Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Corner\_Case](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/corner_case/32/234_2.png) [@Corner\_Case](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Corner_Case)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2006, 8:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-2-11-resurrection-ship-part-1-draidus-contact-spoilers/338616/101 "2006-01-09T20:06:36Z")
I was put off initially by seeing Starbuck cut engines and glide serenely through the Resurrection Ship. I can’t believe it wouldn’t be detected - asteroid sensors, infrared detectors, brainwave activity, reflections off the cockpit windows, whatever. On a human-run ship with humans monitoring the sensors, yes, but not on the Cylon’s life-line. The Cylon’s had to want to humans to understand that it is the Resurrection Ship. How could Roslyn ever get to the Resurrection Ship to be healed? She’s a Cylon? Interesting, but it alienates her from the humans. Maybe Six Mark 2 kidnaps her and takes her to the Ressurection Ship where “God” heals her. Anyone have the Scriptures? Does it say the dying prophet is spoken to by God? > [@Little Bird](#): > > The Pegasus XO and crew has only been following Cain thus far becuase there has been no other choice for survival. Good point. At first I thought it too cliché for the Pegasus XO to rebel. Now I could see him reconsidering his choice of ruthlessness to save the last shred of humanity at all costs and see the alternative of ending Cain’s ruthlessness in favor of the rag-tag fleet. I can’t see him living after killing Cain, if only because he wouldn’t be able to live with himself after the choices he’s made. ---
**Author:** ![Debaser](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/3da27b/32.png) [@Debaser](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Debaser)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2006, 10:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-2-11-resurrection-ship-part-1-draidus-contact-spoilers/338616/102 "2006-01-09T22:07:38Z")
> [@Corner Case](#): > > The Cylon’s had to want to humans to understand that it is the Resurrection Ship. No. The Cylon’s actions are designed to enhance the drama and excitement of the show, not to make sense. Sometimes the Cylons are all powerful and all knowing. Other times they are slow and stupid. This is entirely dependent on the short term needs of the plot. The shows writers make a quite conscious decision to discard realism to make things more exciting. A good example is one of the early episodes there was a scene were the Galactica needed a sniper. Of course, Starbuck got the job. The writers were discussing this. They basically said that yes, of course this isn’t realistic that she would be the sniper. There would be some specialist sniper on the ship, or at least some marine type who is a good shot. No military outfit would have a pilot also act as a sniper. It doesn’t make any sense. But, they willingly sacrificed that realism for the added excitement of having the main character do that role. They felt it made it more enjoyable to watch. I disagree, of course. BG is a great show. They are doing SciFi in a different way than it’s usually done, and I really dig it. I just wish they would go with realism, not silliness when it comes to these subtle choices. There is no frackin way that Starbuck could fly the Blackbird right through the structure of the enemy ship without being detected. Even more infuriatingly, there was no reason to. The plot didn’t demand it. She could have just hovered nearby and took some pictures. That would have been just fine. But, they feel that they need to go to the extreme with things. Unfortunately, instead of increasing the drama and excitement, it ends up decreasing it. It takes me out of the show when I see something stupid and unrealistic happen like that. ---
**Author:** ![Malodorous](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e47774/32.png) [@Malodorous](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Malodorous)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2006, 10:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-2-11-resurrection-ship-part-1-draidus-contact-spoilers/338616/103 "2006-01-09T22:35:01Z")
> [@Corner Case](#): > > I was put off initially by seeing Starbuck cut engines and glide serenely through the Resurrection Ship. I can’t believe it wouldn’t be detected - asteroid sensors, infrared detectors, brainwave activity, reflections off the cockpit windows, whatever. On a human-run ship with humans monitoring the sensors, yes, but not on the Cylon’s life-line. I didn’t find it that unbelivable the ship could stealth that well. Of course if someone had looked out the window Starbuck would’ve been screwed, but then that’s why it was a gutsy move. Of course one wonders why they didn’t just send her back to do the same thing with a nuke instead of a camera. Woulda made all the attack planning stuff much easier. And if such perfect stealth technology is so easy to create that a ship built with spareparts can have it, why the hell isn’t it on anything (or everything) else in the show. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Bird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/3ec8ea/32.png) [@Little\_Bird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Bird)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2006, 10:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-2-11-resurrection-ship-part-1-draidus-contact-spoilers/338616/104 "2006-01-09T22:50:38Z")
> [@Malodorous](#): > > I didn’t find it that unbelivable the ship could stealth that well. Of course if someone had looked out the window Starbuck would’ve been screwed, but then that’s why it was a gutsy move. > > Of course one wonders why they didn’t just send her back to do the same thing with a nuke instead of a camera. Woulda made all the attack planning stuff much easier. And if such perfect stealth technology is so easy to create that a ship built with spareparts can have it, why the hell isn’t it on anything (or everything) else in the show. They answered your question when planning the mission at the end of the show–The Clyons would instantly be able to spot the nuke. ---
**Author:** ![Malodorous](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e47774/32.png) [@Malodorous](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Malodorous)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2006, 11:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-2-11-resurrection-ship-part-1-draidus-contact-spoilers/338616/105 "2006-01-09T23:19:06Z")
> [@Little Bird](#): > > They answered your question when planning the mission at the end of the show–The Clyons would instantly be able to spot the nuke. Oh yeah, sorry, short memory. In anycase, still seems bizarre no one makes better use of this technology. If the Cylons had a squadron of stealthed fighters, they coulda caught the fleet off guard episodes ago ---
**Author:** ![MacTech](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c0e974/32.png) [@MacTech](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MacTech)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2006, 11:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-2-11-resurrection-ship-part-1-draidus-contact-spoilers/338616/106 "2006-01-09T23:26:52Z")
apparently the Toasters would be able to detect the radiation signature of the nuke since i still haven’t ruled out the vague possibility that Starbuck _could be_ a Toaster, another explination for the “lack of detection” of the Blackbird could be that the Toasters _DID_ detect Starbuck, and allowed her to fly thru the R.S. so they could update her firmware (get your minds out of the gutter, not _that_ kind of firmware…) and implant some new sleeper programming… yes, it’s highly improbable that Starbuck could be a toaster, esp. since events in _The Farm_, when she was going to be hooked up to the Cylon Baby-Matic™ (By ACME!), why would the toasters hook up a meatbag toaster to the BabyMatic™? then again, she did figure out how to fly the Raider rather quickly, and it’s hard to believe the Blackbird was able to make it thru the R.S. undetected, what about human biosigns, wouldn’t they register on sensors or something? ---
**Author:** ![Malodorous](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e47774/32.png) [@Malodorous](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Malodorous)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2006, 11:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-2-11-resurrection-ship-part-1-draidus-contact-spoilers/338616/107 "2006-01-09T23:31:55Z")
> [@MacTech](#): > > then again, she did figure out how to fly the Raider rather quickly, and it’s hard to believe the Blackbird was able to make it thru the R.S. undetected, what about human biosigns, wouldn’t they register on sensors or something? I think that “detecting life signs” is more of a Star Teckism then anything possible in reality. The human body outputs a little heat and some very weak E&M. I doubt that it would be easily detectable through the wall of the blackbird amonst the noise coming from the nearby fleet of Cylon ships. ---
**Author:** ![sturmhauke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e47c2d/32.png) [@sturmhauke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sturmhauke)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2006, 1:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-2-11-resurrection-ship-part-1-draidus-contact-spoilers/338616/108 "2006-01-10T01:07:49Z")
> [@Malodorous](#): > > The human body outputs a little heat and some very weak E&M. That, and people make noise, even if it’s just breathing. The Cylons could possibly bounce a laser microphone off the Blackbird, although even without the stealth paintjob it might be hard to get anything other than the vibration of the engines. ---
**Author:** ![Merijeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f05b48/32.png) [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2006, 1:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-2-11-resurrection-ship-part-1-draidus-contact-spoilers/338616/109 "2006-01-10T01:31:16Z")
> [@Corner Case](#): > > Good point. At first I thought it too cliché for the Pegasus XO to rebel. Now I could see him reconsidering his choice of ruthlessness to save the last shred of humanity at all costs and see the alternative of ending Cain’s ruthlessness in favor of the rag-tag fleet. I can’t see him living after killing Cain, if only because he wouldn’t be able to live with himself after the choices he’s made. See, to me it makes almost too much sense. Look at Cain’s speech to Starbuck about killing all the Cylons…are you telling me she’s going to accomplish this with a Battlestar with a limited number of personnel and fighters? Cain’s plan in senseless - she can’t **WIN** …and that was Roslyn’s entire point. She can kill some Cylons. Whoopie. Eventually there will be a lucky shot or an overwhelming attack or SOMETHING. She can strip all the ships she wants, she’s still not going to win. If the XO comes to the same conclusion… -Joe ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2006, 2:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-2-11-resurrection-ship-part-1-draidus-contact-spoilers/338616/110 "2006-01-10T02:00:35Z")
> [@Merijeek](#): > > Look at Cain’s speech to Starbuck about killing all the Cylons. It’s the Chesty Puller method of Inspiring the Troops. “They have us surrounded. God help the poor bastards, we can fire any direction we want.” Maybe her mind set isn’t on saving 5,000 civilians, but on taking as many of the bastards with her as she can. I can see that if you aren’t into living on Gilligan’s Planet hoping the Professor can reinvent shoe polish, let alone a field effect transistor. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Long\_Road](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b5a626/32.png) [@The\_Long\_Road](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Long_Road)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2006, 3:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-2-11-resurrection-ship-part-1-draidus-contact-spoilers/338616/111 "2006-01-10T03:11:59Z")
> [@sturmhauke](#): > > That, and people make noise, even if it’s just breathing. The Cylons could possibly bounce a laser microphone off the Blackbird, although even without the stealth paintjob it might be hard to get anything other than the vibration of the engines. They don’t know it’s there so they don’t know to bounce anything off of it. If they know it’s there then no sense bouncing anything off of it, just blast away. If they are supposed to be running these things as sensors, then they have to radiate a massive energy field constantly trying to listen for one stealth fighter sneaking up on them. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2006, 4:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-2-11-resurrection-ship-part-1-draidus-contact-spoilers/338616/112 "2006-01-10T04:07:01Z")
> [@The Long Road](#): > > If they are supposed to be running these things as sensors, then they have to radiate a massive energy field constantly trying to listen for one stealth fighter sneaking up on them. The hell else do they have to do? You think they’re watching _Friends_ on the viewscreen? 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2006, 6:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-2-11-resurrection-ship-part-1-draidus-contact-spoilers/338616/113 "2006-01-10T06:43:38Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > You think they’re watching _Friends_ on the viewscreen? All of this has happened before, and all of this has happened again… The perfect description of endless syndication. ---
**Author:** ![sturmhauke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e47c2d/32.png) [@sturmhauke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sturmhauke)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2006, 10:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-2-11-resurrection-ship-part-1-draidus-contact-spoilers/338616/114 "2006-01-10T10:34:39Z")
> [@The Long Road](#): > > They don’t know it’s there so they don’t know to bounce anything off of it. Yeah, I know, I was just elaborating on the life signs thing. “Sensors detect 50,000 humanoid life signs, sir,” is just Trek bullshit technobabble, and I say that as a fan. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2006, 1:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-2-11-resurrection-ship-part-1-draidus-contact-spoilers/338616/115 "2006-01-10T13:31:09Z")
> [@Cervaise](#): > > All of this has happened before, and all of this has happened again… The perfect description of endless syndication. Good point, well taken. ---
**Author:** ![Ponder\_Stibbons](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ponder_stibbons/32/343_2.png) [@Ponder\_Stibbons](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ponder_Stibbons)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2006, 2:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-2-11-resurrection-ship-part-1-draidus-contact-spoilers/338616/116 "2006-01-10T14:02:03Z")
> [@mrklutz](#): > > Maybe Baltar decides help Peg6 escape during the chaos of the fight and brings them along – he needs someone who can fly a shuttle, after all. Hmmm. You don’t suppose they’ll do this, but once in space, Peg #6 says, “I don’t think I want to be prisoner any more …” and takes Baltar with her back to the Cylon fleet? And thus Baltar takes his place with the Cylons as “the traitor”? ---
**Author:** ![DirkGntly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/d9b06d/32.png) [@DirkGntly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DirkGntly)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2006, 3:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-2-11-resurrection-ship-part-1-draidus-contact-spoilers/338616/117 "2006-01-10T15:24:09Z")
> [@Grossbottom](#): > > I think Pegasus isn’t long for this world. It will either be destroyed or driven off to become a recurring plot theme. The average viewer isn’t going to be able to keep track of two crews on two battlestars; the show is complex enough, any farther and they risk complete confusion with the viewing audience. The show is “Battlestar Galactica,” after all. > > First guess: Pegasus driven off by either Adama or Roslyn, another battlestar is too good of a plot device to get rid of so quickly, and too unlikely an event to happen again. > > Second guess: A batshit Admiral Cain does a suicide run into a Cylon basestar, dooming her crew but redeeming herself in that shades-of-gray style that Ron Moore seems to favor. > > We’ll see what happens. Let’s junk some toasters. 🙂 The thing to remember is that these guys are working from some of the original BG material. The whole Cain/Pegasus thing is a re-hash of an original ep from the 70’s BG. In the original ep, Cain does pretty much what **Grossbottom** has suggested here: makes a suicide run on a basestar in a critical battle, but the ship seems to “disappear” and is never heard from again, though it is alluded to by Lorne Greene that he wouldn’t be surprised to see Cain and the Pegasus again sometime. The series just didn’t last long enough for them to re-visit that premise…I think the new series will follow a similar tack. ---
**Author:** ![MacTech](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c0e974/32.png) [@MacTech](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MacTech)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2006, 4:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-2-11-resurrection-ship-part-1-draidus-contact-spoilers/338616/118 "2006-01-10T16:13:51Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > The hell else do they have to do? You think they’re watching _Friends_ on the viewscreen? 🙂 naah, they’re watching **Single Female Lawyer** ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2006, 4:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-2-11-resurrection-ship-part-1-draidus-contact-spoilers/338616/119 "2006-01-10T16:19:56Z")
> [@DirkGntly](#): > > The thing to remember is that these guys are working from some of the original BG material. The whole Cain/Pegasus thing is a re-hash of an original ep from the 70’s BG. In the original ep, Cain does pretty much what **Grossbottom** has suggested here: makes a suicide run on a basestar in a critical battle, but the ship seems to “disappear” and is never heard from again, though it is alluded to by Lorne Greene that he wouldn’t be surprised to see Cain and the Pegasus again sometime. The series just didn’t last long enough for them to re-visit that premise…I think the new series will follow a similar tack. I wouldn’t bet on it. Moore and company seem to enjoy taking source material and standing it on its head. This is a much darker and grayer _BSG_. They aren’t going to just let the Pegasus vanish without some serious heartache and angst. Besides, the only reason the let the Pegasus vanish in the original was so that Sheba could think that her father was still alive somewhere. This version has no Sheba…therefore I think it unlikely that there will be a “happy” ending for the Pegasus and crew. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2006, 4:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-2-11-resurrection-ship-part-1-draidus-contact-spoilers/338616/120 "2006-01-10T16:38:12Z")
Well, there’s also the story that Lloyd Bridges was so good for the show’s ratings that they needed an excuse to bring his character back (but didn’t have the chance). If Roslin is going to be around for a while, there’s going to have to be either a miracle cure (from where?) or some use of the Resurrection technology (and won’t \*that \* be fun?) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-2-11-resurrection-ship-part-1-draidus-contact-spoilers/338616.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-2-11-resurrection-ship-part-1-draidus-contact-spoilers/338616.md?page=7)