# Battlestar Galactica 2.12 — "Resurrection Ship Part 2" (spoilerama) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [January 13, 2006, 8:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-2-12-resurrection-ship-part-2-spoilerama/339870 "2006-01-13T20:20:58Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Snickers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/5daacb/32.png) [@Snickers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snickers)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2006, 2:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-2-12-resurrection-ship-part-2-spoilerama/339870/101 "2006-01-17T14:41:55Z")
I’m not worried about the Pegasus XO - while Fisk talked about carrying on with Cain’s values, I doubt he’ll use her methods. There’s a pretty big difference between the two. In response to someone else’s question, I think Dualla was there listening in to Apollo and Starbuck at the end because she was the one who located him. She’d been listening and listening for a response, and his “I’m sorry, Kara” was just enough for her to locate him. She goes to see him to see if he’s okay, and just happens in on the convo. I’m not entirely happy with the ending - sort of a cop out. ---
**Author:** ![Merijeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f05b48/32.png) [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2006, 3:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-2-12-resurrection-ship-part-2-spoilerama/339870/102 "2006-01-17T15:50:56Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > Why wouldn’t he have done it back when she was slamming his face into mirrors? Rather, how did he figure out how to do it? I figured it was like this. Baltar professes his love (with a customized speech given to him by HeadSix) to GinaSix. GinaSix no longer has a death wish because a Six model has FINALLY achievd True Love - something that, annoyingly, the Boomer model seems to achieve ALL THE TIME. Baltar’s loving GinaSix means that HeadSix is now redundant. Baltar’s embracing GinaSix has, effectively, killed Headsix. Or so I’m guessing. HeadSix was certainly deathly afraid once she realized what was happening. -Joe ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2006, 4:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-2-12-resurrection-ship-part-2-spoilerama/339870/103 "2006-01-17T16:08:36Z")
> [@Merijeek](#): > > Baltar’s embracing GinaSix has, effectively, killed Headsix. I’ll buy that. All three realized what was happening. Cool. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Merijeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f05b48/32.png) [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2006, 4:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-2-12-resurrection-ship-part-2-spoilerama/339870/104 "2006-01-17T16:11:24Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > I’ll buy that. All three realized what was happening. Cool. > 🙂 As a guy whose lower half is quite fond of HeadSix I’m sad to see her go. Something tells me that GinaSix won’t have quite the wardrobe. Of course, I could be completely wrong and we’ll have dueling Sixes. Unfortunately, since only one actually physically exists, the possiblity of an oil-wrestling match is probably pretty ow. -Joe ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Duality](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mr.duality/32/4098_2.png) [@Mr.Duality](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Duality)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2006, 4:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-2-12-resurrection-ship-part-2-spoilerama/339870/105 "2006-01-17T16:13:19Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > I _hate_ that phrase. 🙂 Say something like “Peradventure it shall come to pass.” > > Yes. I think there is a difference killing babies in Dresden because they are where a target is and lining families up against a wall. The latter is Nazi stuff. Was there a legitimate military target in Dresden? If so, please enlighten me. ---
**Author:** ![MMI](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/53a042/32.png) [@MMI](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MMI)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2006, 4:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-2-12-resurrection-ship-part-2-spoilerama/339870/106 "2006-01-17T16:30:54Z")
So pregnant Boomer has explained to Adama how the cylons view humans - kind of as biological robots. They are capable of emulating intelligent behavior but are primarily ruled by instincts and passions and show little capacity for long term planning or desire for self improvement. There just isn’t much in the way of “humanity” or sentience in humans to value or regret destroying. This in many ways parallels the view nearly all humanity has of cylons - unfeeling and obedient processors of information cleverly imitating humans while attempting to destroy them. While I do not know this, I assume that the earlier war ended with mutual exhaustion - that humanity would not have otherwise tolerated the continued existence of their treacherous machines. As far as I can tell there are several humans (Chief, Helo) who are willing to consider that cylons may be more than just toasters, based entirely on the depth of their relationship with a cylon. Some of the chief and helo’s friends, and some of the rest of the crew are willing to tolerate Boomer for the sake of them, and because of her service to the fleet (in defense against cylon attack). Boomer herself takes a somewhat parallel view of humanity - her willingness to betray cylonity is based on emotion, rather than ideological or humanitarian grounds. Neither these humans nor Boomer reject the rightness or truth of their sides view, but are willing to set it aside for personal reasons (at least in a limited scope). I am not sure that the bulk of the fleet would object to the treatment that Cain or Starbuck or the president meted out to prisoners. They would undoubtedly object to Cain’s treatment of the civilian ships, but might easily take her side with respect to Helo and the chief. How they would respond to Adama’s “coddling” of Boomer is difficult to say -why should it get preferential medical treatment and a cozy cell with three square’s a day when so many colonials are crammed in ships under indifferent conditions? Remember that among Galactica’s crew Cally is considered more a hero than anything else for the killing of Boomer 1.0 It seems to me that the only two characters are willing to meaningfully consider enemy individuals as other than faceless subhuman (subsentient) evil . Doc Cottle treats Boomer as a person. Not necessarily human but a person with human rights. Adama, who has been hating them for longer than most, is willing to interact with them as cylons - enemies, but with a intellectual and moral existence. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2006, 4:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-2-12-resurrection-ship-part-2-spoilerama/339870/107 "2006-01-17T16:55:41Z")
> [@Mr. Duality](#): > > Was there a legitimate military target in Dresden? If so, please enlighten me. I believe it was a ball bearing factory. “Bomber” Harris who ran the Allied bombing campaign held the theory that terrorizing the populance would bring the war to an end. A dubious concept, but I still feel that bombing a city that happens to have people in it 1 is different from lining individual people up against the wall and shooting them. 1The Allies targeted the cities, not for example people who fled the cities. This may very well be because Harris didn’t have enpugh aircraft or ordnance to bomb refugees, but I digress and argue against myself. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2006, 5:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-2-12-resurrection-ship-part-2-spoilerama/339870/108 "2006-01-17T17:29:55Z")
Actually, the attack on Dresden was on the railyards, which were, mistakenly it turns out, thought to be filled with trains taking troops to the Eastern Front. They were actually trains taking refugees _away_ from the fighting. But the main reason was to disrupt the Nazi sullpy lines and command/control links to aid the Russian Offensive going on at the time. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2006, 5:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-2-12-resurrection-ship-part-2-spoilerama/339870/109 "2006-01-17T17:48:34Z")
> [@silenus](#): > > Actually, the attack on Dresden was on the railyards, which were, mistakenly it turns out, thought to be filled with trains taking troops to the Eastern Front. They were actually trains taking refugees _away_ from the fighting. But the main reason was to disrupt the Nazi sullpy lines and command/control links to aid the Russian Offensive going on at the time. I did find a reference: > [@](#): > > As stated in The Army Air Forces in World War II, plans were drawn up in early June, 1944 to define the post-D-Day invasion bomber campaign. The recommended priorities to both Bomber Command and the U.S. 8th and 15th Air Force (in Italy) were, in order of priority, oil production, jet and V-weapons, ball bearing plants and tank factories. [Here](http://www.christusrex.org/www1/war/dresden6.html) But prepare to stand corrected since it was apparently minor. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2006, 5:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-2-12-resurrection-ship-part-2-spoilerama/339870/110 "2006-01-17T17:53:50Z")
I got my cite from [Wiki](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombing_of_Dresden_in_World_War_II), but it dovetailed with what I remember from other books. No real biggie. ---
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2006, 6:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-2-12-resurrection-ship-part-2-spoilerama/339870/111 "2006-01-17T18:47:56Z")
> [@Merijeek](#): > > I figured it was like this. > > Baltar professes his love (with a customized speech given to him by HeadSix) to GinaSix. > > GinaSix no longer has a death wish because a Six model has FINALLY achievd True Love - something that, annoyingly, the Boomer model seems to achieve ALL THE TIME. > > Baltar’s loving GinaSix means that HeadSix is now redundant. Baltar’s embracing GinaSix has, effectively, killed Headsix. > > Or so I’m guessing. HeadSix was certainly deathly afraid once she realized what was happening. > > -Joe There’s probably something to this. All along we’ve never known for sure there even is a Chip Six. Seems likely there’s something in his head though, since Chip Six had knowledge about Cylon religion that was only later corroborated by Leoben & Boomer. Chip Six also seemed to have arranged for Ms. Godfrey to show up in the flesh, as it were. The Six Chip probably isn’t a chip at all. That is, it’s not a device that can somehow hold an entire consciousness. Rather, it’s the same undetectable organic-like device the other humanoid Cylons possess that continually transmits thoughts to the nearest resurrection facility. Chip Six probably knew she was doomed anyway, once the resurrection ship was destroyed, but it all worked out according to plan anyway. See, Six has been trying to get Baltar to accept his role as part of God’s plan. Part of that is getting Baltar to genuinely love her, and willingly agree to be the father of their child. We assumed their “child” was actually Boomer & Helo’s. But how about now? There’s the possibility this has all gone according to plan. Baltar realizes he truly loves Six, then he gets Gina. Chip Six can’t transmit to Baltar anymore anyway. But now he’s genuinely accepted his role of protector _and_ Gina & Baltar really do have love, which the Cylons discovered not long ago is the missing ingredient in successfully making a child according to God’s way. ---
**Author:** ![Lumpy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lumpy/32/446_2.png) [@Lumpy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lumpy)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2006, 12:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-2-12-resurrection-ship-part-2-spoilerama/339870/112 "2006-01-18T00:41:05Z")
> [@MMI](#): > > While I do not know this, I assume that the earlier war ended with mutual exhaustion - that humanity would not have otherwise tolerated the continued existence of their treacherous machines. According to a site giving the history of the first Cylon war, the humans started resorting to using nukes that could generate either EMP or fallout of a type that could damage Cylon circuitry. The Cylons sued for peace rather than let the humans render the entire twelve colonies unihabitable by either side. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2006, 12:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-2-12-resurrection-ship-part-2-spoilerama/339870/113 "2006-01-18T00:55:54Z")
> [@Lumpy](#): > > According to a site giving the history of the first Cylon war, Dude, you must provide a link… ---
**Author:** ![Merijeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f05b48/32.png) [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2006, 3:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-2-12-resurrection-ship-part-2-spoilerama/339870/114 "2006-01-18T03:34:40Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > Dude, you must provide a link… Seconded! -Joe ---
**Author:** ![Lumpy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lumpy/32/446_2.png) [@Lumpy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lumpy)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2006, 10:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-2-12-resurrection-ship-part-2-spoilerama/339870/115 "2006-01-18T22:47:55Z")
OK, [Here’s the site I was referring to](http://www3.telus.net/public/akamyot/chistory.htm), but I’m not sure if it’s canon or fanfic. Search page for “neutron bomb” to see relevant paragraphs. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2006, 12:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-2-12-resurrection-ship-part-2-spoilerama/339870/116 "2006-01-19T00:55:49Z")
Thanks, Lumpy. You are a gentleman and a scholar. ---
**Author:** ![Corner\_Case](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/corner_case/32/234_2.png) [@Corner\_Case](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Corner_Case)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2006, 7:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-2-12-resurrection-ship-part-2-spoilerama/339870/117 "2006-01-19T19:51:59Z")
y’know what? (😉 **carnivorousplant** ) I thought the Resurrection Ship seemed familiar. It looks like the [Air Force Academy Chapel](http://www.usafa.af.mil/superintendent/hc/chapelpics/pages/Chapel%207655%208x10.htm) in Colorado. It has an nice feel after realizing that - a link between the military and religion. I don’t understand Apollo’s depression. Perhaps he is burned out because he’s trying to do the right thing and it’s getting harder to figure out what that is. But if the spoiler information is correct…I don’t see how he rates getting command of the Pegasus.I still don’t understand how Gina can go from wanting to die and sticking a gun (in Baltar’s hands) to her own head to killing her persecutor and fleeing. Maybe just killing Cain, but then why not get back and make Baltar kill her? - though the whole “I can’t commit suicide, but here I’ll hold the gun and you pull the trigger” is just hard to reconcile for me. Now, this idea is too cheesy for BSG, but I’ll rationalize it by saying I’ve been indoctrinated by mediocre SciFi: _We never saw Cain shot or in the coffin. She might not be dead. Maybe they’re making her better … stronger … faster._ ---
**Author:** ![Corner\_Case](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/corner_case/32/234_2.png) [@Corner\_Case](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Corner_Case)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2006, 8:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-2-12-resurrection-ship-part-2-spoilerama/339870/118 "2006-01-19T20:05:46Z")
Tyrol and Helo need to be charged with murder and brought up before a Court. Then they need to be found innocent of murder and have the death declared an accident. For the sake of discipline they need to be tried. Even Callie was. ---
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2006, 8:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-2-12-resurrection-ship-part-2-spoilerama/339870/119 "2006-01-19T20:07:50Z")
> [@Corner Case](#): > > _We never saw Cain shot or in the coffin. She might not be dead. Maybe they’re making her better … stronger … faster._ Would Ron Moore do that to us? It’s sticky enough Cylons don’t stay dead, but do we really want humans who won’t stay dead? I’m really nervous about how he’s going to handle Roslyn’s cancer. I want Roslyn to somehow survive, but I don’t want a Roslyn somehow surviving thanks to Cylon _Magi-tech_. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2006, 8:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-2-12-resurrection-ship-part-2-spoilerama/339870/120 "2006-01-19T20:22:31Z")
Cornercase, I should not have read your spoiler. As long as I did He is Daddy’s Little Boy, and Daddy wants him to be able to screw up real well.🙂 [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-2-12-resurrection-ship-part-2-spoilerama/339870.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-2-12-resurrection-ship-part-2-spoilerama/339870.md?page=7)