# Battlestar Galactica 2.19 - Spoilers Armed **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [March 3, 2006, 7:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-2-19-spoilers-armed/346944 "2006-03-03T19:40:04Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2006, 4:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-2-19-spoilers-armed/346944/101 "2006-03-08T16:05:25Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > Like in _Enterprise_ when the guy transported with plant material in his body? Leave your kinky Mary Sue stories out of our Galactica thread! šŸ˜‰ ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2006, 4:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-2-19-spoilers-armed/346944/102 "2006-03-08T16:07:09Z")
> [@Cervaise](#): > > Leave your kinky Mary Sue stories out of our Galactica thread! > > šŸ˜‰ Butā€¦butā€¦but them Mary Sue pulls the pieces out with her manicure set, andā€¦ ---
**Author:** ![Merijeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f05b48/32.png) [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2006, 4:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-2-19-spoilers-armed/346944/103 "2006-03-08T16:58:23Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > Like in _Enterprise_ when the guy transported with plant material in his body? šŸ™‚ Oh, you mean like they do every time THEY HAVE FOOD IN THEIR STOMACH? Let me guessā€¦the whole episode was about all the strange effects it had on Crewman X and at the end they rerun him through the transporter (after changing some subroutines) and heā€™s fixed. Did I come close? -Joe ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2006, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-2-19-spoilers-armed/346944/104 "2006-03-08T17:49:22Z")
> [@Merijeek](#): > > Oh, you mean like they do every time THEY HAVE FOOD IN THEIR STOMACH? > > Let me guessā€¦the whole episode was about all the strange effects it had on Crewman X and at the end they rerun him through the transporter (after changing some subroutines) and heā€™s fixed. > > Did I come close? > > -Joe Nope. It was just to show that it didnā€™t always work. Calm yourself. šŸ™‚ ---
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2006, 7:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-2-19-spoilers-armed/346944/105 "2006-03-08T19:13:55Z")
The FTL jump technology enables it to displace a limited amount of matter. Space dust is easy, atmosphere a little tougher, but doable. Solid rock is too much. But wisely, they put the transponders in the most fortified part of the ship (probably attached to the FTL engine itself, which during a jump, is the first thing to start displacing local space) which is mostly likely to be able to initially displace _some_ solid rock, enabling it to continue broadcasting a signal. Tyrol was probably in his boxers because he was in his bunk when he had another of the bad dreams, at which point he slept walked his way into the hangar area (which is where his dreams take place). Why do you all think he didnā€™t remember beating Cally, and only realized what heā€™d done immediately afterwards? See? It all makes sense. No need to rewrite some subroutines. ---
**Author:** ![Merijeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f05b48/32.png) [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2006, 7:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-2-19-spoilers-armed/346944/106 "2006-03-08T19:36:21Z")
> [@levdrakon](#): > > The FTL jump technology enables it to displace a limited amount of matter. Space dust is easy, atmosphere a little tougher, but doable. Solid rock is too much. But wisely, they put the transponders in the most fortified part of the ship (probably attached to the FTL engine itself, which during a jump, is the first thing to start displacing local space) which is mostly likely to be able to initially displace _some_ solid rock, enabling it to continue broadcasting a signal. > > Tyrol was probably in his boxers because he was in his bunk when he had another of the bad dreams, at which point he slept walked his way into the hangar area (which is where his dreams take place). Why do you all think he didnā€™t remember beating Cally, and only realized what heā€™d done immediately afterwards? > > See? It all makes sense. No need to rewrite some subroutines. GOSUB **THIS** you sumbitch! Anyways, I still think that Tyrol is being deliberately messed with. Iā€™m guessing itā€™s another fun Cylon psychological experiment. Carlā€™s was about love, Tyrolā€™s will be about sanity. -Joe ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2006, 8:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-2-19-spoilers-armed/346944/107 "2006-03-08T20:16:28Z")
> [@Merijeek](#): > > Anyways, I still think that Tyrol is being deliberately messed with. Perhaps so. They sure spent a lot of time on it, so I presume it relates to later episodes. ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2006, 8:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-2-19-spoilers-armed/346944/108 "2006-03-08T20:28:10Z")
> [@levdrakon](#): > > Tyrol was probably in his boxers because he was in his bunk when he had another of the bad dreams, at which point he slept walked his way into the hangar area (which is where his dreams take place). Alternatively, he was getting complaints from his rackmates about his groaning and twitching, so he shambled groggily off someplace where he could get some shuteye without disturbing anyone. ---
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2006, 8:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-2-19-spoilers-armed/346944/109 "2006-03-08T20:37:55Z")
> [@Cervaise](#): > > Alternatively, he was getting complaints from his rackmates about his groaning and twitching, so he shambled groggily off someplace where he could get some shuteye without disturbing anyone. Which would explain why Cally went looking for him (after beating up all his rackmates). Cally sure loves her some Tyrol, and probably knows his whereabouts every second of the day. And night. ---
**Author:** ![Ponder\_Stibbons](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ponder_stibbons/32/343_2.png) [@Ponder\_Stibbons](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ponder_Stibbons)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2006, 8:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-2-19-spoilers-armed/346944/110 "2006-03-08T20:42:24Z")
> [@levdrakon](#): > > Which would explain why Cally went looking for him (after beating up all his rackmates). Cally sure loves her some Tyrol, and probably knows his whereabouts every second of the day. And night. Mmmmmā€¦ Cally ā€¦ Iā€™m goinā€™ back to Cally, to Cally, to Cally ---
**Author:** ![Merijeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f05b48/32.png) [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2006, 4:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-2-19-spoilers-armed/346944/111 "2006-03-10T16:57:11Z")
Cally the stalker, I love it. Anyways, Iā€™ve stopped in to add some notes based on the podcast. Anyone who doesnā€™t want to read themā€¦ DONT READ THEM! NO BITCHIN! Okay, first of all, Racetrackā€™s little trip to the new planet? Totally an accident. As Moore says, any conspiracy theories you hear are WRONG. So, Sharonā€™s not at fault on that one. Dean Stockwellā€™s priest will apparently have a BIG impact on tonightā€™s episode - basically enough so that Moore didnā€™t want to give his priestā€™s backstory yet. His name is ā€œCaddleā€ from what I can tell. Pretty close to ā€œCottleā€. Maybe theyā€™re brothers? Funniest line of the podcast goes to Mooreā€™s wife: ā€œYou swear on these things?ā€ ā€œJumped inside the mountainā€ is kind of a throwback to ā€œTrekā€ like a transporter accident. So, 100% answered, for any doubters out there. Finally, regarding the second half of the finale. Itā€™s 90 minutes as most of us already knew. However, the interesting thing is that Mooreā€™s partne (Eick) and his wife did NOT like what Moore did with it. Moore describes it as ā€œa big riskā€ā€¦weā€™ll see what that meant. He says that this finale will make some HUGE changes to the direction of the show. We shall see. -Joe ---
**Author:** ![D\_Odds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/d_odds/32/2882_2.png) [@D\_Odds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Odds)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2006, 5:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-2-19-spoilers-armed/346944/112 "2006-03-10T17:07:20Z")
> [@Merijeek](#): > > Finally, regarding the second half of the finale. Itā€™s 90 minutes as most of us already knew. However, the interesting thing is that Mooreā€™s partne (Eick) and his wife did NOT like what Moore did with it. Moore describes it as ā€œa big riskā€ā€¦weā€™ll see what that meant. > > He says that this finale will make some HUGE changes to the direction of the show. We shall see. > > -Joe Newsdayā€™s TV writer raved > [@](#): > > By episodeā€™s end, humanity is essentially a critical patient in a M_A_S\*H unit, and the Cylons donā€™t care, or maybe they do. Iā€™d say ā€œGalacticaā€ seems to be starting over, except each minute thus far has so richly informed the next. If the showā€™s humans have no time to waste, neither does Moore. His every scene provokes not just adrenaline but thought. Why isnā€™t everybody watching? _(and if you find a spoiler in that, youā€™re looking too hard_ ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2006, 5:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-2-19-spoilers-armed/346944/113 "2006-03-10T17:23:23Z")
> [@Merijeek](#): > > Dean Stockwellā€™s priest will apparently have a BIG impact on tonightā€™s episode - basically enough so that Moore didnā€™t want to give his priestā€™s backstory yet. > > His name is ā€œCaddleā€ from what I can tell. Pretty close to ā€œCottleā€. > > Maybe theyā€™re brothers? IMDB says his role is ā€œBrother Cavellā€. > [@Ponder Stibbons](#): > > Iā€™m goinā€™ back to Cally, to Cally, to Cally I donā€™t think so. ---
**Author:** ![Merijeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f05b48/32.png) [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2006, 6:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-2-19-spoilers-armed/346944/114 "2006-03-10T18:00:49Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > IMDB says his role is ā€œBrother Cavellā€. Blame Moore! Or blame his wife for not letting him chain smoke while doing the 'cast. -Joe ---
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2006, 6:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-2-19-spoilers-armed/346944/115 "2006-03-10T18:25:57Z")
> [@Merijeek](#): > > Okay, first of all, Racetrackā€™s little trip to the new planet? Totally an accident. As Moore says, any conspiracy theories you hear are WRONG. Now _thatā€™s_ silly. Space is incredibly vast. If you screw up your jump coordinates, you should end up in the middle of nowhere, not in a solar system right next to a planet. What would be the odds of that? ---
**Author:** ![Scupper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b9bd4f/32.png) [@Scupper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scupper)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2006, 6:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-2-19-spoilers-armed/346944/116 "2006-03-10T18:54:08Z")
> [@levdrakon](#): > > Now _thatā€™s_ silly. Space is incredibly vast. If you screw up your jump coordinates, you should end up in the middle of nowhere, not in a solar system right next to a planet. What would be the odds of that? How do you know that FTL misjumps are not massively biased in favor of gravity wells? How interesting would it be if they just appeared in the middle of nowhere and said ā€œOops, better go back to Galactica?ā€ With **very** few exceptions, Galactica is the closest thing to hard sci-fi in movie or television history. Thatā€™s not saying much, but I applaud the efforts they do make. Iā€™m willing to let them slide a bit if it keeps the plot interesting, which it does. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2006, 7:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-2-19-spoilers-armed/346944/117 "2006-03-10T19:02:20Z")
> [@levdrakon](#): > > If you screw up your jump coordinates, you should end up in the middle of nowhere Very good point. Since there seems to be very little science involved, and thereā€™s more than one way to skin Scrodindingerā€™s Cat, no matter how you spell it, I think we must give Moore a pretty big poetic license if I may mix my metaphors. The gravity well idea ainā€™t bad either, but your machinery would have to see itā€™s effect over og knows what distance. Then theyā€™d have Star Trek sensors and find all the planets they wanted. ---
**Author:** ![Merijeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f05b48/32.png) [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2006, 7:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-2-19-spoilers-armed/346944/118 "2006-03-10T19:23:57Z")
> [@levdrakon](#): > > Now _thatā€™s_ silly. Space is incredibly vast. If you screw up your jump coordinates, you should end up in the middle of nowhere, not in a solar system right next to a planet. What would be the odds of that? Sure it is. Guess thatā€™s why Moore described it as ā€œpure blind luckā€. Fantastically unlikely does not mean impossible. -Joe ---
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2006, 8:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-2-19-spoilers-armed/346944/119 "2006-03-10T20:20:53Z")
> [@Scupper](#): > > How do you know that FTL misjumps are not massively biased in favor of gravity wells? Because you enter coordinates, and you appear at those coordinates. What would massive gravity wells have to do with it? I donā€™t see FTL travel as moving _through_ space, and getting pulled off-course along the way. Itā€™s an instantaneous disappearing from point A and reappearing at point B. If you got point B wrong, so be it. But I donā€™t see how you can get pulled off-course mid-trip, because I donā€™t think there is a mid-trip. Thereā€™s no sub-space or hyper-space to travel through. Theyā€™re not traveling at super-duper velocities. ---
**Author:** ![Scupper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b9bd4f/32.png) [@Scupper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scupper)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2006, 9:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-2-19-spoilers-armed/346944/120 "2006-03-10T21:52:31Z")
> [@levdrakon](#): > > Because you enter coordinates, and you appear at those coordinates. If it works properly, yes. > [@levdrakon](#): > > What would massive gravity wells have to do with it? I donā€™t see FTL travel as moving _through_ space, and getting pulled off-course along the way. Itā€™s an instantaneous disappearing from point A and reappearing at point B. You may see it that way, but they donā€™t actually spell it out in the show. In fact, they make a point of not spelling out the ā€œscienceā€ in the show to avoid people critiquing their technology to death. From [BattlestarWiki](http://www.battlestarwiki.org/wiki/Jump): > [@](#): > > No specific information on the technology of an FTL drive has been given in the Mini-Series or regular series. The only people who really know how they work, therefore, are the writers. > [@levdrakon](#): > > If you got point B wrong, so be it. But I donā€™t see how you can get pulled off-course mid-trip, because I donā€™t think there is a mid-trip. Thereā€™s no sub-space or hyper-space to travel through. Iā€™m not suggesting you get pulled off-course mid-trip. I am saying you canā€™t state with any certainty that the failure rate of jump technology of the BSG universe is **not** affected by gravity wells, when it very clearly **is**. Virtually every fear about making a jump has to do with hitting a planet or other obstacle. They state in the show that, without proper calculations, you could jump right into a planet. If the presence of gravity wells had nothing to do with making jumps, the odds of that would be infinitesimal, but that is obviously not the case. Since obviously you **can** misjump, and jumping into planets is a distinct possibility, and when Racetrack misjumps she ends up near a planet, what other explanation is there but that the colonial jump drives are extremely sensitive to the presence of gravity wells, particularly with regard to the consequences of a frakked jump? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-2-19-spoilers-armed/346944.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-2-19-spoilers-armed/346944.md?page=7)