# Battlestar Galactica 2.20 — "Lay Down Your Burdens, Pt 2" (the spoilers have a plan) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [March 10, 2006, 7:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-2-20-lay-down-your-burdens-pt-2-the-spoilers-have-a-plan/347874 "2006-03-10T19:45:24Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 19\ **Page:** 15
**Author:** ![Merijeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f05b48/32.png) [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2006, 1:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-2-20-lay-down-your-burdens-pt-2-the-spoilers-have-a-plan/347874/281 "2006-03-20T01:14:16Z")
> [@HPL](#): > > Hopefully less of a rip-off of “The guns of Navarone” and with no annoying little twerp stowing away on the shuttle. Oh come on, that movie had one of the all-time classic lines! Dude: Why not just throw him over the cliff and save a bullet? -Joe ---
**Author:** ![OpalCat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/8edcca/32.png) [@OpalCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OpalCat)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2006, 2:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-2-20-lay-down-your-burdens-pt-2-the-spoilers-have-a-plan/347874/282 "2006-03-20T02:09:54Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > So, what did **you** think of the way _First Wave_ ended? 🙂 Well, the fact that it _ended_ bothered me. Heh. (I run a largely defunct Sebastian Spence fan site, btw, and have not one but two autographed photos… god I’m such a drooling fangirl) ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2006, 2:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-2-20-lay-down-your-burdens-pt-2-the-spoilers-have-a-plan/347874/283 "2006-03-20T02:21:29Z")
> [@OpalCat](#): > > god I’m such a drooling fangirl) Didn’t his viper have the pilot’s name FOSTER on it? ---
**Author:** ![OpalCat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/8edcca/32.png) [@OpalCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OpalCat)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2006, 3:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-2-20-lay-down-your-burdens-pt-2-the-spoilers-have-a-plan/347874/284 "2006-03-20T03:03:17Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > Didn’t his viper have the pilot’s name FOSTER on it? Did it??? Oh man, next time I’m gonna have to look for that… ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2006, 3:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-2-20-lay-down-your-burdens-pt-2-the-spoilers-have-a-plan/347874/285 "2006-03-20T03:17:39Z")
> [@OpalCat](#): > > I’m gonna have to look for that… On the DVD I burned my recording of _Ressurection Ship Pt 1_ without “Previuously on…” or the opening credits, the scene is 15 seconds into the episode. Enjoy. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2006, 3:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-2-20-lay-down-your-burdens-pt-2-the-spoilers-have-a-plan/347874/286 "2006-03-20T03:23:39Z")
> [@OpalCat](#): > > Well, the fact that it _ended_ bothered me. Heh. > (I run a largely defunct Sebastian Spence fan site, btw, and have not one but two autographed photos… god I’m such a drooling fangirl) > [@carnivorousplant](#): > > Didn’t his viper have the pilot’s name FOSTER on it? > [@OpalCat](#): > > Did it??? Oh man, next time I’m gonna have to look for that… > [@carnivorousplant](#): > > On the DVD I burned my recording of _Ressurection Ship Pt 1_ without “Previuously on…” or the opening credits, the scene is 15 seconds into the episode. Enjoy. 🙂 And people tease _me_ for still loving Stargate. 😛 Ya freaks. ---
**Author:** ![Alan\_Smithee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/2acd7d/32.png) [@Alan\_Smithee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alan_Smithee)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2006, 5:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-2-20-lay-down-your-burdens-pt-2-the-spoilers-have-a-plan/347874/287 "2006-03-20T05:23:45Z")
It took me like 15 minutes of Googling and doing searches to figure out what the **hell** you lot are on about. :rolleyes: 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Bobalude](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/5fc32e/32.png) [@Bobalude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bobalude)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2006, 8:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-2-20-lay-down-your-burdens-pt-2-the-spoilers-have-a-plan/347874/288 "2006-03-20T08:57:28Z")
> [@Cervaise](#): > > In a nutshell: > > Baltar silently reacts to the news about the nuclear explosion attracting the Cylons’ attention. > > Then he says to the Cylons: “As President… I surrender.” The people around him mutter. > > Cut to the long marketway outside, as a long column of chrome toasters marches between rows of nervously watching humans. We get a specific closeup of Roslin staring at the scene with horror. > > Then we find Starbuck, Tyrol, and Cally in the crowd, also watching. > > Tyrol: “What do you want to do, Cap?” > > Starbuck: “Same as always. Fight 'em till we can’t.” > > The end. > > So there wasn’t a lot cut off, but it’s definitely important. > **[Scifi.com](https://www.syfy.com/scifi/battlestar)** > > Visit Syfy.com final minutes online at scifi’s website now. ---
**Author:** ![Corner\_Case](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/corner_case/32/234_2.png) [@Corner\_Case](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Corner_Case)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2006, 4:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-2-20-lay-down-your-burdens-pt-2-the-spoilers-have-a-plan/347874/289 "2006-03-20T16:02:51Z")
Thanks **Bobalude** for pointing out the video of the last few minutes. The last Toaster march, just before Starbuck’s “fight 'em til we can’t” has the same slip that was pointed out to me in the _Robocop_ movie. The lead Toaster marches and then turns its head stage right. You hear the whir. Then the body and head straighten and the Toaster marches on, but there’s no whir. When the head turns there’s a whir. When the body turns to match the head there’s no whir. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Unintentionally\_Blank](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/unintentionally_blank/32/5418_2.png) [@Unintentionally\_Blank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Unintentionally_Blank)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2006, 4:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-2-20-lay-down-your-burdens-pt-2-the-spoilers-have-a-plan/347874/290 "2006-03-20T16:13:31Z")
> [@Corner Case](#): > > Thanks **Bobalude** for pointing out the video of the last few minutes. > > The last Toaster march, just before Starbuck’s “fight 'em til we can’t” has the same slip that was pointed out to me in the _Robocop_ movie. The lead Toaster marches and then turns its head stage right. You hear the whir. Then the body and head straighten and the Toaster marches on, but there’s no whir. > > When the head turns there’s a whir. When the body turns to match the head there’s no whir. 🙂 \Their necks are springloaded? 😛 \ ---
**Author:** ![OpalCat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/8edcca/32.png) [@OpalCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OpalCat)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2006, 4:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-2-20-lay-down-your-burdens-pt-2-the-spoilers-have-a-plan/347874/291 "2006-03-20T16:18:42Z")
Cool… do you think they posted those final minutes because of all the TiVo/VCR people who missed them? ---
**Author:** ![thinksnow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thinksnow/32/2849_2.png) [@thinksnow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thinksnow)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2006, 7:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-2-20-lay-down-your-burdens-pt-2-the-spoilers-have-a-plan/347874/292 "2006-03-20T19:09:34Z")
At the end of the podcast, they might have been joking, but they said:“When we open Season 3, it’s 5 years later” I’m figuring joke, but still… ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2006, 7:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-2-20-lay-down-your-burdens-pt-2-the-spoilers-have-a-plan/347874/293 "2006-03-20T19:21:13Z")
> [@thinksnow](#): > > At the end of the podcast, they might have been joking, but they said: That doesn’t bode well; perhaps we are going to have a child alien as in V. ☹ ---
**Author:** ![thinksnow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thinksnow/32/2849_2.png) [@thinksnow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thinksnow)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2006, 8:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-2-20-lay-down-your-burdens-pt-2-the-spoilers-have-a-plan/347874/294 "2006-03-20T20:45:35Z")
Something funny/telling that I meant to meantion: the Whiteboard of Hope was replaced with a painting. Where Roslin had her focus on the remaining Human Race, Baltar had a focus on _himself_. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2006, 8:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-2-20-lay-down-your-burdens-pt-2-the-spoilers-have-a-plan/347874/295 "2006-03-20T20:52:51Z")
> [@thinksnow](#): > > At the end of the podcast, they might have been joking, but they said:“When we open Season 3, it’s 5 years later” I’m figuring joke, but still… That would be cool, because think of all the possibilities: the resistance established, with a record, Baltar committed as a Quisling, lots of history as the Adamas stage hit and run raids, the hope the forbidden news of these raids brings the humans, the results of the Cylon breeding program, the development of the scism in the Cylons, etc.😃 ---
**Author:** ![Merijeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f05b48/32.png) [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2006, 10:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-2-20-lay-down-your-burdens-pt-2-the-spoilers-have-a-plan/347874/296 "2006-03-20T22:00:44Z")
> [@thinksnow](#): > > At the end of the podcast, they might have been joking, but they said:“When we open Season 3, it’s 5 years later” I’m figuring joke, but still… Some time will HAVE to pass. After all, Bill Adama can just shave his moustache and be done. Lee, however, was looking decidedly porky. Unless he’s going to spend forever made up as “chubby Lee” they’ll have to advance time some. Also, I’ve been thinking about things, and from some perspective there wasn’t much sense TO keeping a fully-alert fighting force. Think about it, Galactica and Pegasus could handle (at top form) maybe three BaseStars? What happens if four of them show up? Fight a suicidal battle? How quickly can you evacuate 37,000 people? If the Cylons show up everyone is toast anyways - humanity chose hiding over running. -Joe ---
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2006, 10:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-2-20-lay-down-your-burdens-pt-2-the-spoilers-have-a-plan/347874/297 "2006-03-20T22:18:59Z")
> [@Merijeek](#): > > Lee, however, was looking decidedly porky. Unless he’s going to spend forever made up as “chubby Lee” they’ll have to advance time some. I was just thinking at the rate Lee is porking out, if they gave him too much time he’d be a cow by the time we next saw him. ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2006, 11:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-2-20-lay-down-your-burdens-pt-2-the-spoilers-have-a-plan/347874/298 "2006-03-20T23:40:57Z")
> [@thinksnow](#): > > I’m figuring joke I think it’s pretty clearly a joke, a little tweak at the fans who complained about the “24 hours earlier” and “8 months later” and such that cropped up in too many of the episodes in this season’s second half. ---
**Author:** ![middleman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e9a140/32.png) [@middleman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/middleman)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2006, 4:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-2-20-lay-down-your-burdens-pt-2-the-spoilers-have-a-plan/347874/299 "2006-04-09T16:10:32Z")
I have never seen an episode on SciFi. I came to this series a few months ago and watched it entirely on iPod and DVD. I really like it, but like everyone else, I am concerned with the finale. I’ve read this entire thread and while I don’t join the doom and gloom, shark-jumers, I fall into that middle group of worrying where the series goes next. Since I have not digested it week by week (and benefited from reading every thread), I have a few questions or comments about the series as a whole that I would appreciate some of you old hands batting around. - I like this show because it isn’t just a Scifi series. It is a show about ANYTHING. It is an action show, an adventure show, a political thriller, a romance, a family drama, a legal thriller, a spy show. Everything. From reading a few of the older threads, I can tell this was a criticism of some of you regulars. I’m not sure if it was this thread or a previous one, but someone compared it to Law and Order. I get the comparison, but I come to a different conclusion. Everything that happened in the solo episodes had ramifications down the road. This new twist kind of impedes the ability to have the one shot episodes. - I’m sure this has been dead-horsed, but let me add that one of the only Star Trekish things about this series (I am not a ST fan) is the exclusive use of the main cast for every mission. I have even seen references to Starbuck’s “Best \_\_\_\_\_\_” filter into Lost threads. I agree that the other 48,985 people in the fleet really aren’t pulling their weight. Every time Adama rationalizes,“Because I trust Lee!” I wonder WTF? He hasn’t exactly had your back, Dad. - One thing that bugs me about most shows is present in BSG. Convenient Stupidity. A lot of the problems the fleet has are related to the fact that they don’t think straight. Why the heck wouldn’t Adama release photos of all known Cylon models to flush out any duplicates. I am fairly certain that one of the Press Secretary Cylons was in on the hostage taking on Cloud 9. Wouldn’t it have been prudent to look for copies first before using a nuclear war head to build a scanner? - I like the hard science aspects of the show. They TRY to stay grounded in modern science (until they need a deus ex machina of sticking coax up Boomer’s arm). This really makes the space battles incredible. I love when they engage the cylons with the Battlestars. All those silent weapons firing off at once. Beautiful. And the vipers using thrusters only to get started or to change course. Very cool. But I do have one question that either has not been explained or I missed. How do they have gravity on the ships? - The Prophecy thing bugs me. I stopped watching Alias because of Rimbaldi. I hope this show doesn’t get too far out on that limb. - I have seen #6 referred to as Gina. But didn’t Balter refer to the one in his head as “Sara” in one episode early in Season 2? - Does the numbering of cylons indicate a hierarchy? #3 (L. Lawless) seemed to be in charge of #6 and #8. That makes me think #1 and #2 are big fish. Possible high ranking cast members. - Do human looking cylons trump bots? Do the bots have personalities or are they like the Raiders? - There are twelve models of human cylons, right? So far we have seen: #3- Lucy Lawliss (copy on the fleet and one that was possibly boxed) #6- Hot blond (Hero version, the one in Baltar’s head and dead Gina) #8- Boomer (hero version and coax/mama version) We’ve also had: - Prophet Guy Who Got Tortured - Press Secretary - Black Guy - Dean Stockwell So there are five unaccounted for. Have any of these other cylons been given a number? Glad to be on board. I think these guys can turn the finale into some good stories, so I am cautiously optimistic. Now we wait until October. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-2-20-lay-down-your-burdens-pt-2-the-spoilers-have-a-plan/347874.md?page=14)