# Battlestar Galactica 2.20 — "Lay Down Your Burdens, Pt 2" (the spoilers have a plan) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [March 10, 2006, 7:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-2-20-lay-down-your-burdens-pt-2-the-spoilers-have-a-plan/347874 "2006-03-10T19:45:24Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2006, 6:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-2-20-lay-down-your-burdens-pt-2-the-spoilers-have-a-plan/347874/161 "2006-03-13T18:31:56Z")
> [@Merijeek](#): > > if they CAN’T grow them old, then every single Six, Sharon, and other model out there had a finite number of “clones” grown beginning at exactly the same moment. Maybe they “tool up” like an automobile factory and build one model a year. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Merijeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f05b48/32.png) [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2006, 6:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-2-20-lay-down-your-burdens-pt-2-the-spoilers-have-a-plan/347874/162 "2006-03-13T18:49:46Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > Maybe they “tool up” like an automobile factory and build one model a year. 🙂 Ah…and the Doctor Simon model was a very upopular model year - which is why we’ve seen so few. Got it! -Joe ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2006, 7:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-2-20-lay-down-your-burdens-pt-2-the-spoilers-have-a-plan/347874/163 "2006-03-13T19:10:29Z")
> [@Merijeek](#): > > Ah…and the Doctor Simon model was a very upopular model year - which is why we’ve seen so few. Got it! > > -Joe Are you confusing your Sci-Fi series, or am I missing something? 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2006, 7:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-2-20-lay-down-your-burdens-pt-2-the-spoilers-have-a-plan/347874/164 "2006-03-13T19:16:31Z")
Simon was the tall black Cylon doctor in the baby farm Starbuck destroyed on Caprica. ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2006, 7:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-2-20-lay-down-your-burdens-pt-2-the-spoilers-have-a-plan/347874/165 "2006-03-13T19:38:04Z")
Actually, > [@carnivorousplant](#): > > “tool up” is what Starbuck barks at Anders. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2006, 7:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-2-20-lay-down-your-burdens-pt-2-the-spoilers-have-a-plan/347874/166 "2006-03-13T19:43:58Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > Simon was the tall black Cylon doctor in the baby farm Starbuck destroyed on Caprica. Oh yes. Someone else whose reincarnated self is pissed at Starbuck. I thought you were refering to Simon Tam of an equally distinguished show. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2006, 7:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-2-20-lay-down-your-burdens-pt-2-the-spoilers-have-a-plan/347874/167 "2006-03-13T19:46:41Z")
> [@levdrakon](#): > > That was Leoben…Should be cool watching their reunion. Now _that_, my friends, is continuity! 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Bird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/3ec8ea/32.png) [@Little\_Bird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Bird)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2006, 9:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-2-20-lay-down-your-burdens-pt-2-the-spoilers-have-a-plan/347874/168 "2006-03-13T21:09:20Z")
> [@Merijeek](#): > > Do we know for certain that the Six with Our Toaster Overlords is Caprica Six and not GinaSix? She seemed to know with pretty damned much certainty that it was a Six that set off the nuke. The Six that came on Colonial One was NOT GinaSix. She is dead-dead because there is no resurection ship anymore. She had nowhere to download to. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2006, 9:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-2-20-lay-down-your-burdens-pt-2-the-spoilers-have-a-plan/347874/169 "2006-03-13T21:14:04Z")
> [@Little Bird](#): > > She is dead-dead because there is no resurection ship anymore. She signaled the collective…er, Cylons, but why did she sleep with Baltar first? I mean, it’s not like it would be _fun_, right? 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Merijeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f05b48/32.png) [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2006, 10:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-2-20-lay-down-your-burdens-pt-2-the-spoilers-have-a-plan/347874/170 "2006-03-13T22:15:32Z")
> [@Little Bird](#): > > The Six that came on Colonial One was NOT GinaSix. She is dead-dead because there is no resurection ship anymore. She had nowhere to download to. Possibly. Possibly not. Surely you don’t think there was only one? I doubt they’d put all their eggs in one basket. That’d be stupid, wouldn’t it? I made that suggestion (as did someone else) based on what we saw on her face when talking to Baltar. If it wasn’t her, can you think of any reason for anyone to believe it could have been Six who set off the nuke? Baltar knew. The Trotsky-wannabe most likely went up in the nuclear fireball. Who does that leave? -Joe ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2006, 11:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-2-20-lay-down-your-burdens-pt-2-the-spoilers-have-a-plan/347874/171 "2006-03-13T23:39:21Z")
I wonder what happened to the Six and Eight who brained RoboXena. Perhaps we will find out next season. ---
**Author:** ![Odinoneeye](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/97f17d/32.png) [@Odinoneeye](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Odinoneeye)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2006, 12:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-2-20-lay-down-your-burdens-pt-2-the-spoilers-have-a-plan/347874/172 "2006-03-14T00:22:28Z")
> [@Cervaise](#): > > There’s the religious fanatic from Gemenon, the one who gave Roslin such a hard time about the abortion issue and was sent away with her “pound of flesh” at the end. And there was the guard who asked to pray with Roslin while she was in the brig after Adama’s coup; didn’t he also say he was Gemenon? > > Plus, it’s been implied in previous episodes that the divisions between the various colonies are at least partially ethnic. > > So maybe we’re finally meeting more of the Gemenons, who may’ve been cooped up together, segregated by necessity or by choice in some ship, unseen by us, all this time. The guard was from Gemenon and so was the priestess who died on Kobol. I had noticed that the Gemonese tended to be black a while ago. ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2006, 1:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-2-20-lay-down-your-burdens-pt-2-the-spoilers-have-a-plan/347874/173 "2006-03-14T01:42:32Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > I wonder what happened to the Six and Eight who brained RoboXena. > Perhaps we will find out next season. We already found out, well, most likely. Chances are they were the ones who accompanied what’s-his-face to lay down the surrender demands to Baltar. The Six was definitely CapricaSix, so it stands to reason that it the other meatpuppet was GalacticaEight. The priest also told us that the Cylon heroes’ had swawed public opinion enough in the Cylon camp to stop colonization of the 12 colonies… although how much of that was a trap, and how much was honest, and how much was just twisted Cylon logic, well, we don’t know that yet. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2006, 1:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-2-20-lay-down-your-burdens-pt-2-the-spoilers-have-a-plan/347874/174 "2006-03-14T01:46:15Z")
> [@FinnAgain](#): > > Chances are they were the ones who accompanied what’s-his-face to lay down the surrender demands to Baltar. Seems like RoboXena might have been kind of annoyed at being hit up the side of the head with a chunk of masonry, though… 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2006, 1:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-2-20-lay-down-your-burdens-pt-2-the-spoilers-have-a-plan/347874/175 "2006-03-14T01:55:23Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > Seems like RoboXena might have been kind of annoyed at being hit up the side of the head with a chunk of masonry, though… 🙂 I’m sure that she was. But remember, she was just another nameless Cylon with a number. CapricaSix and GalacticaEight were heroes, and pretty much the only Cylons who were seen as individuals. They also had 36 hours in which to convince the other Cylons that they were right. So while Xena may’ve been pissed, I’d wager that there wasn’t all that much she could do other than argue against them once they had an already sizeable following. But you are right, it’d be intersting to see exactly how that power struggle went down… it does seem like there was quite a bit of time between them braining Xena and when the Centurions backed off of the raptor-rescue-mission. ---
**Author:** ![athelas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/5e9695/32.png) [@athelas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/athelas)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2006, 3:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-2-20-lay-down-your-burdens-pt-2-the-spoilers-have-a-plan/347874/176 "2006-03-14T03:19:44Z")
From the Moore interview: They’ll wrap up the arc in four to five episodes? How the frack could that possibly work? Either they jump ahead a year or so again, or there’ll be some plot like “Baltar turns against the unsuspecting Cylons”, which seems rather contrived. Galactica and Pegasus can’t take out the Cylons by themselves, either. Maybe some combination of the above? ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2006, 3:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-2-20-lay-down-your-burdens-pt-2-the-spoilers-have-a-plan/347874/177 "2006-03-14T03:46:31Z")
They will tell Sharon her kid is on New Caprica. She will stick some coax up her arm and confuse the Cylon instrumentation. Gallactica/Pegasus will capture a Cylon transport. It will sneak to New Caprica and rescue a bunch of folks. Maybe Starbuck & Company will capture the transport(s). ---
**Author:** ![msmith537](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/d9b06d/32.png) [@msmith537](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/msmith537)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2006, 4:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-2-20-lay-down-your-burdens-pt-2-the-spoilers-have-a-plan/347874/178 "2006-03-14T04:08:28Z")
Why are they still living in tents after a year? There seems to be plenty of rocks. How bout making bricks? ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2006, 4:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-2-20-lay-down-your-burdens-pt-2-the-spoilers-have-a-plan/347874/179 "2006-03-14T04:17:54Z")
> [@msmith537](#): > > How bout making bricks? Mud and wattle. Sammy: Starbuck! SB: Yeah, what? Sammy: I found some lovely muck! ---
**Author:** ![MaddyStrut](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/dbc845/32.png) [@MaddyStrut](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MaddyStrut)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2006, 4:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-2-20-lay-down-your-burdens-pt-2-the-spoilers-have-a-plan/347874/180 "2006-03-14T04:31:20Z")
> [@msmith537](#): > > Why are they still living in tents after a year? There seems to be plenty of rocks. How bout making bricks? Maybe because they were having union difficulties. I got the impression everything was pretty much falling apart under Baltar’s regime. The hooker trade seemed to be flourishing though. Speaking of ethnic groups and colonies, isn’t Dualla from Sagitarron? I seem to remember during _Bastille Day_ she mentioned she was from the same planet as Zarek and not everyone who came from there felt the same way he did. Did Doc Cottle look like hell or what? Is he just exhausted or coming down with something (he does smoke like a chimney)? Hopefully, it’s not something easily cured by magic Pop Tart blood. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-2-20-lay-down-your-burdens-pt-2-the-spoilers-have-a-plan/347874.md?page=8) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-2-20-lay-down-your-burdens-pt-2-the-spoilers-have-a-plan/347874.md?page=10)