# Battlestar Galactica 2.3 — "Fragged" (open spoilers) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [July 29, 2005, 6:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-2-3-fragged-open-spoilers/314784 "2005-07-29T18:30:51Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![FilmGeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/b19c9b/32.png) [@FilmGeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FilmGeek)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2005, 12:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-2-3-fragged-open-spoilers/314784/21 "2005-07-31T00:56:09Z")
I was going to be really pissed if they killed off Tyrol, as he and Cally are my absolute favorite characters. It helps that I find Tyrol to be astoundingly attractive. It was nice getting a break from the ‘back on Caprica’ story line. I also didn’t like Crashdown, and I didn’t like him much when he was Boomer’s raptor partner, either. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2005, 1:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-2-3-fragged-open-spoilers/314784/22 "2005-07-31T01:58:58Z")
Ron Moore’s blog on the scifi site seems to be gone. How was he getting the questions he answered there? ---
**Author:** ![msmith537](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/d9b06d/32.png) [@msmith537](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/msmith537)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2005, 4:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-2-3-fragged-open-spoilers/314784/23 "2005-07-31T04:17:02Z")
> [@D\_Odds](#): > > While he might have gotten the read of the crowd wrong when dealing with the Quorom in the prison, I think Tigh was giving them all the respect and deference they deserve. None of them have a good reason, including the (former) President, sticking themselves into any military situation. There is only one battlestar standing between the Cylons and the non-fighters. Don’t piss them off. And if you’ve got absolutely no military experience, don’t interject with those who do (and don’t complain when they don’t give you each and every little detail up front). Hmmm…military dictatorship or religeous fundamentist theocracy. Not crazy about either option. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2005, 4:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-2-3-fragged-open-spoilers/314784/24 "2005-07-31T04:48:28Z")
> [@msmith537](#): > > Hmmm…military dictatorship or religeous fundamentist theocracy. Not crazy about either option. If I’m depending upon the military to save me against overwhelming odds, I’ll go for the former. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2005, 6:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-2-3-fragged-open-spoilers/314784/25 "2005-07-31T06:44:07Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > Ron Moore’s blog on the scifi site seems to be gone. > How was he getting the questions he answered there? There’s a specific “put your questions for Ron Moore here” thread in the official [SciFi.com](http://SciFi.com) forums. As far as I’ve seen, there hasn’t been any explanation for why he hasn’t posted an update in what seems like several yahrens. ---
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2005, 6:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-2-3-fragged-open-spoilers/314784/26 "2005-07-31T06:54:06Z")
> [@Cervaise](#): > > yahrens. :mad: 😛 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![tanstaafl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ba8739/32.png) [@tanstaafl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tanstaafl)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2005, 6:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-2-3-fragged-open-spoilers/314784/27 "2005-07-31T18:57:07Z")
> [@HPL](#): > > That’s my question. We have one basestar that got blown up, and another that appeared and disapeared. The fleet was originally at some point apparently in deep space. Raptors are sent out to several nearby systems. One of the systems is discovered to contain a “Class-M” planet (to borrow a Trekism"). They come to the conclusion that the planet is Kobol. Three Raptors are sent to Kobol, only to discover that a Basestar has shown up in the meantime. The Raptors blow up, crash or flee. The Raptor with Boomer returns to Kobol and destroys the Basestar there. It returns to Galactica and Boomer shoots Adama. Galactica and the fleet jump, to different coordinates. Galactica returns to their former location in deep space, only to discover a Basestar there. They make their calculations and jump to the fleet’s coordinates, leaving the Basestar behind. So, there was a Basestar over Kobol (now destroyed) and a second Basestar at some point in deep space (which may or may not still be there). There was only ever one Basestar at Kobol. ---
**Author:** ![HPL](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/3da27b/32.png) [@HPL](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HPL)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2005, 7:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-2-3-fragged-open-spoilers/314784/28 "2005-07-31T19:08:13Z")
> [@tanstaafl](#): > > The fleet was originally at some point apparently in deep space. Raptors are sent out to several nearby systems. > > One of the systems is discovered to contain a “Class-M” planet (to borrow a Trekism"). They come to the conclusion that the planet is Kobol. > > Three Raptors are sent to Kobol, only to discover that a Basestar has shown up in the meantime. The Raptors blow up, crash or flee. > > The Raptor with Boomer returns to Kobol and destroys the Basestar there. It returns to Galactica and Boomer shoots Adama. > > Galactica and the fleet jump, to different coordinates. > > Galactica returns to their former location in deep space, only to discover a Basestar there. They make their calculations and jump to the fleet’s coordinates, leaving the Basestar behind. > > So, there was a Basestar over Kobol (now destroyed) and a second Basestar at some point in deep space (which may or may not still be there). There was only ever one Basestar at Kobol. Okay, thanks for clearing that up. I had forgotten they weren’t over kobol when attacked. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2005, 7:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-2-3-fragged-open-spoilers/314784/29 "2005-07-31T19:57:50Z")
And remember, the Basestar over Kobol was staffed by the Bountiful Boomer Basestar Brigade…all nekkid! How could anyone forget that! 😃 ---
**Author:** ![medstar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f07891/32.png) [@medstar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/medstar)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2005, 10:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-2-3-fragged-open-spoilers/314784/30 "2005-07-31T22:21:24Z")
Anyone want to wager on how long it will take until the truth comes out about Crashdown’s death? Just off the top of my head, I thought of the fact that there will probably be an autopsy and it’ll be discovered Crashdown was shot in the back, and the actual bullet will be matched to the weapon that Baltar was holding. I can’t see Tyrol, Cally, and the other woman keeping quiet about this, either. Or, are they banking on the idea that the bodies will be cremated immediately? ---
**Author:** ![D\_Odds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/d_odds/32/2882_2.png) [@D\_Odds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Odds)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2005, 10:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-2-3-fragged-open-spoilers/314784/31 "2005-07-31T22:45:43Z")
There’s what…one qualified M.D. in the fleet? Maybe a few junior MDs and a bunch of field medics. Autopsies are the least of their problems. Quincy ain’t gonna be showin’ up anytime soon. ---
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2005, 10:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-2-3-fragged-open-spoilers/314784/32 "2005-07-31T22:50:36Z")
I don’t think so. Under their current circumstances, it seems enough to produce someone’s dog tags and state that they “died honorably” or some such. Tyrol isn’t going to say anything, or he would have already. Cally’s not going to say anything because she’s ashamed of her inability to carry out the mission, and a direct order. That third crew member seems like a fairly minor guest character we may never see again. The dog tags are enough, I don’t think they’ll get around to recovering the bodies. I’m thinking the story is going to be busy enough with other things, they may not revisit this issue for awhile, if ever. If anything, ---
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2005, 10:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-2-3-fragged-open-spoilers/314784/33 "2005-07-31T22:51:43Z")
Oops. Strike that last “if anything,” ---
**Author:** ![Merijeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f05b48/32.png) [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2005, 11:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-2-3-fragged-open-spoilers/314784/34 "2005-07-31T23:14:56Z")
> [@medstar](#): > > Anyone want to wager on how long it will take until the truth comes out about Crashdown’s death? Just off the top of my head, I thought of the fact that there will probably be an autopsy and it’ll be discovered Crashdown was shot in the back, and the actual bullet will be matched to the weapon that Baltar was holding. I can’t see Tyrol, Cally, and the other woman keeping quiet about this, either. Or, are they banking on the idea that the bodies will be cremated immediately? Ehh…I don’t think any CSI-type stuff will out the Crashdown secret. First of all, it doesn’t fit the show. Fact of the matter is this is a human drama show. If the secret comes out, it’ll be because a person cracks. Or, more likely, Tyrol feels he needs to use it against Baltar for some reason. Probably to stop him from doing something batshit insane. That’d be my bet. Anyway, I just don’t see them putting a lot of forensic effort into a guy who was killed (by the Cylons) when you have four witnesses agreeing how he was killed. And sure, he got shot in the back, but they group WAS in a shoowing escapt from the Cylons. Oh, and I read in TV guide… Two Cylon models are going to be revealed… Any speculation? I’m really starting to suspect Gaeta just because he’s too perfect, he’s too vital, and he’s becoming more and more vital. But, well, we shall see. -Spoilin’ Joe ---
**Author:** ![MacTech](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c0e974/32.png) [@MacTech](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MacTech)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2005, 12:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-2-3-fragged-open-spoilers/314784/35 "2005-08-01T00:37:38Z")
what about Starbuck being a Toaster, it’d explain how she’s “The Best \ in the fleet” and also her ease in flying the Raider… ---
**Author:** ![Merijeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f05b48/32.png) [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2005, 1:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-2-3-fragged-open-spoilers/314784/36 "2005-08-01T01:43:19Z")
> [@MacTech](#): > > what about Starbuck being a Toaster, it’d explain how she’s “The Best \ in the fleet” and also her ease in flying the Raider… Ooh, good point. I think I mentioned it a previous thread… Because you’re right, that would explain it. Here’s a fun game we can play…who do we know for sure ISN’T a Cylon? I’ll open with Helo. No point to the whole Cylon experiment if he’s a Cylon. I also think that Lee Adama is safe…unless his dad is a Cylon. I think anyone over a certain age (probably 40+ years) would have been around before the previous war in which the Cylons, presumably, didn’t have the technology to produce fake-humans, otherwise they would have used them. However, that idea goes out of the airlock if the Cylons were capable of speed-growing fake-humans. Who else? -Joe ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2005, 2:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-2-3-fragged-open-spoilers/314784/37 "2005-08-01T02:21:19Z")
Baltar is obviously human, or Six wouldn’t have had to seduce him. ---
**Author:** ![Merijeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f05b48/32.png) [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2005, 2:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-2-3-fragged-open-spoilers/314784/38 "2005-08-01T02:24:54Z")
> [@silenus](#): > > Baltar is obviously human, or Six wouldn’t have had to seduce him. Probably…but he could have been a deep-cover agent and, rather than having a chip planted in him, his dueling personalities manifest themselves as Six and Baltar rather than in the dark dreams and depression that Sharon had. Although I’m just playing Devil’s Advocate here - I’d personally put Baltar at the bottom of the list. Unless they’ve tried to manufacture him as some sort of avatar or something… -Joe ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2005, 2:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-2-3-fragged-open-spoilers/314784/39 "2005-08-01T02:29:52Z")
If Baltar is a Cylon, then the whole mythos falls apart and the story becomes stupid. There has to be a tragic hero, and Baltar the Nut-job is in place to be just that. Of course, the _real_ deep=cover Cylon is… one of the staff writers! 😃 ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2005, 2:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-2-3-fragged-open-spoilers/314784/40 "2005-08-01T02:35:53Z")
> [@silenus](#): > > There has to be a tragic hero, and Baltar the Nut-job is in place to be just that. No way! Stealing the little old lady’s raffle number to get a ride on the raptor? He’s evil and an ass. Does seem hard to believe that he survived the Caprican blast in the credits, though. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-2-3-fragged-open-spoilers/314784.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-2-3-fragged-open-spoilers/314784.md?page=3)