# Battlestar Galactica 2.3 — "Fragged" (open spoilers) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [July 29, 2005, 6:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-2-3-fragged-open-spoilers/314784 "2005-07-29T18:30:51Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 13\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2005, 12:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-2-3-fragged-open-spoilers/314784/81 "2005-08-02T00:41:50Z")
> [@silenus](#): > > Tigh is very much in character. He is “The Peter Principle” incarnate. The man has some definate skills, but they are all military. He can’t deal with people that aren’t in a clearly deliniated chain-of-command, and he can’t handle leadership. He is the perfect XO, and the worst commander possible. What makes him fascinating to watch is that _he knows all of this_. I agree with this. And the worst part of it, for him, is that this makes him vulnerable to his wife’s manipulations. She has always been much more at ease in social situations; she’s much more in tune with the details of interpersonal interactions, politics, and all the rest. Hell, she’s slept with half the uniforms around her husband. He knows this. He knows she’s better at this stuff than he is. And when he’s out of his depth, as he is when he’s trying to deal with the Quorum, she can step in and tell him what to do, and _it sounds reasonable to him_ because he simply doesn’t know any better. (Not to mention how she keeps feeding him booze.) The last few minutes of this episode, where Tigh followed her advice to the letter (which, it’s important to recognize, would have worked exactly as intended, except that Roslin got her meds), then confessed to Adama that he was fracking everything up, were just excruciating to watch. Tigh is indeed a very good XO, as he’s demonstrated several times, but he’s crap in the top job. (Remember in the miniseries, his indecision about shutting off part of the ship during the fire crisis?) All of this is perfectly in character for him. Actually, the show has been fairly careful about keeping its people flawed. Starbuck is great at operational stuff, but an emotional mess. Crashdown was a good pilot and a good military cog, but couldn’t handle his group in a survival situation on the ground. Tyrol is an excellent people person and would have been a much better leader, but his loyalties blind him to larger obligations (e.g. his refusal to turn on Boomer, despite compelling doubts, during the tribunal episode). And so on. The least-flawed personality on the show so far is Gaeta, and we just haven’t gotten to know him that well yet. He probably picks his nose and wipes the boogers on the underside of his duty console. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![msmith537](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/d9b06d/32.png) [@msmith537](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/msmith537)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2005, 12:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-2-3-fragged-open-spoilers/314784/82 "2005-08-02T00:47:43Z")
> [@HPL](#): > > BTW, did anyone else think that Tyrol firing at the cylons only to be saved by the aircraft was an homage to “Saving Private Ryan”? Considering last week they used the D-Day password / challange “Flash” / “Thunder”? And all of them hovering around that dieing guy just before giving him a lethal dose of whatever their version of Morphine is just like Ribisi’s character? All it needed was Six to tell Baltar to “earn this” and we’d be out of homage country and into great big rip-off town. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2005, 12:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-2-3-fragged-open-spoilers/314784/83 "2005-08-02T00:49:08Z")
> [@Cervaise](#): > > The least-flawed personality on the show so far is Gaeta, and we just haven’t gotten to know him that well yet. He probably picks his nose and wipes the boogers on the underside of his duty console. 🙂 I have it on good authority that in the British version, he _eats_ them. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2005, 2:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-2-3-fragged-open-spoilers/314784/84 "2005-08-02T02:26:32Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > RE: Water > > When reviewing the plan to resupply from ice on a planet. he seemed to be grandstanding. Something like, “Well fiddlesticks Mr. Smith, how will we get six gazillion pounds of ice onto the ship?” etc. > > I wonder now if he was trying to improve morale with humor or if he was in his cups. Both, I think. The only time Tigh isn’t a total hard-ass is when he’s got a few belts in him. You know whenever you hear that almost human chuckle in his voice, he’s been hitting the cup, but then, that’s the only time you really want to serve under the asshole. A sober Tigh is a _real_ inhuman hard-ass. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2005, 3:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-2-3-fragged-open-spoilers/314784/85 "2005-08-02T03:53:34Z")
> [@levdrakon](#): > > that’s the only time you really want to serve under the asshole. A sober Tigh is a _real_ inhuman hard-ass. Who do you want running the store when Adama is in a coma and you’ve been boarded by Cylons? “Auxillary control RFN, YES SIR!” (I misquote, I’m sure.) 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Ponder\_Stibbons](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ponder_stibbons/32/343_2.png) [@Ponder\_Stibbons](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ponder_Stibbons)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2005, 2:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-2-3-fragged-open-spoilers/314784/86 "2005-08-02T14:23:51Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > It would change from a pretty decent science fiction program to _Survivor in Space_. My thoughts exactly, although I would have compared it to _“Lost” in Space_. 😉 While having Starbuck being a Cylon would be consistent with the universe as presented on the show so far, I think that as a plot device it would be pretty cheesy, and Ron Moore wouldn’t do that to us. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2005, 3:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-2-3-fragged-open-spoilers/314784/87 "2005-08-02T15:01:39Z")
> [@Ponder Stibbons](#): > > While having Starbuck being a Cylon would be consistent with the universe as presented on the show so far, I think that as a plot device it would be pretty cheesy, and Ron Moore wouldn’t do that to us. I couldn’t have said it better myself. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![GrizzRich](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/7ba0ec/32.png) [@GrizzRich](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GrizzRich)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2005, 6:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-2-3-fragged-open-spoilers/314784/88 "2005-08-02T18:43:39Z")
I’m wondering how many projectile rounds are in a Cylon’s magazine. Those toasters just kept firing and firing on the squad heading toward the dish… and barely hit squat! ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2005, 6:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-2-3-fragged-open-spoilers/314784/89 "2005-08-02T18:58:08Z")
> [@GrizzRich](#): > > Those toasters just kept firing and firing on the squad heading toward the dish… and barely hit squat! You would think aiming would be a problem in parabolic motion easily solved by a computer. OTOH, the seem to be a prototype for Imperial Stormstrooper weapons training. ---
**Author:** ![mrklutz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ebca7d/32.png) [@mrklutz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mrklutz)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2005, 7:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-2-3-fragged-open-spoilers/314784/90 "2005-08-02T19:29:30Z")
> [@Sean Factotum](#): > > …The Holy Toaster says “Screw you guys, you’re on your own on this rock. I’m going home.” Damn you, **SF**! Now I’m always going to picture the Cylon god as a larger-than-life Cartman. :eek: ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2005, 8:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-2-3-fragged-open-spoilers/314784/91 "2005-08-02T20:15:38Z")
“I shot Adama twice in the chest from close range. Who wants to touch me? I SAID WHO WANTS TO FRACKIN’ TOUCH ME!” ---
**Author:** ![Sean\_Factotum](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/50afbb/32.png) [@Sean\_Factotum](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sean_Factotum)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2005, 1:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-2-3-fragged-open-spoilers/314784/92 "2005-08-03T13:10:03Z")
> [@mrklutz](#): > > Damn you, **SF**! Now I’m always going to picture the Cylon god as a larger-than-life Cartman. > > :eek: [EC] Sweeeeeet! [/EC] ---
**Author:** ![msmith537](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/d9b06d/32.png) [@msmith537](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/msmith537)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2005, 3:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-2-3-fragged-open-spoilers/314784/93 "2005-08-03T15:54:51Z")
Actually, all of humanity is Cylon. They lost the war and everyone was programmed not to know it. Sounds cool at least. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-2-3-fragged-open-spoilers/314784.md?page=4)