# Battlestar Galactica 2.4 — "Resistance" (open spoilers) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [August 5, 2005, 5:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-2-4-resistance-open-spoilers/315747 "2005-08-05T17:53:23Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2005, 3:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-2-4-resistance-open-spoilers/315747/41 "2005-08-07T03:31:18Z")
> [@Lumpy](#): > > I hope she goes to Cylon Heaven. Well, there are two or three or fifty of her left. If there are other Cylons in the fleet, could she send her counsiousness to safe keeping, or is it lost like the one the President defenestrated? FYI: Cylon heaven is staffed by the Maytag Man. ---
**Author:** ![Oslo\_Ostragoth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/a9a28c/32.png) [@Oslo\_Ostragoth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oslo_Ostragoth)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2005, 10:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-2-4-resistance-open-spoilers/315747/42 "2005-08-07T10:46:43Z")
> [@Lumpy](#): > > Poor Boomer! A major character that we grew fond of (even though we KNEW she was a Cylon), and she dies like a dog, rejected, beaten and killed by those she called her friends. I hope she goes to Cylon Heaven. (I am coming to this show and thread late, but…) isn’t there a **real** Boomer somewhere? Or is that irrelevant because we have only seen the Toaster-Boomer in the show? Somebody hep me… ---
**Author:** ![MaddyStrut](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/dbc845/32.png) [@MaddyStrut](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MaddyStrut)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2005, 2:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-2-4-resistance-open-spoilers/315747/43 "2005-08-07T14:08:02Z")
> [@Oslo Ostragoth](#): > > (I am coming to this show and thread late, but…) isn’t there a **real** Boomer somewhere? Or is that irrelevant because we have only seen the Toaster-Boomer in the show? > > Somebody hep me… That’s unknown. They’ve never clarified whether the human-form cylons are replicas of existing humans or created on their own. Personally, I’d prefer it if they were the latter. There’s so much ambiguity about whether the human-form cylons are machines or living, sentient beings. Some of that (just a small bit, certainly not all) goes away if they are based on real people. I prefer the ambiguity. ---
**Author:** ![FilmGeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/b19c9b/32.png) [@FilmGeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FilmGeek)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2005, 2:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-2-4-resistance-open-spoilers/315747/44 "2005-08-07T14:56:10Z")
I missed the first ten minutes. Could someone tell me what happened? I came in as Cally was confronting Baltar in the hall about Tyrol (my favorite character by far, and they better stop “killing” him in every damn episode). ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2005, 5:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-2-4-resistance-open-spoilers/315747/45 "2005-08-07T17:52:57Z")
The important bit was that Tigh had Tyrol in the brig, accusing him of being a Cylon (or a collaborator) because his girlfriend Valerii turned out to be one, and was irrationally beating the crap out of him. The teaser ended with Tyrol lying on his side, blood dripping from his face, in the same droplet-splashing-to-the-deck closeup that ended the show after the Boomer was shot. ---
**Author:** ![MacTech](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c0e974/32.png) [@MacTech](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MacTech)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2005, 9:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-2-4-resistance-open-spoilers/315747/46 "2005-08-07T21:27:30Z")
> [@FilmGeek](#): > > I missed the first ten minutes. Could someone tell me what happened? I came in as Cally was confronting Baltar in the hall about Tyrol (my favorite character by far, and they better stop “killing” him in every damn episode). “Oh my God, they killed Tyrol!, you bastards!!” ---
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2005, 4:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-2-4-resistance-open-spoilers/315747/47 "2005-08-08T04:30:36Z")
So what are we thinking about Cally there at the end? Did Baltar cut a deal with her to off Boomer? Cally’s got a fatal attraction thing with Tyrol? Even if he is a Cylon? Why does Cally not have a problem chewing a human male’s ear off, or duking it out with a human male, yet finds herself unable to take action when it’s Cylons? Except for Boomer of course. Did she kill Boomer to make up for her inaction planet-side? To shut her up before she revealed anything? Just plain old fashioned hate for Cylons? Guess Cally’s not going to be Tyrol’s favorite little deckhand anymore. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2005, 5:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-2-4-resistance-open-spoilers/315747/48 "2005-08-08T05:35:10Z")
> [@levdrakon](#): > > Why does Cally not have a problem chewing a human male’s ear off, or duking it out with a human male, yet finds herself unable to take action when it’s Cylons? That…is very interesting. I hadn’t noted that before. Callie as a Cylon will shatter my world-view, but it would make sense. I now demand a Cylon Girls spread in Playboy! 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2005, 7:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-2-4-resistance-open-spoilers/315747/49 "2005-08-08T07:05:15Z")
They’re sideways, you know. ---
**Author:** ![Merijeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f05b48/32.png) [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2005, 2:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-2-4-resistance-open-spoilers/315747/50 "2005-08-08T14:38:27Z")
The moment we saw Boomer from the front, with nobody blocking her, with the shackles on I said to the girlfriend, “I bet she’s about to get Jack Ruby’d”. Now I’m accused of watching it without her… Of course, were she better at history I’d probably have been corrected that she was about to be Oswald’d… -Joe ---
**Author:** ![Hypno-Toad](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/b2d939/32.png) [@Hypno-Toad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hypno-Toad)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2005, 3:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-2-4-resistance-open-spoilers/315747/51 "2005-08-08T15:09:04Z")
> [@silenus](#): > > That…is very interesting. I hadn’t noted that before. Callie as a Cylon will shatter my world-view, but it would make sense. Sounds like it’s time for a glowing spine test… ---
**Author:** ![lawoot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/35a633/32.png) [@lawoot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lawoot)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2005, 3:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-2-4-resistance-open-spoilers/315747/52 "2005-08-08T15:54:05Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > FYI: Cylon heaven is staffed by the Maytag Man. I’d think Maytag Repairman Heaven would be populated by Boomers - but that’s just me… It does explain the glowing-spine thing - they are toasters, after all, and when you turn on a toaster… 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Sean\_Factotum](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/50afbb/32.png) [@Sean\_Factotum](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sean_Factotum)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2005, 4:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-2-4-resistance-open-spoilers/315747/53 "2005-08-08T16:01:42Z")
> [@levdrakon](#): > > Cally’s got a fatal attraction thing with Tyrol? Even if he is a Cylon? > > Why does Cally not have a problem chewing a human male’s ear off, or duking it out with a human male, yet finds herself unable to take action when it’s Cylons? She doesn’t believe he’s a Cylon. She adores the Chief, especially after their little camping trip. I seem to remember her acting all jealous-y in the pilot and first season whenever Boomer was around, 'cause she knew the two of them were getting it on in the weapons locker. And wasn’t her inaction on Kobol more of a self-preservation thing? I seem to remember that Crashdown was sending her out to draw the fire of the Cylons guarding the launcher, but wasn’t going to give her a weapon (they didn’t have enough to go around.) I can’t think of a more sure way of committing suicide than that. Someone without any real combat training or with low self-esteem (just a guess) would naturally freeze-up in that situation. And I gotta agree that Billy may be getting set-up as a Cylon, especially after the little Ron Moore tidbit. Just because the actor wants to leave the show doesn’t mean they can’t use him as a Cylon. But there was nothing in this episode that made me think that Ellen Tigh isn’t Toaster #5. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2005, 4:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-2-4-resistance-open-spoilers/315747/54 "2005-08-08T16:21:02Z")
That _would_ give us the maximum betrayal action for the buck, wouldn’t it? If Adama or Tigh turned out to be Cylon, most of the viewers would turn the show off in disgust. So how high can a Cylon sleeper be and still be believable? Ellen Tigh would be perfect. Her outing as a Cylon would crush Tigh, and send him reeling between self-pity and total hardassness, trying to prove than he was still a loyal Human. Adama would be torn between his XO and a possible security leak. Not to mention Tigh being totally alienated from the rest of the crew. In fact, the only one who would know exactly how he feels would be…the Chief. Karmic payback is a bitch. 😃 I still want to see a nekkid shower scene of Callie, Boomer, Dualla and Six. I’ve been good… ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2005, 4:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-2-4-resistance-open-spoilers/315747/55 "2005-08-08T16:55:25Z")
> [@Sean Factotum](#): > > sending her out to draw the fire of the Cylons guarding the launcher, but wasn’t going to give her a weapon (they didn’t have enough to go around.) The second wave of Russians going over the top in WWI were not armed and were instructed to pick up weapons from their fallen comrades. This could not have been conducive to good morale. > [@Sean Factotum](#): > > And I gotta agree that Billy may be getting set-up as a Cylon, especially after the little Ron Moore tidbit. How often must I reoeat the mantra, “Ron Moore will not turn BG into _Survivor: Cylon_”? ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2005, 5:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-2-4-resistance-open-spoilers/315747/56 "2005-08-08T17:44:23Z")
> [@silenus](#): > > Ellen Tigh would be perfect. Wasn’t it at the end of the episode where she reappeared, “Tigh Me Up, Tigh Me Down,” that after Baltar announced that his test had confirmed Ellen as human, Number Six asked him some variant of “really?” and Baltar responded with a coy variation on “I’ll never tell”? ---
**Author:** ![Merijeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f05b48/32.png) [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2005, 5:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-2-4-resistance-open-spoilers/315747/57 "2005-08-08T17:52:34Z")
> [@Sean Factotum](#): > > And I gotta agree that Billy may be getting set-up as a Cylon, especially after the little Ron Moore tidbit. Just because the actor wants to leave the show doesn’t mean they can’t use him as a Cylon. But there was nothing in this episode that made me think that Ellen Tigh isn’t Toaster #5. Let’s keep in mind that Billy was trying to emotionally blackmail Roslyn into staying with the non-FTL ships in the pilot… -Joe, just suggesting ---
**Author:** ![Corner\_Case](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/corner_case/32/234_2.png) [@Corner\_Case](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Corner_Case)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2005, 5:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-2-4-resistance-open-spoilers/315747/58 "2005-08-08T17:56:30Z")
I was literally thinking, “Hmm, I wonder if they’re going to do a” {Callie shoots} “Jack Ruby … on … her. Okay.” 🙂 What if the Uber-Cylons are based on real humans and Six is an upgrade from a basic Ellen Tigh model? What if Tigh is a Cylon? 😉 Whether Billy-the-actor leaves the show or not should not affect the writing of the character. Cylon or human, he can be killed, jailed, melted/injured-and-reformed-into-George-Hamilton, etc. So he’s either growing some and supporting the Colony as a whoe, or he’s staying aboard Galactica as a spy. And he can be a human or Cylon spy for awhile. “Psst, I just heard Galactica is sending a team to search on your ship.” etc. If no one is confident in Baltar’s Cylong detector, they could always just bring each crewmember to orgasm and see who’s spine glowed. … Oh yeah, they’re not supposed to know that yet. How many "Starbuck is the best at"s does this make now? ---
**Author:** ![Corner\_Case](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/corner_case/32/234_2.png) [@Corner\_Case](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Corner_Case)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2005, 6:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-2-4-resistance-open-spoilers/315747/59 "2005-08-08T18:14:04Z")
> [@silenus](#): > > I now demand a Cylon Girls spread in Playboy! > [@Cervaise](#): > > They’re sideways, you know. [As you wish…](http://shopper.howstuffworks.com/products/Cuisinart+CPT_120+Cast+Metal+2_Slice+Toaster/SF-1/PID-21246525) > [@Description](#): > > Streamlined and specially designed to sit sideways or facing forward on kitchen counters … and … Thats a nice position to be in! Careful! Don’t let your crumbs fall out. ---
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2005, 7:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-2-4-resistance-open-spoilers/315747/60 "2005-08-08T19:28:30Z")
> [@Cervaise](#): > > Wasn’t it at the end of the episode where she reappeared, “Tigh Me Up, Tigh Me Down,” that after Baltar announced that his test had confirmed Ellen as human, Number Six asked him some variant of “really?” and Baltar responded with a coy variation on “I’ll never tell”? My favorite theory about that is Ellen isn’t a Cylon. But, she’s got a Cylon chip in her head, similar to Baltar’s. It makes sense to me. I figure a human Cylon grabbed the unconscious Ellen off Caprica and made sure she got on one of the evacuation ships. There, this Cylon took care of her, planted the chip, waited long enough to be sure she’d accept the chip, then dropped her off at a med bay or someplace. No one in the fleet remembers seeing Ellen, or tending her injuries before that. She’s got the perfect personality for it. Greedy, self-serving, manipulative, she’d do anything, or anyone to get what she wants. So what if she has to further the Cylon’s agenda to get it? Six may have known Ellen wasn’t one of the 12 Cylon models, but she may have sensed the Cylon presence in her. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-2-4-resistance-open-spoilers/315747.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-2-4-resistance-open-spoilers/315747.md?page=4)