# Battlestar Galactica 2.7 — "Home, Pt. 2" (open spoilers) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [August 26, 2005, 10:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-2-7-home-pt-2-open-spoilers/318803 "2005-08-26T22:14:10Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Merijeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f05b48/32.png) [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2005, 7:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-2-7-home-pt-2-open-spoilers/318803/61 "2005-08-28T19:25:14Z")
> [@picker](#): > > Also, was I wrong in thinking that Balthar gave the Doc the finger when he pushed his glasses up on his face as they were examining the test results? My wife immediately started laughing, and I saw it on the later showing. That was my thinking too (and I laughed as your wife did), but the little woman assures me it was just a coincidence. Oh, and for everyone it is **Baltar**!!! Where does the h come from? > [@](#): > > This is what I don’t get. If the cylons know more about the human’s religion than the humans, why couldn’t the cylons get the arrow and find the tomb of Athena and Earth themselves long before the humans even got there? Well…that’s the question now, isn’t it? Why couldn’t the Cylons do it themselves? They had control of the arrow and of Kobol. Maybe a Clyon can make it work? My own guess would be something involving God having turned his back on Kobol. Then again, if the Colonials’ gods were actual in-the-flesh beings…what were they? -Joe ---
**Author:** ![Merejane](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a6a055/32.png) [@Merejane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merejane)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2005, 8:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-2-7-home-pt-2-open-spoilers/318803/62 "2005-08-28T20:08:26Z")
I loved it when Boomer gave Helo that _farther/further_ vocabulary lesson. ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Duality](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mr.duality/32/4098_2.png) [@Mr.Duality](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Duality)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2005, 2:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-2-7-home-pt-2-open-spoilers/318803/63 "2005-08-29T02:15:07Z")
So, was it actually the recreational chemicals talking after the first time Balthar flinched during the brainscan, when I thought I heard RealDoctor say “fuck”? ---
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2005, 2:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-2-7-home-pt-2-open-spoilers/318803/64 "2005-08-29T02:23:26Z")
> [@Merejane](#): > > I loved it when Boomer gave Helo that _farther/further_ vocabulary lesson. The men in this show do seem to be blazingly dumb. ---
**Author:** ![Critical1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/3e96dc/32.png) [@Critical1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Critical1)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2005, 4:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-2-7-home-pt-2-open-spoilers/318803/65 "2005-08-29T04:34:30Z")
> [@MaddyStrut](#): > > This is what I don’t get. If the cylons know more about the human’s religion than the humans, why couldn’t the cylons get the arrow and find the tomb of Athena and Earth themselves long before the humans even got there? the Cylons need humans to procreate, they cant kill em off until they get that last issue worked out, once they can breed without humans the fight is really on. or so I think. ---
**Author:** ![Pork\_Rind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pork_rind/32/111_2.png) [@Pork\_Rind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pork_Rind)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2005, 4:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-2-7-home-pt-2-open-spoilers/318803/66 "2005-08-29T04:35:02Z")
> [@Mr. Duality](#): > > So, was it actually the recreational chemicals talking after the first time Balthar flinched during the brainscan, when I thought I heard RealDoctor say “fuck”? I rewound it three or four times and I’m now pretty sure he actually said “fuck”. ---
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2005, 7:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-2-7-home-pt-2-open-spoilers/318803/67 "2005-08-29T07:23:32Z")
> [@sturmhauke](#): > > Did anyone else think that Starbuck has been acting distinctly girlish lately? Her hair has grown out and she has it in a cute little ponytail, she looked like a stunned child upon seeing Adama, and she had a big goofy grin inside the tomb, as opposed to her usual smartass grin. I listened to an interview with the actress before this season started filming, and the actress said one of the things she really wanted to do was grow her hair out. She didn’t really come out and say “I want to be more feminine” but I got that general impression. The actress loves how strong Starbuck is. > [@](#): > > Also, was I wrong in thinking that Balthar gave the Doc the finger when he pushed his glasses up on his face as they were examining the test results? My wife immediately started laughing, and I saw it on the later showing. Tough call, but I wouldn’t doubt Ron Moore meant that to be an ambiguous “fuck you.” An American would no doubt take it that way, but foreigners in general find their middle finger perfectly useful for pushing their glasses up. ---
**Author:** ![sturmhauke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e47c2d/32.png) [@sturmhauke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sturmhauke)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2005, 7:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-2-7-home-pt-2-open-spoilers/318803/68 "2005-08-29T07:55:02Z")
> [@levdrakon](#): > > An American would no doubt take it that way, but foreigners in general find their middle finger perfectly useful for pushing their glasses up. George Costanza: I heard of a guy who eats Snickers bars with a knife and fork, because he doesn’t want to get his fingers dirty. (later in the episode) George: Did you see that? The waitress was pointing with her middle finger! She flipped me off! Jerry: Well, she didn’t want to get her _mouth_ dirty. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Merijeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f05b48/32.png) [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2005, 2:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-2-7-home-pt-2-open-spoilers/318803/69 "2005-08-29T14:02:22Z")
> [@Critical1](#): > > the Cylons need humans to procreate, they cant kill em off until they get that last issue worked out, once they can breed without humans the fight is really on. > or so I think. If that’s the case you can just lock them all up somewhere. Or let them “escape” and keep an eye on them till you decide it’s time to round them all up for some good old fashioned inseminatin’. -Joe, fully seminated ---
**Author:** ![Sean\_Factotum](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/50afbb/32.png) [@Sean\_Factotum](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sean_Factotum)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2005, 2:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-2-7-home-pt-2-open-spoilers/318803/70 "2005-08-29T14:50:22Z")
> [@Merijeek](#): > > If that’s the case you can just lock them all up somewhere. Or let them “escape” and keep an eye on them till you decide it’s time to round them all up for some good old fashioned inseminatin’. That won’t work. When Starbuck, Helo, C-Boomer and The Wolverines were cleaning up the baby factory, C-Boomer said that the Cylons thought there was something missing in just straight insemination, and that’s why they set things up so that her and Helo could conceive a baby out of love. ---
**Author:** ![msmith537](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/d9b06d/32.png) [@msmith537](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/msmith537)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2005, 3:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-2-7-home-pt-2-open-spoilers/318803/71 "2005-08-29T15:44:01Z")
> [@sturmhauke](#): > > Did anyone else think that Starbuck has been acting distinctly girlish lately? Her hair has grown out and she has it in a cute little ponytail, she looked like a stunned child upon seeing Adama, and she had a big goofy grin inside the tomb, as opposed to her usual smartass grin. It seemed like it kind of started when she was back from Caprica a few episodes back. There was the scene where she was bickering with Apollo over a ball like a couple of school kids on the playground. Maybe the trip home caused her to regress. Maybe that’s how she really is when she’s comfortible and doesn’t feel the need to put on the tough soldier act. ---
**Author:** ![Corner\_Case](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/corner_case/32/234_2.png) [@Corner\_Case](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Corner_Case)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2005, 4:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-2-7-home-pt-2-open-spoilers/318803/72 "2005-08-29T16:23:20Z")
I loved seeing them slog through the mud and Roslyn clutching that worn, soaked, disintegrating, blood-stained bible. Helo is in need of some serious counseling. He took a military oath and just goes along when Sharon says she has to take matters into her own hands - implying killing? Maybe when Starbuck placed the Arrow into the statue, there was a bio sensor and only organic beings would be allowed to activate the holodeck. Maybe the gods had problems in the past with AIs and put in safeguards. But still, the Cylons should have found the holodeck already. The really ironic part is that, if Starbuck had just twisted the arrow a quarter-turn after putting it in the statue, the holodeck would have skipped the planetarium intro and just gone to menu mode with the prompt, “Astrometrics On-Line. How may I be of assistance?” I got from Roslyn’s comment that the displayed constellations were known by their old names; Libra, Cancer, etc. This implied the humans of BSG were descedants of Earth humans and that all of this is in our future. The crew can go into the planetarium and photograph everything and start letting the computers crunch away and try to match up the stars and patterns. Since the Earth constellations are smeared all over the galaxy, I think Earth’s ancestors ventured forth, found 12 colonies (and maybe more), and gave them fun names as well as the official military/civilian names. The fun ones stuck over time, especially if the colonies ever went through a dark ages where mysticism gained a foothold. Each colony then had people find a nice star pattern matching their name and grew to believe that name and star pattern over their planet was the original. If you look up from any planet, I’ll bet you could find a Libra, a Cancer, etc. somewhere. The constellation Cancer you see from Earth does not have the star around which the Colony planet Canceria is located. It just has a similar constellation. So, the real point is that the constellations on the holodeck should have measurable distances between points and probably the correct color coding and size for the stars. Plug them in the computer, crunch, and say, “Hey I’ve found a pattern match, but oh, this star should be a red giant, not a blue dwarf.” “Carry on.” The big heartache is, the humans have found the holodeck. Now, you don’t want the Cylons to get any of this info so - you’ve got to blow it up! “Don’t try to get the technology! The Cylons are coming! Just Blow It Up!” “But it will just take a second.” “No, we’ve got to blow it up Now!” “You do realize that it’s taking longer to talk about it than for me to just unplug the thing and cart it away?” “Just Blow It Up and let’s get going!” ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2005, 4:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-2-7-home-pt-2-open-spoilers/318803/73 "2005-08-29T16:38:04Z")
> [@Corner Case](#): > > But still, the Cylons should have found the holodeck already. They do seem to have severe imagination deficits. > [@](#): > > The crew can go into the planetarium and photograph everything and start letting the computers crunch away and try to match up the stars and patterns. They don’t even need photos. The constellations are on the flags of each of the 12 Colonies, but don’t exist in the Caprican system, implying the colonies existed as separate entities even on Kobol. Could have been a religious reason for maintaining the Earth-based constellations of the Zodiac, too. > [@](#): > > So, the real point is that the constellations on the holodeck should have measurable distances between points and probably the correct color coding and size for the stars. Plug them in the computer, crunch, and say, “Hey I’ve found a pattern match, but oh, this star should be a red giant, not a blue dwarf.” “Carry on.” In the show’s timeline, the humans have astrometric data for only a limited part of the universe, apparently not including Earth or even Kobol’s regions. Computer crunching won’t do it - they have to search the sphere at a roughly-known radius around the nebula. Even one more fix would have made a huge difference. > [@](#): > > The big heartache is, the humans have found the holodeck. Now, you don’t want the Cylons to get any of this info so - you’ve got to blow it up! The Cylons just have to follow the humans to find Earth. They need to keep track of the fleet anyway, as part of the Plan. > [@msmith537](#): > > There was the scene where she was bickering with Apollo over a ball like a couple of school kids on the playground. Don’t you know foreplay when you see it? ---
**Author:** ![msmith537](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/d9b06d/32.png) [@msmith537](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/msmith537)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2005, 6:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-2-7-home-pt-2-open-spoilers/318803/74 "2005-08-29T18:16:02Z")
> [@Corner Case](#): > > The really ironic part is that, if Starbuck had just twisted the arrow a quarter-turn after putting it in the statue, the holodeck would have skipped the planetarium intro and just gone to menu mode with the prompt, “Astrometrics On-Line. How may I be of assistance?” Welcome to the Tomb of Athena Gift Shop… ---
**Author:** ![sturmhauke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e47c2d/32.png) [@sturmhauke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sturmhauke)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2005, 7:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-2-7-home-pt-2-open-spoilers/318803/75 "2005-08-29T19:46:22Z")
> [@msmith537](#): > > It seemed like it kind of started when she was back from Caprica a few episodes back. There was the scene where she was bickering with Apollo over a ball like a couple of school kids on the playground. Maybe the trip home caused her to regress. Maybe that’s how she really is when she’s comfortible and doesn’t feel the need to put on the tough soldier act. I was thinking she’s been through some pretty crazy events, and isn’t the same Starbuck we saw playing poker and punching Tigh in the face in the pilot episode. ---
**Author:** ![Pork\_Rind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pork_rind/32/111_2.png) [@Pork\_Rind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pork_Rind)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2005, 8:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-2-7-home-pt-2-open-spoilers/318803/76 "2005-08-29T20:02:32Z")
> [@Corner Case](#): > > The really ironic part is that, if Starbuck had just twisted the arrow a quarter-turn after putting it in the statue, the holodeck would have skipped the planetarium intro and just gone to menu mode with the prompt, “Astrometrics On-Line. How may I be of assistance?” [moviephone]Why not just _say_ the name of the planet you’d like to find?[/moviephone] ---
**Author:** ![D\_Odds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/d_odds/32/2882_2.png) [@D\_Odds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Odds)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2005, 8:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-2-7-home-pt-2-open-spoilers/318803/77 "2005-08-29T20:19:59Z")
> [@sturmhauke](#): > > I was thinking she’s been through some pretty crazy events, and isn’t the same Starbuck we saw playing poker and punching Tigh in the face in the pilot episode. She’s had to rehab two major injuries thus far. First was the knee. Second was the gunshot. In between, she got the living feces kicked out of her by Six _(who can kick my buttocks any day of the week, and I’ll pay)_. I’m amazed that both she and Adama are out hiking, both having suffered recent gut gunshot injuries. If I ever get shot, I want one of their doctors. ---
**Author:** ![FlightlessBird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/cdc98d/32.png) [@FlightlessBird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FlightlessBird)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2005, 8:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-2-7-home-pt-2-open-spoilers/318803/78 "2005-08-29T20:32:35Z")
In terms of the timeline of planets, there could be the travel back and forth that has been suggested, but I wanted to add something the Cylons have been saying all along (season one at least) “All this has happened before and will happen again”. Maybe the circular experience will make sense. I hope so. Above all I will say that I’m loving this season. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Mad\_Hermit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b5ac83/32.png) [@The\_Mad\_Hermit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Mad_Hermit)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2005, 11:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-2-7-home-pt-2-open-spoilers/318803/79 "2005-08-29T23:14:01Z")
[ > [@](#): > > I]Originally Posted by\* **Corner Case** > Since the Earth constellations are smeared all over the galaxy, Most of the stars in the constellations of the Zodiac are within a few hundred light years of Earth. As you move through the galaxy the stars move out of the familiar patterns. If you would like to check it out for yourself, [get this free program](http://www.shatters.net/celestia/) ---
**Author:** ![Baldwin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/baldwin/32/7264_2.png) [@Baldwin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baldwin)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2005, 12:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-2-7-home-pt-2-open-spoilers/318803/80 "2005-08-30T00:26:11Z")
> [@](#): > > I got from Roslyn’s comment that the displayed constellations were known by their old names; Libra, Cancer, etc. This implied the humans of BSG were descedants of Earth humans and that all of this is in our future. That’s the only way I can see this stuff ever making sense. (I checked the tape and they did refer to the Lagoon Nebula being in Scorpius, instead of Sagittarius; stupid error. I mean, it’s a pivotal scene for the whole series; they could have just looked up the information.) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-2-7-home-pt-2-open-spoilers/318803.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-2-7-home-pt-2-open-spoilers/318803.md?page=5)