# Battlestar Galactica 2.7 — "Home, Pt. 2" (open spoilers) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [August 26, 2005, 10:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-2-7-home-pt-2-open-spoilers/318803 "2005-08-26T22:14:10Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 12\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2005, 7:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-2-7-home-pt-2-open-spoilers/318803/101 "2005-08-30T19:25:39Z")
“All this has happened before” could just be figurative, too. Maybe it only means that Zeus and family kick the mortals off the planet every time they forget to worship them properly submissively, but they never remember, do they? First they had to be exiled from Earth. Then the exile from Kobol. Now the exile from the Caprica system. Let’s get ourselves a clue before it happens again, huh? ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2005, 7:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-2-7-home-pt-2-open-spoilers/318803/102 "2005-08-30T19:29:42Z")
> [@Ponder Stibbons](#): > > Hey, if it turns out the Cylon God is just another Cylon who doesn’t really believe in anything and is using religion to manipulate his fellow Cylons, can we call him “Impious Leader”? 😃 Or maybe we can just call him “Dubya.” 😃 ---
**Author:** ![HPL](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/3da27b/32.png) [@HPL](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HPL)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2005, 7:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-2-7-home-pt-2-open-spoilers/318803/103 "2005-08-30T19:41:55Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > Serina shows up next week - will she compete for Apollo’s affections? Boxey keeps getting edited out, but maybe the kid and the mechanical dog will finally get some air time. Oh, Gods No! Anything but a cute little kid and his mechnical monkey-dog. _Remember watching “Gun on Ice Planet Zero” and hoping they’d shoot boxey, or at least scold him for stowing away_ ---
**Author:** ![Baldwin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/baldwin/32/7264_2.png) [@Baldwin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baldwin)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2005, 10:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-2-7-home-pt-2-open-spoilers/318803/104 "2005-08-30T22:38:20Z")
> [@](#): > > “All this has happened before” could just be figurative, too. You’re tellin’ me. Seems like everything that isn’t explicitly shown to be true could be figurative on this show. And we’re spinning an awful lot of speculation out of a bit of dialogue between a possibly insane man and his imaginary robot (definitely a CILF), who may be either a hallucination or some kind of implanted artificial intelligence. Lot of unknowns there. (Though it’s hard to believe in Number Six as just a manifestation of insanity; just too much of a coincidence. Hey – maybe Scorpius from “Farscape” will show up in Baltar’s head!) ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2005, 12:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-2-7-home-pt-2-open-spoilers/318803/105 "2005-08-31T00:48:43Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > Can we call the Cylon God “Imperious Leader”, huh, can we please? By your command. - 🙂 + Cylon smilie, with bolts on his neck. ---
**Author:** ![Loopydude](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e56c9b/32.png) [@Loopydude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loopydude)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2005, 1:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-2-7-home-pt-2-open-spoilers/318803/106 "2005-08-31T01:33:15Z")
“CILF”? Curvacious intelligent life form? ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2005, 1:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-2-7-home-pt-2-open-spoilers/318803/107 "2005-08-31T01:47:17Z")
Cylon I’d Like to Frak. ---
**Author:** ![Loopydude](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e56c9b/32.png) [@Loopydude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loopydude)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2005, 2:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-2-7-home-pt-2-open-spoilers/318803/108 "2005-08-31T02:27:01Z")
Something tells me that is not a joke response… ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2005, 3:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-2-7-home-pt-2-open-spoilers/318803/109 "2005-08-31T03:19:00Z")
> [@Cervaise](#): > > Cylon I’d Like to Frak. CP’s First Rule of Sex: “One must, after all, have something to speak with her about afterwards.” “…So, baby, is the price of nichrome wire increasing?” “BY YOUR COMMAND” “I’ve never seen a girl with such a nice polis…even tan.” “BY YOUR COMMAND” “Baby, what say we drop by the Afterthought and catch some Jazz?” “BY YOUR COMMAND” Are you with me on this, guys? ---
**Author:** ![sturmhauke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e47c2d/32.png) [@sturmhauke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sturmhauke)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2005, 5:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-2-7-home-pt-2-open-spoilers/318803/110 "2005-08-31T05:57:07Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > CP’s First Rule of Sex: > > “One must, after all, have something to speak with her about afterwards.” > > “…So, baby, is the price of nichrome wire increasing?” > “BY YOUR COMMAND” > “I’ve never seen a girl with such a nice polis…even tan.” > “BY YOUR COMMAND” > “Baby, what say we drop by the Afterthought and catch some Jazz?” > “BY YOUR COMMAND” > > Are you with me on this, guys? I keep thinking of Warcraft II: “For the King.” “At once, sire.” “As you wish.” “Are you still touching me?” “Don’t you have a kingdom to run?” “Join the Army, they said.” "See the _world_, they said. :rolleyes: " ---
**Author:** ![mrklutz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ebca7d/32.png) [@mrklutz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mrklutz)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2005, 8:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-2-7-home-pt-2-open-spoilers/318803/111 "2005-08-31T20:43:55Z")
I always took the “All this has happened before” references to be an indication that the scriptures have a cyclical view of time. In that case, “all of this” – the dying leader taking the last remnants of the 12 Colonies to Earth – really has happened, at least in some variant form, last time through the cycle. They’re lifting all the other religious elements from existing real religions, why not cyclical time – I don’t have a good understanding of how that works in Hindu belief, but I’ll bet the writers don’t either. I’ve always operated under the belief that humans of the 12 Colonies created the cylons, and recently enough that it’s a matter of well-known history, not legend. I don’t recall now if that was ever said explicitly, but it at least seemed strongly implied. ---
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2005, 9:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-2-7-home-pt-2-open-spoilers/318803/112 "2005-08-31T21:30:34Z")
I take it as a “history repeats itself” or “those who ignore the past are doomed to repeat it” kind of way of looking at things. So the masters create the slaves, the slaves become the masters, and so on and so on. Perhaps the Cylons have studied and discovered a lot more about human history than the Colonials are currently aware. Perhaps the Kobolians were descendants of slaves from Earth. Then the Kobolians made the same mistake, became masters of slaves, those slaves overthrew the “Lords” of Kobol, and took off to create the colonies. Then the colonies again started making the same mistakes. Back when they introduced Zarek, there was some talk about how some of the colonies were treated unequally, and I think there have even been wars between or among colonies. Then along come the Cylons, and perhaps they want to break the pattern. Wipe out most of humanity. But to ensure they have souls, carefully breed with what’s left of humanity. Remember when Simon was talking with Starbuck about how the children of abusive parents are often afraid to pass on the pattern of abuse to their children? I always thought that was a significant statement, and wasn’t really about Starbuck, but rather the Cylons’ own concerns about breeding with humans. Then there was Leoben who introduced a reincarnation aspect to the “this has all happened before” belief. It’s not that time is cyclical, but rather Leobon believes, or at least wants to believe, that he has a soul, and at some point in the past, his and Starbuck’s souls have met, and they’ve played out their respective roles before. Again, the Cylons want to break the pattern, end the cycle of master/slave, or abuser and the abused. Well, maybe. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-2-7-home-pt-2-open-spoilers/318803.md?page=5)