# Battlestar Galactica 3.1 & 3.2 — "Occupation" & "Precipice" **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [October 6, 2006, 2:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-3-1-3-2-occupation-precipice/375500 "2006-10-06T14:28:56Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![Rilchiam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/2bfe46/32.png) [@Rilchiam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rilchiam)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2006, 1:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-3-1-3-2-occupation-precipice/375500/121 "2006-10-08T01:42:37Z")
For a while, it looked as if Baltar was willing to take the bullet rather than sign the death warrants. I knew he wouldn’t die, of course, but it did take Six to talk him into signing. Re: Ellen’s face. As you may know, the **actress** recently got a Botox treatment that went horribly wrong. As for what happened to the **character** , your guess is as good as mine. But in the interest of working around it, look for her to get slapped around, or ill, or infected, and so on, every week. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2006, 1:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-3-1-3-2-occupation-precipice/375500/122 "2006-10-08T01:48:21Z")
[QUOTE=Rilchiam] I knew he wouldn’t die, of course, but it did take Six to talk him into signing. [/QUOTE] But we know now that Six is an invention of his seriously disturbed…nay, fucked up…mind; so he caved on his own. He’s an ass. [QUOTE=Rilchiam] Re: Ellen’s face. As you may know, the **actress** recently got a Botox treatment that went horribly wrong. [/QUOTE] I am not being combative, but would like a link. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2006, 1:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-3-1-3-2-occupation-precipice/375500/123 "2006-10-08T01:53:17Z")
[QUOTE=carnivorousplant] But we know now that Six is an invention of his seriously disturbed…nay, fucked up…mind; so he caved on his own. He’s an ass. [/QUOTE] I thought last season proved pretty convincingly that it _wasn’t_ all in his head. Or else, it’s a pretty amazing coincidence that the Cylon he fell in love with started having exactly the same sort of hallucinations he has. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2006, 1:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-3-1-3-2-occupation-precipice/375500/124 "2006-10-08T01:58:03Z")
[QUOTE=Miller] I thought last season proved pretty convincingly that it _wasn’t_ all in his head. Or else, it’s a pretty amazing coincidence that the Cylon he fell in love with started having exactly the same sort of hallucinations he has. [/QUOTE] Hmph. I thought that proved it _was_ in his head. _He’s_ not a Cylon that reincarnates (he may be one, but she was dead and reincarnating when she spoke to him) why should Six see him when she reincarnated? Why isn’t she seeing him still, like he sees her? ---
**Author:** ![Oakminster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/77aa72/32.png) [@Oakminster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oakminster)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2006, 2:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-3-1-3-2-occupation-precipice/375500/125 "2006-10-08T02:00:28Z")
[QUOTE=carnivorousplant] But isn’t he a new character who could be killed off without much complaint? Do ya’ll suppose this arc will be going for a while? Is this going to become a major story line rather than the resolution of a cliff hanger? Am I asking too many questions? [/QUOTE] Pure speculation, but I get the impression the series is premised on a dynamic world. Things change. Older characters die off, younger characters evolve. I expect this storyline will become at least a minor arc. Assuming the Fleet will eventually liberate at least some of the settlers, what happens to the goodlife? Do they attempt to reintegrate with the humans, always being vulnerable to being exposed, maybe with Tigh going Wisenthal about it? ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2006, 2:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-3-1-3-2-occupation-precipice/375500/126 "2006-10-08T02:03:10Z")
[QUOTE=carnivorousplant] Hmph. I thought that proved it _was_ in his head. _He’s_ not a Cylon that reincarnates (he may be one, but she was dead and reincarnating when she spoke to him) why should Six see him when she reincarnated? Why isn’t she seeing him still, like he sees her? [/QUOTE] We don’t know that she isn’t still seeing him. We’ve only had the one episode where we saw everything from her point of view, and that was only, what, six episodes ago? Less? ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2006, 2:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-3-1-3-2-occupation-precipice/375500/127 "2006-10-08T02:11:14Z")
[QUOTE=Miller] We don’t know that she isn’t still seeing him. [/QUOTE] I don’t think that would be fair on Moore’s part. You could make the same arguement that Boomer is still waking up wet with “Cylon” painted on her locker. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2006, 2:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-3-1-3-2-occupation-precipice/375500/128 "2006-10-08T02:12:30Z")
[QUOTE=Oakminster] what happens to the goodlife? Do they attempt to reintegrate with the humans, always being vulnerable to being exposed, maybe with Tigh going Wisenthal about it? [/QUOTE] Sorry, you lost me on that. ---
**Author:** ![wonderlust](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonderlust/32/7237_2.png) [@wonderlust](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonderlust)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2006, 2:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-3-1-3-2-occupation-precipice/375500/129 "2006-10-08T02:14:30Z")
> [@](#): > > Everyone getting married was a little irritating. Really, how predictable can you get? Everyone gets married and they all end up with _toasters_. Today I watched the S2 Finale back-to-back with the S3 Openers and I have to say that it was the most exciting television I’ve watched in a long time. Boy they sure did shake things up! I can understand Kara being sympathetic to an injured child, but I don’t buy the instant mommy and daddy scene. What will Boomer-mom do when she bumps into her own daughter on New Caprica? Do you think she’ll catch on somehow? I couldn’t help but think the show’s relevance to today in the U.S. and the world: ie. the reminder of how quickly tough times can snowball into becoming a hellish world. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2006, 2:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-3-1-3-2-occupation-precipice/375500/130 "2006-10-08T02:23:32Z")
[QUOTE=carnivorousplant] Sorry, you lost me on that. [/QUOTE] The secret police’s membership is still secret, even though it can’t stay that way for long. If exposed, would its members be allowed to “de-Nazify” and remain part of human society? ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2006, 2:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-3-1-3-2-occupation-precipice/375500/131 "2006-10-08T02:29:57Z")
[QUOTE=ElvisL1ves] The secret police’s membership is still secret, even though it can’t stay that way for long. If exposed, would its members be allowed to “de-Nazify” and remain part of human society? [/QUOTE] If Roslin would outlaw abortion due to the limited gene pool, I should think so. They would be the guys who go down to ice planets and melt out water; who go to mineral rich planets and have their hair fall out digging up uranium, their lungs rot out mining asbestos; who are killed by predators on planets capturing food animals. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2006, 2:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-3-1-3-2-occupation-precipice/375500/132 "2006-10-08T02:31:57Z")
Oh yes, and change the diapers of the human/cylon hybrids whose excrement glows red. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Excellent](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f19dbf/32.png) [@Mr.Excellent](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Excellent)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2006, 2:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-3-1-3-2-occupation-precipice/375500/133 "2006-10-08T02:38:07Z")
[QUOTE=carnivorousplant] But we know now that Six is an invention of his seriously disturbed…nay, fucked up…mind; so he caved on his own. He’s an ass. [/QUOTE] That’s not entirely fair, I think. (Okay, so who cares about fairness to a fictional character - but still). Yes, Baltar’s made a lot of bad decisions, and that’s why he’s in the situation he’s in. In fact, that’s why _humanity_ is in the situation it’s in. But, still - if someone holds a gun to your head, that’s an overwhelmingly scary thing. Baltar didn’t break because he wanted to gain power from signing, or frak a Six, or stay out of trouble - he broke because he didn’t want his brains splattered all over Colonial One. My guess is that it takes a very special kind of guts to do the right thing, knowing it’ll get you killed immediately, and ultimately won’t even make any difference. Baltar doesn’t have that - but that, in itself, doesn’t make him an ass. ---
**Author:** ![alphaboi867](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alphaboi867/32/3898_2.png) [@alphaboi867](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alphaboi867)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2006, 2:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-3-1-3-2-occupation-precipice/375500/134 "2006-10-08T02:40:09Z")
[QUOTE=carnivorousplant] If Roslin would outlaw abortion due to the limited gene pool, I should think so. They would be the guys who go down to ice planets and melt out water; who go to mineral rich planets and have their hair fall out digging up uranium, their lungs rot out mining asbestos; who are killed by predators on planets capturing food animals. 🙂 [/QUOTE] The Fleet will never have the resources for long-term idle confinement. Therefore I predict collaborators will be divided into 3 categories; A) the highest-level class As will be executed, B) middle-level subject to penal servitude, C) lowest-level no punishment other than public censure (maybe special tattoos) most will fall into this category. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2006, 2:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-3-1-3-2-occupation-precipice/375500/135 "2006-10-08T02:45:26Z")
[QUOTE=Mr. Excellent] but that, in itself, doesn’t make him an ass. [/QUOTE] I don’t think I can express my opinion adequately if we aren’t in the pit. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2006, 2:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-3-1-3-2-occupation-precipice/375500/136 "2006-10-08T02:47:01Z")
[QUOTE=carnivorousplant] I don’t think I can express my opinion adequately if we aren’t in the pit. 🙂 [/QUOTE] About Baltar, not you post. ---
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2006, 2:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-3-1-3-2-occupation-precipice/375500/137 "2006-10-08T02:47:06Z")
[QUOTE=HelloKitty] Hmmm, I gotta disagree a little bit here. [/quote] Cool! I love talking about the show. > [@](#): > > Yes, we know Tighe is in over his head as a Battlestar commander, what we are seeing here is Tighe in his “natural” element, he’s a mercenary at heart, all the military posturing on Galactica is what he could not handle. That’s why he made such bad decisions when Adama was incapacitated. I agree that Tigh is in his best element. Veteran of the first war. Seen some really nasty stuff. Willing to make the hard decisions someone like Tyrol may be too sentimental too make. > [@](#): > > I wouldn’t say he’s making bad decisions in managing the resistance. How can you really know what the right decision is? Tighe’s comebacks when he has been 2nd-guessed by Tyrol or Roslyn have made sense. Especially when he said he’s sent many men on suicide missions, whether they are in a raptor or not at the time was immaterial. I’ll have to take Tigh’s word for it he’s sent people out on suicide missions. It’s one thing to be in command and make some tough decisions. Like in the pilot when he & Tyrol got into it over whether to sacrifice some grunts to stop a fire from spreading, or maybe save the grunts & then lose the whole Galactica. Tyrol was wrong. Tigh was right. Sacrifice 'em. Save the ship. It’s one thing to send someone out on a dangerous mission knowing they may very well not make it back. It’s another to strap bombs on someone and know the whole point is to not come back. > [@](#): > > I think Michael Hogan is doing some of the best acting on the show right now, when he asked Anders if he had heard anything about Starbuck the look on his face nearly broke my heart. Agreeance. He makes that beard look good. Tyrol & Adama should lose the facial hair. [QUOTE=MacTech] here’s another potential plot twist… assuming Ellen has not hit menopause yet, imagine Saul’s reaction if he finds out that she’s going to be having a Pop-Tart on the way… [/QUOTE] Ew. Ellen is known for fraking half the fleet. She probably knows how not to get accidently knocked up. [QUOTE=MacTech] and whats with the whole “All You Need Is Love” pregnancy plotline thread, Kara clearly does not love Leo, yet they were able to create the StarBrat (I HATE kids in sci-fi shows, no quicker way to have a character jump the shark), maybe Love is _NOT_ the “secret ingredient” (Professor Frink would be thrilled with this, m-hey! GLAVIN!) [/QUOTE] I’m glad love isn’t the secret ingredient. Not very Sci-fi. Then again, we could still find out love is the secret ingredient and creepy Starbooger isn’t a real love-child. [QUOTE=Miller] Incidentally, where do we know Jammer from? Did he get introduced in the webisodes or something? I don’t remember ever seeing him before this episode, but it seemed like we were supposed to recognize him and be shocked that he was collaborating. [/QUOTE] He was introduced in season one as a guest star. Wasn’t used very often. He, Cally and some other guy where three deck-hands who were friends and hung out together. They provided mild comic relief when Tyrol busted them trying to make moonshine. They also provide some common person’s exposition about some of the larger events in the story. “Gee, Cylons look human now. We can’t trust anybody!” “No way, we have to trust each other.” “Tyrol was sleeping with a Cylon. I bet he’s one!” Cally: "Argh! ::violently attacks anyone maligning Tyrol:: His role seems to have been expanded thanks to the webisodes, but he was around before. [QUOTE=alphaboi867] “D’Anna Biers” was a celebrity in the Fleet. Anders saw a Number 3 model on Caprica. It would’ve only been a matter of time before he saw her in a newscast or in person and outed her. Wouldn’t it be cool if the flashback episode coming up has a scene of Biers showing up to interview Anders? 😃 [/QUOTE] Ah, didn’t know Anders had seen her. [QUOTE=mtk\_] With regard to which Boomer has met up with the resistance guys, I think it’s the one from Galactica. I’ve just re-watched the scene where they discuss the rendezvous, Tyrol tells Tighe who the liason officer is going to be \*before \*Ellen comes into the tent (there’s also a shot of Anders giving a very slight shake of his head here, didn’t know quite what to read into that…) then they go on to discuss the meeting point, etc. My feeling is that the Cylons have just went for a straight up ambush, they haven’t tried to plant a different Boomer because they don’t know she’s going to be there. [/QUOTE] They knew the liaison was going to be Boomer. Knowing it’s going to be a Boomer made it easy to slip Ellen a fake password so they could tell whether a bad Boomer would show up at a fake rendezvous point. If the Cylons knew where the rendezvous was, they _have_ to have known it was going to be Boomer showing up. Their information came from the same source: Ellen. ---
**Author:** ![Lightray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lightray/32/391_2.png) [@Lightray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lightray)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2006, 4:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-3-1-3-2-occupation-precipice/375500/138 "2006-10-08T04:09:29Z")
[QUOTE=levdrakon] If the Cylons knew where the rendezvous was, they _have_ to have known it was going to be Boomer showing up. Their information came from the same source: Ellen. [/QUOTE] Not necessarily; the Cylons just might know that Gaeta is the informer. Recall that Baltar suddenly announced he wasn’t going to the graduation – because of “security concerns,” and his assistant, Gaeta, hadn’t been informed. Cut to Gaeta immediately running out to tell the resistance. Hardly the stuff super-spies are made of. If the Cylons are using Gaeta to feed information to the resistance, then that explains how Gaeta was suddenly able to get the jamming frequencies he hadn’t been able to get them; and the Cylons could have been eavesdropping on communication with the Raptor. All they’d need to do is break the encryption. Mind you, I don’t think there was a Boomer switch; Fleet-Boomer clearly recognized Anders when they met, and he recognized her. Also: mark me down for thinking the creepy kid whacked herself on the head under orders from daddy. So. Does anyone understand what maneuver Kat and the Viper & Raptor pilots had been frakking up 17 times? There were drones/missiles, but everything else was kind of a muddle. ---
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2006, 5:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-3-1-3-2-occupation-precipice/375500/139 "2006-10-08T05:31:03Z")
[QUOTE=Lightray] Hardly the stuff super-spies are made of. If the Cylons are using Gaeta to feed information to the resistance, then that explains how Gaeta was suddenly able to get the jamming frequencies he hadn’t been able to get them; and the Cylons could have been eavesdropping on communication with the Raptor. All they’d need to do is break the encryption. [/quote] Which reminds me of something I wanted to note. What’s with Tyrol yelling at Gaeta for working with the Cylons? Who do you think is the dark, shadowy figure planted deep within Baltar’s office feeding you information? “Gosh, we have no idea. Hi Gaeta! How’s it going? You filthy bastard for working for the Cylons! Bring the super-secret information from our dark shadowy informant working from within Baltar’s office? You did? Cool. I still think you’re a bastard for working with the Cylons, you dirty traitor! When it comes time to string you all up, you’ll be the first, filthy traitor you!” > [@](#): > > Mind you, I don’t think there was a Boomer switch; Fleet-Boomer clearly recognized Anders when they met, and he recognized her. Oh see, that’s a big part of what I pinged on. What’s with Boomer giving Anders a big hug like they’re old long lost friends? Sure they hung out a bit back on Caprica, but that hug made me think this Boomer’s overdoing it. Anders looked a bit “what the…?” himself. ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2006, 6:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-3-1-3-2-occupation-precipice/375500/140 "2006-10-08T06:46:30Z")
I’m going to watch it again with the podcast track before I comment in detail, but I will say that overall the two hours were an almost uninterrupted rush of endorphins in response to the sheer clanking-balls quality of the thing. Unquestionably, unquestionably the best show on television. Oh, and I hadn’t heard anything about Kate Vernon and botox, but to me the red marks on Ellen Tigh’s face looked like smeared lipstick. And P.S., Mr. **Cheek** , I had no problem with scheduling; I got the whole show. Maybe your satellite provider has you in the wrong time zone. I have Comcast, so no issue there. Looks like SciFi has plenty of reruns between now and next Friday, but still, major bummer after months of anticipation and then having to wait an extra day or two. If Comcast had done the same thing and I’d missed what I was jonesing for I think I would have gone down to their office and thrown a toaster through their front window. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-3-1-3-2-occupation-precipice/375500.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-3-1-3-2-occupation-precipice/375500.md?page=8)