# Battlestar Galactica 3.10 - "The Passage" (spoilers) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [December 8, 2006, 8:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-3-10-the-passage-spoilers/383398 "2006-12-08T20:59:38Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![VunderBob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/839c29/32.png) [@VunderBob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VunderBob)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2006, 3:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-3-10-the-passage-spoilers/383398/81 "2006-12-12T15:15:16Z")
[QUOTE=Rubystreak] Do you think he’s wrong? I’m just going with his idea. He also seems to think that he was one of the missing 5, and that D’Anna could clear that up for him. [/QUOTE] Anybody else figure out that because D’anna is downloading every afternoon, Baltar is getting a virgin each night? ---
**Author:** ![OpalCat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/8edcca/32.png) [@OpalCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OpalCat)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2006, 3:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-3-10-the-passage-spoilers/383398/82 "2006-12-12T15:22:43Z")
[QUOTE=levdrakon] I’m being nasty? She tells me my “crit” is absurd and I should stick to criticizing the science, “which although pointless, at least has some objective basis” and I’m being nasty? What’s going on here? I’m sorry. Forgot what thread I was in. I lurv this show! Lurv it, lurv it, lurv it! ::sucks lollypop:: [/QUOTE] Plenty of people are criticizing the show. YOU are the only one who has made me take a step back and go "whoa… " because of your hostility. ---
**Author:** ![Lightray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lightray/32/391_2.png) [@Lightray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lightray)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2006, 3:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-3-10-the-passage-spoilers/383398/83 "2006-12-12T15:25:58Z")
[QUOTE=Rubystreak] Do you think he’s wrong? I’m just going with his idea. He also seems to think that he was one of the missing 5, and that D’Anna could clear that up for him. [/QUOTE] Well, I’m pretty sure that Baltar’s hopes that he’s a Cylon will be dashed. So I think he’s wrong about that. And when D’Anna was showing Baltar what she drew at school that day, there were some definate faces in among the scribbles. I’d expect her to at least _recognize_ the missing models, even if she won’t talk about them. Yet when Baltar made the suggestion, she didn’t say “You know, this _does_ look like Number Eleven here”. But since part of Baltar’s character is his brilliant leaps of illogic, he’s probably partly right about what D’Anna is experiencing, all evidence to the contrary. It’s just going to be a question of which part he’s wrong about. And we might get a few more clues on that, this week. ---
**Author:** ![Rubystreak](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e5b9ba/32.png) [@Rubystreak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rubystreak)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2006, 3:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-3-10-the-passage-spoilers/383398/84 "2006-12-12T15:57:21Z")
[QUOTE=Lightray] Well, I’m pretty sure that Baltar’s hopes that he’s a Cylon will be dashed. So I think he’s wrong about that. [/quote] I don’t think he’s a Cylon either, but could be wrong. I do think he’s right about D’Anna seeing the 5, though. > [@](#): > > I’d expect her to at least _recognize_ the missing models, even if she won’t talk about them. Yet when Baltar made the suggestion, she didn’t say “You know, this _does_ look like Number Eleven here”. This is a good question: do the other Cylons know what the missing 5 look like? When did they get taken off the showroom floor? Baltar calls them “the final 5”-- what does that mean? Next week is the season finale… are they doing a 3.5, starting in spring? Anyone know when? ---
**Author:** ![Lightray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lightray/32/391_2.png) [@Lightray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lightray)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2006, 4:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-3-10-the-passage-spoilers/383398/85 "2006-12-12T16:17:56Z")
This week is the mid-season ender. The season starts back up in January, when it will be airing on Sundays. IIRC they resume on 21-Jan-2007. ---
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2006, 6:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-3-10-the-passage-spoilers/383398/86 "2006-12-12T18:58:07Z")
[QUOTE=Lightray] But since part of Baltar’s character is his brilliant leaps of illogic, he’s probably partly right about what D’Anna is experiencing, all evidence to the contrary. It’s just going to be a question of which part he’s wrong about. And we might get a few more clues on that, this week. [/QUOTE] It seems however he got there, he did get some good intel out of the Hybrid. When he and D’Anna first entered the room with the Hybrid he observed “so this is where you got the idea, to start intentionally downloading. Well let’s see what we can find out.” It seems to me D’Anna is looking for clues to the Cylons’ greater purpose or higher plan. If she’s looking for something, it’s probably a message from their god. But D’Anna’s attempts at enlightenment have been unsuccessful. Baltar on the other hand, reaches into the Hybrid’s goo and gets hit with “intelligence! A mind that burns like a fire! Find the hand that lies in the shadow of the light.” That’s what D’Anna’s been searching for but she couldn’t get it. There’s something unique about Baltar the Hybrid immediately connected with. Is it that he’s human? Cylon? Something of a “hybrid” himself? Best of both worlds kind of thing? A human mind with a Cylon’s capabilities? The Cylons think the Hybrids speak nonsense but Baltar immediately divined meaning from it. ---
**Author:** ![Rubystreak](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e5b9ba/32.png) [@Rubystreak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rubystreak)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2006, 7:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-3-10-the-passage-spoilers/383398/87 "2006-12-12T19:05:23Z")
[QUOTE=levdrakon] Baltar on the other hand, reaches into the Hybrid’s goo and gets hit with “intelligence! A mind that burns like a fire! Find the hand that lies in the shadow of the light.” [/QUOTE] Best moment of the night: Hybrid says above and Baltar, in his infinite pomposity, replies, “I’m here!” ---
**Author:** ![Oakminster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/77aa72/32.png) [@Oakminster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oakminster)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2006, 8:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-3-10-the-passage-spoilers/383398/88 "2006-12-12T20:17:41Z")
Rethinking the Cat situation, was she really Heroic? I’m not so sure. Don’t know a whole lot about Cat, having just started watching reruns a few weeks before Season 3 started, but I remember: 1. She got the kill on Scar only because Starbuck set him up for her–yet she takes the “Top Gun” mug and all the glory. She didn’t seem to be an outstanding CAG. 2. She’s a former smuggler, and possibly more. Her “boyfriend” acted something like a pimp. 3. Her death could be seen as a fancy suicide-by-radiation, indicating that she killed herself rather than face up to her past. Saving civilians would then be a fortunate coincidence. Yes, it was a dangerous mission, and all the pilots took risks…but we know she switched radiation badges, knowing she’d already had a near lethal dose of radiation. Her death then seems no accident. If this is the case, then she’s sorta taking a cheap way out. Adama would likely forgive most of her past crimes, including even the deception of taking the name of a dead pilot–unless Starbuck was right about the treason, or there was something else that she knew about that we don’t… ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2006, 8:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-3-10-the-passage-spoilers/383398/89 "2006-12-12T20:31:32Z")
[QUOTE=Oakminster] 1. She got the kill on Scar only because Starbuck set him up for her–yet she takes the “Top Gun” mug and all the glory. [/QUOTE] True. [QUOTE=Oakminster] 1. Her “boyfriend” acted something like a pimp. [/QUOTE] We are all pigs. [QUOTE=Oakminster] 1. Her death could be seen as a fancy suicide-by-radiation, indicating that she killed herself rather than face up to her past. [/QUOTE] RE:“Taking the easy way out”. Interesting that Starbuck offered her a sleeping pill easy way out. There are many people to whom I would like to apologize in the same manner. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Merijeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f05b48/32.png) [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2006, 9:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-3-10-the-passage-spoilers/383398/90 "2006-12-12T21:30:29Z")
[QUOTE=carnivorousplant] Do they _have any?_ What kind of repair capabilites do they have? Cana they manufacture integrated circuits? Perhaps they loaded up on spares at Ragnock station or whereever they got more armament. [/QUOTE] If they do have any, how long does it take to install one in a civilian ship? Can you do 50 of them (or whatever) in the time it would save to do this instead of shepherding the ships through the cluster? Do you want to go ripping the components out of your recon ships? Finally, the biggest limit, even if you wanted to do it… How many people are trained to install them? Are they compatible with the civilian ships? -Joe ---
**Author:** ![Rubystreak](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e5b9ba/32.png) [@Rubystreak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rubystreak)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2006, 11:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-3-10-the-passage-spoilers/383398/91 "2006-12-12T23:03:35Z")
[QUOTE=Oakminster] 1. She got the kill on Scar only because Starbuck set him up for her–yet she takes the “Top Gun” mug and all the glory. She didn’t seem to be an outstanding CAG. [/quote] She wasn’t. Adama was being kind by re-promoting her, a gesture to a dying kid. > [@](#): > > 1. Her death could be seen as a fancy suicide-by-radiation, indicating that she killed herself rather than face up to her past. Saving civilians would then be a fortunate coincidence. I think it was a confluence of suicide by radiation and an attempt at redemption. Starbuck really stuck it to her with that “good people” comment, and she wanted to redeem herself. She saw a way to do it, but it killed her, not in a glorious way, but in a shitty, painful way. Her death also prevented a lot of other people from dying horribly. Overall, I think she comes out on the “hero” side of things. Were her motives 100% pure? No, but are anyone’s? > [@](#): > > Adama would likely forgive most of her past crimes, I think it was more about forgiving herself that having Adama forgive her. Of course he would. She also didn’t have to confess at all on her deathbed, but she did. Arguably she had nothing to lose at that point, I guess. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2006, 12:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-3-10-the-passage-spoilers/383398/92 "2006-12-13T00:07:53Z")
[QUOTE=Rubystreak] Baltar did mention the “final 5” to D’Anna, and she said, somewhat unconvincingly, that she didn’t remember. [/quote] I thought she told him “We do not speak of them” or something like that - it’s so taboo a subject that they don’t even know what it is. > [@](#): > > You’re correct in that D’Anna didn’t SAY she saw the missing 5, that Baltar inferred it. He prompted her, but she didn’t reply. He prompted her even harder to say she’d seen his face in the Betweenland or whatever it is, to show he was a Cylon after all and not a traitor, but she told him no. ---
**Author:** ![Oakminster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/77aa72/32.png) [@Oakminster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oakminster)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2006, 12:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-3-10-the-passage-spoilers/383398/93 "2006-12-13T00:26:49Z")
If Baltar really wants to know, why doesn’t he just attempt to plug himself into the network, like GoodBoomer did on Carpica when she got the keys to the starships? IF he’s a toaster…whoa, what a rush…if not, prolly nothing happens. Of course, from the preview: We heard a line about some sort of proposal from the Cylons to the Fleet, like a trade, and Xenabot appears to put Baltar on the table as part of the trade. Don’t think she’d do that if he was or even might be a toaster. ---
**Author:** ![Rubystreak](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e5b9ba/32.png) [@Rubystreak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rubystreak)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2006, 12:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-3-10-the-passage-spoilers/383398/94 "2006-12-13T00:47:43Z")
[QUOTE=ElvisL1ves] I thought she told him “We do not speak of them” or something like that - it’s so taboo a subject that they don’t even know what it is. [/quote] But 6 knew about it. > [@](#): > > He prompted her, but she didn’t reply. He prompted her even harder to say she’d seen his face in the Betweenland or whatever it is, to show he was a Cylon after all and not a traitor, but she told him no. I thought that’s when she whipped out the drawings and told him she was trying to piece it together but it wasn’t clear. I didn’t think we got a definitive “no.” ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2006, 1:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-3-10-the-passage-spoilers/383398/95 "2006-12-13T01:14:16Z")
[QUOTE=Oakminster] Of course, from the preview: [/QUOTE] Whoa. Xenabot offers Baltar in the trade? Madame President:“He needn’t be alive. Just his head will do.” Tighe:“Oh no, I definetly want him alive. You can keep his glasses. He won’t be needing them.” ---
**Author:** ![Oakminster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/77aa72/32.png) [@Oakminster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oakminster)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2006, 1:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-3-10-the-passage-spoilers/383398/96 "2006-12-13T01:21:56Z")
Yeah, that seemed pretty wild to me, too. I wouldn’t count out the possibility of it being a dream sequence or something, though… BTW, should we be expecting a cliffhanger next week? I haven’t looked to see if it’s part one of two…but it is the mid-season finale, with about a month until more new episodes, so that would be a typical time for a two-parter. Might even leave us wondering about the thing I spoiler boxed above… ---
**Author:** ![Lightray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lightray/32/391_2.png) [@Lightray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lightray)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2006, 2:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-3-10-the-passage-spoilers/383398/97 "2006-12-13T02:11:31Z")
[QUOTE=Oakminster] 3) Her death could be seen as a fancy suicide-by-radiation, indicating that she killed herself rather than face up to her past. Saving civilians would then be a fortunate coincidence. Yes, it was a dangerous mission, and all the pilots took risks…but we know she switched radiation badges, knowing she’d already had a near lethal dose of radiation. Her death then seems no accident. If this is the case, then she’s sorta taking a cheap way out. Adama would likely forgive most of her past crimes, including even the deception of taking the name of a dead pilot–unless Starbuck was right about the treason, or there was something else that she knew about that we don’t… [/QUOTE] I don’t understand how you can assert that her death was suicide-by-radiation so she wouldn’t have to face up with her past – when you acknowledg that she’d _already_ gotten the apparently lethal dose of radiation (as indicated by the black badge) which happened _before_ she had to decide whether or not to face up to her past. It was either a case of making-her-death-meaningful, or no-lingering-death. I suspect we’re to think it the former, since we’re to infer that she’d chosen to be ‘Kat’ rather than ‘Sasha’ – and choosing a meaningful death isn’t something a drugrunner would do. ---
**Author:** ![Oakminster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/77aa72/32.png) [@Oakminster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oakminster)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2006, 2:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-3-10-the-passage-spoilers/383398/98 "2006-12-13T02:29:07Z")
I don’t think her badge was necessarily at lethal level yet…it was close enough for her to not fly again, so any more would probably kill her. When she switched it for Helo’s badge, she crossed the Rubicon heading for suicide land. As I recall, she made the switch after the scene with Starbuck…where they really shoulda made out at least a little…yummy…um…what was I saying? Oh, right. Suicide. She may have been thinking about it even before the scene with Starbuck…where they shoulda…um…anyway…she was clearly upset by the guy showing up, and possibly having her past revealed. Starbuck handily came along and kicked her over the edge. It might be said that she ran a good hustle, but she cashed out before playing the big hand…could she truly be accepted in the “legit” world. Also giving major weight to the deal with Scar. She took advantage of the situation, and was pretty snotty to Starbuck over the whole deal. She didn’t earn the Top Gun mug fair and square, she failed as a leader, and at the end she failed her ultimate test of character. Others may say she earned redemption by sacrificing herself for others. It might have been done intending to cause just this sort of debate. It wouldn’t be the first time Moore has shown us a difference between what happens, and how it is spun by one faction or another. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2006, 3:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-3-10-the-passage-spoilers/383398/99 "2006-12-13T03:07:08Z")
[QUOTE=Oakminster] where they really shoulda made out at least a little…yummy…um…what was I saying? Others may say she earned redemption by sacrificing herself for others. [/QUOTE] I say she did it because Starbuck wouldn’t make out. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![The\_Vorlon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/d07c76/32.png) [@The\_Vorlon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Vorlon)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2006, 5:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-3-10-the-passage-spoilers/383398/100 "2006-12-13T05:45:03Z")
[QUOTE=Oakminster] BTW, should we be expecting a cliffhanger next week? [/QUOTE] I venture to say we have allready heard the last three words spoken, on the preview on the SciFi website… [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-3-10-the-passage-spoilers/383398.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-3-10-the-passage-spoilers/383398.md?page=6)