# Battlestar Galactica 3.20 - "Crossroads (part two)" - spoilers **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [March 25, 2007, 7:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-3-20-crossroads-part-two-spoilers/397449 "2007-03-25T19:49:59Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![Oakminster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/77aa72/32.png) [@Oakminster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oakminster)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2007, 10:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-3-20-crossroads-part-two-spoilers/397449/121 "2007-03-26T22:25:55Z")
[QUOTE=alphaboi867] So is Nicky meant to be Hera’s mate 😕 ? And are the Cylon models balanced as to gender? We’ve seen 5 females (6, Sharon, D’Anna, and Tori) and 6 males (Doral, Leoban, Simon, Cavil, Tigh, and Anders). Is the last Cylon a woman? [/QUOTE] Think you may want to recount. There are 4 “known” females, and 7 “known” males. You left out the Chief. If the last unknown is female, it would be 5 women to 7 men. Kinda odd, because the pictures Xenabot was drawing seemed to indicate 6 of each gender would be the final tally. Back to when this series is happening in Earth time…do we know anything about whether Relativity affects the fleet? Jump technology apparrently exceeds light speed, and they jump often… ---
**Author:** ![Baron\_Greenback](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/baron_greenback/32/48_2.png) [@Baron\_Greenback](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baron_Greenback)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2007, 10:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-3-20-crossroads-part-two-spoilers/397449/122 "2007-03-26T22:30:02Z")
This was posted on another forum: Battlestar Galactica another one year on… [http://img507.imageshack.us/img507/2592/oneyearlaterol8.jpg](http://img507.imageshack.us/img507/2592/oneyearlaterol8.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![Unauthorized\_Cinnamon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/bc8723/32.png) [@Unauthorized\_Cinnamon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Unauthorized_Cinnamon)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2007, 10:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-3-20-crossroads-part-two-spoilers/397449/123 "2007-03-26T22:42:09Z")
[QUOTE=Oakminster] 2) Gaeta is a liar liar pants on fire. Lied under oath, which also makes him guilty of perjury. [/QUOTE] Ah, but isn’t liar liar pants on fire a lesser included offense of perjury, so he could only be convicted of one? d&r (I just knew that Duke Law education would come in handy!) ---
**Author:** ![alphaboi867](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alphaboi867/32/3898_2.png) [@alphaboi867](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alphaboi867)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2007, 10:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-3-20-crossroads-part-two-spoilers/397449/124 "2007-03-26T22:44:24Z")
[QUOTE=tiger lily] they weren’t actually part of the Final Five Cylons. So they are a “fundamentally” different kind of Cylon; well, that’s helpful. In that case, Tyrol and Cally’s baby (assuming that it’s his) is a fundamentally different kind of PopTart. 😛 … [/QUOTE] Hera is the product of a human father and a Cylon mother, Nick would be the product of a _Cylon_ father and a _human_ mother. Alot of animal hybrids turn out differently depending on which parent was which species. [QUOTE=Oakminster] …Think you may want to recount. There are 4 “known” females, and 7 “known” males. You left out the Chief. [/QUOTE] Ah frak :smack: ! How did I miss _that_? :o Anyway so it’s either 8/4 or 7/5. ---
**Author:** ![Oakminster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/77aa72/32.png) [@Oakminster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oakminster)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2007, 11:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-3-20-crossroads-part-two-spoilers/397449/125 "2007-03-26T23:18:58Z")
[QUOTE=Unauthorized Cinnamon] Ah, but isn’t liar liar pants on fire a lesser included offense of perjury, so he could only be convicted of one? d&r (I just knew that Duke Law education would come in handy!) [/QUOTE] Well, this “trial” proves I know absolutely nothng about Colonial law. Hell, I would’ve thought Defense Counsel’s Daddy being a Judge was a major problem. Or Defense Counsel taking the witness stand and delivering a closing argument in narrative ramble would be frowned upon. Woulda thought motions to strike non-responsive but dramatic monologues would be sustained, too. Speculating, but if Gaeta were charged with both liar liar pants on fire and perjury, the Court would probably declare a writ of “boys will be boys” and let him off. ---
**Author:** ![alphaboi867](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alphaboi867/32/3898_2.png) [@alphaboi867](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alphaboi867)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2007, 11:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-3-20-crossroads-part-two-spoilers/397449/126 "2007-03-26T23:26:10Z")
[QUOTE=Oakminster] Well, this “trial” proves I know absolutely nothng about Colonial law… [/QUOTE] That was one of the problems Roslin mention. Since the Twelve Colonies was a federation each colony had it’s own criminal law (though presumably there was a federal law dealing with things like treason, genocide, war crimes, etc). Then there’s the Colonial Fleet’s legal system (which gives detached flag officers the power to order summary executions during wartime). ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2007, 12:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-3-20-crossroads-part-two-spoilers/397449/127 "2007-03-27T00:14:20Z")
[QUOTE=tiger lily] I think we’ll find that she’s transcended normal human existence ] and is going to be like the fleet’s guardian angel, showing up periodically to help point the way. [/QUOTE] Deus ex machina, and generally considered to be bad writing. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2007, 12:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-3-20-crossroads-part-two-spoilers/397449/128 "2007-03-27T00:22:56Z")
[QUOTE=carnivorousplant] Deus ex machina, and generally considered to be bad writing. 🙂 [/QUOTE] Meaning it would fit right in with the rest of the season, post-New Caprica. ---
**Author:** ![Merijeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f05b48/32.png) [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2007, 12:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-3-20-crossroads-part-two-spoilers/397449/129 "2007-03-27T00:24:38Z")
So, how many of those continually complaining about bad writing won’t be joining us next January? -Joe ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2007, 12:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-3-20-crossroads-part-two-spoilers/397449/130 "2007-03-27T00:31:17Z")
I’ll be there with bells on. Bad Galactica is still lightyeras better than most of the rest of TV, especially now that **Rome** is over. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2007, 12:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-3-20-crossroads-part-two-spoilers/397449/131 "2007-03-27T00:32:42Z")
[QUOTE=Merijeek] So, how many of those continually complaining about bad writing won’t be joining us next January? -Joe [/QUOTE] I dunno. I quit Andromeda, I quit babylon 5. I stayed with Enterprise right up to the bitter end. We’ll see. Hell, it’s nine months away. Maybe I’ll have taken a job in Iraq and be watching Mr. Ed reruns. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![muldoonthief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muldoonthief/32/3188_2.png) [@muldoonthief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/muldoonthief)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2007, 12:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-3-20-crossroads-part-two-spoilers/397449/132 "2007-03-27T00:39:52Z")
[QUOTE=Lightray] Actually, I think that XO Helo is _out there_, too. He leaves the CIC when Gaeta sets condition one on the ship and calls all the pilots to duty. IIRC, we don’t see him on the CIC when Tigh shows up with his new Cylon girlfriend. Which would, again, play to Lee’s point that they’re not a civilization, but a gang of people who needs every member doing what they can do for the gang. [/QUOTE] Nope, Helo is definitely on the bridge after the Vipers launch - he’s the one who asks “Who’s in Viper Three?” Just watched again to confirm. I guess being the substitute XO overrules being the substitute CAG. Not that he’s much of a CAG anyway - the back seater on a Raptor has no place being the boss of Viper pilots. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2007, 12:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-3-20-crossroads-part-two-spoilers/397449/133 "2007-03-27T00:40:31Z")
You _quit_ **B5**? :eek: Like **BSG** , even bad episodes were better than what else was on. I hope you at least came back for _Sleeping In Light_. ---
**Author:** ![Oakminster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/77aa72/32.png) [@Oakminster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oakminster)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2007, 12:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-3-20-crossroads-part-two-spoilers/397449/134 "2007-03-27T00:41:57Z")
[QUOTE=Merijeek] So, how many of those continually complaining about bad writing won’t be joining us next January? -Joe [/QUOTE] These threads typically feature analysis and honest criticism of the episode. Usually from serious long term fans with thought provoking observations. If that’s not your cup of tea, you may prefer the fanboi friendly forum at SciFi… ---
**Author:** ![tiger\_lily](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/96bed5/32.png) [@tiger\_lily](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tiger_lily)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2007, 12:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-3-20-crossroads-part-two-spoilers/397449/135 "2007-03-27T00:59:21Z")
[QUOTE=Oakminster] These threads typically feature analysis and honest criticism of the episode. Usually from serious long term fans with thought provoking observations. If that’s not your cup of tea, you may prefer the fanboi friendly forum at SciFi… [/QUOTE] That seems a bit uncalled for. One thing I’ve noticed here is that people really do get into picking the nits sometimes. I can understand if someone gets tired of seeing that. [QUOTE=carnivorousplant] Deus ex machina, and generally considered to be bad writing. 🙂 [/QUOTE] Just to be clear, I wouldn’t particularly care for this sort of resolution, myself. 🙂 But I see it as a possibility, given not only Starbuck’s “odd” appearance, but the weird way her Viper seemed to flit around Lee. If it’s not all just in Lee’s head (and wouldn’t _that_ be funny, after he ripped on Roslin in the courtroom for her visions), that Viper moves nothing like the genuine article. Not even the newer Vipers can fly that way. To be honest, I don’t see it as much better scenario than her actually having survived the implosion of her Viper with the help of Leoben-who-is-not-Leoben and miraculously coming up with another old, intact Viper that she could fly all the way to Earth and back. Guess we’ll find out eventually. ---
**Author:** ![tiger\_lily](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/96bed5/32.png) [@tiger\_lily](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tiger_lily)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2007, 1:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-3-20-crossroads-part-two-spoilers/397449/136 "2007-03-27T01:04:39Z")
[QUOTE=alphaboi867] Hera is the product of a human father and a Cylon mother, Nick would be the product of a _Cylon_ father and a _human_ mother. Alot of animal hybrids turn out differently depending on which parent was which species. [/QUOTE] True, but that’s not how I read RDM’s comments. If the Final Five are a fundamentally different kind of Cylon, as he says, then I’d expect the offspring of _any_ of them to be different from Hera. ---
**Author:** ![Merijeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f05b48/32.png) [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2007, 1:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-3-20-crossroads-part-two-spoilers/397449/137 "2007-03-27T01:15:24Z")
[QUOTE=Oakminster] These threads typically feature analysis and honest criticism of the episode. Usually from serious long term fans with thought provoking observations. If that’s not your cup of tea, you may prefer the fanboi friendly forum at SciFi… [/QUOTE] So, you consider these to be “thought provoking observations” or general complaining? > [@](#): > > Fellated with great alacrity as expected. > [@](#): > > Cylons channel classic Dylan/Hendrix? I think the Galactica has set jump coordinates to the Shark Nebula. I can only assume this one will quit… > [@](#): > > No No No No. I was afraid RDM would do something like this, it’s not bold or inovative just stupid. Why did they do this? Tigh (my favorite character) a Cylon, the chief, this invalidates so much of the backstory and what was established is past episodes. They did the same thing with DS9 (Sisko believing in the prophets and all the mystical mumbo jumbo). I can’t watch the series anymore. > [@](#): > > Deus ex machina, and generally considered to be bad writing. > [@](#): > > Meaning it would fit right in with the rest of the season, post-New Caprica. I thought my question was legit. You don’t like it, tough. If the show is currently so terrible, certainly some these people will stop watching. -Joe ---
**Author:** ![DustyButt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/9fc348/32.png) [@DustyButt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DustyButt)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2007, 1:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-3-20-crossroads-part-two-spoilers/397449/138 "2007-03-27T01:37:37Z")
I might be mistaken, but was that [Macaulay Culkin](http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.sitevip.net/macaulay-culkin/images/index.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.sitevip.net/macaulay-culkin/&h=400&w=500&sz=86&hl=en&sig2=lKzR5JJ0L_swrKeQ29khlg&start=18&um=1&tbnid=kXF655sY1eymYM:&tbnh=104&tbnw=130&ei=AnUIRqjTL4WmhgTIzsGbAQ&prev=/images%3Fq%3DMacaulay%2BCulkin%26svnum%3D10%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26rls%3DGGLD,GGLD:2006-05,GGLD:en%26sa%3DN) flying the viper next to Apollo at the end? ---
**Author:** ![Baldwin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/baldwin/32/7264_2.png) [@Baldwin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baldwin)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2007, 1:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-3-20-crossroads-part-two-spoilers/397449/139 "2007-03-27T01:39:32Z")
All the entertaining speculation aside. . . Will _somebody_ tell the folks who do outer-space CGI for movies and tv that being in a nebula in interstellar space isn’t like being in a colorful cloudbank? I’ve been seeing that crap on the screen for decades. Where’s Phil Plait? ---
**Author:** ![Merijeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f05b48/32.png) [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2007, 1:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-3-20-crossroads-part-two-spoilers/397449/140 "2007-03-27T01:41:51Z")
[QUOTE=DustyButt] I might be mistaken, but was that [Macaulay Culkin](http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.sitevip.net/macaulay-culkin/images/index.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.sitevip.net/macaulay-culkin/&h=400&w=500&sz=86&hl=en&sig2=lKzR5JJ0L_swrKeQ29khlg&start=18&um=1&tbnid=kXF655sY1eymYM:&tbnh=104&tbnw=130&ei=AnUIRqjTL4WmhgTIzsGbAQ&prev=/images%3Fq%3DMacaulay%2BCulkin%26svnum%3D10%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26rls%3DGGLD,GGLD:2006-05,GGLD:en%26sa%3DN) flying the viper next to Apollo at the end? [/QUOTE] If you check on the threads for the first couple episodes of the first season you’ll see me asking the same question. Finding Katee Sackhoff attractive and then realizing that she bears a strong resemblance to Culkin is…unsettling. -Joe [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-3-20-crossroads-part-two-spoilers/397449.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-3-20-crossroads-part-two-spoilers/397449.md?page=8)