# Battlestar Galactica 4.12 - "Revelations" (big mess o' spoilers) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [June 13, 2008, 7:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-12-revelations-big-mess-o-spoilers/452844 "2008-06-13T19:15:15Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2008, 1:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-12-revelations-big-mess-o-spoilers/452844/141 "2008-06-17T13:47:29Z")
[QUOTE=Lightray] The twelve skinjob models are supposed to embody human archetypes. So it is no surprise that Eights are loving and loyal, or that Ones are cynical. That is how they were made. [/QUOTE] Which model represents the “sexually adventurous co-ed away from home for the first time?” The Sixes? 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Skara\_Brae](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f0a364/32.png) [@Skara\_Brae](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skara_Brae)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2008, 2:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-12-revelations-big-mess-o-spoilers/452844/142 "2008-06-17T14:39:20Z")
[QUOTE=HelloKitty] Hmmm, well if it’s not Earth, then it must be a hydrated and (formerly) colonized Mars. Right solar system…wrong planet?? [/QUOTE] But wouldn’t they have noticed the other blue-green planet with clouds across the street? ---
**Author:** ![Turek](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/turek/32/18782_2.png) [@Turek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Turek)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2008, 3:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-12-revelations-big-mess-o-spoilers/452844/143 "2008-06-17T15:03:15Z")
[QUOTE=Skara\_Brae] But wouldn’t they have noticed the other blue-green planet with clouds across the street? [/QUOTE] It’s not necessarily “across the street.” If they are on opposite sides of the sun, Earth could be as much as 401 million km (or about 2.6 au) from Mars. ---
**Author:** ![Skara\_Brae](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f0a364/32.png) [@Skara\_Brae](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skara_Brae)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2008, 4:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-12-revelations-big-mess-o-spoilers/452844/144 "2008-06-17T16:00:12Z")
[QUOTE=Turek] It’s not necessarily “across the street.” If they are on opposite sides of the sun, Earth could be as much as 401 million km (or about 2.6 au) from Mars. [/QUOTE] I was just referencing that old Bugs Bunny cartoon with Marvin the Martin. Sorry, I should have included a 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2008, 4:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-12-revelations-big-mess-o-spoilers/452844/145 "2008-06-17T16:12:34Z")
Assuming they are both prepared, who would win, Marvin or a Centurion? 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![VunderBob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/839c29/32.png) [@VunderBob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VunderBob)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2008, 4:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-12-revelations-big-mess-o-spoilers/452844/146 "2008-06-17T16:31:26Z")
[QUOTE=carnivorousplant] Assuming they are both prepared, who would win, Marvin or a Centurion? 🙂 [/QUOTE] Marvin, hands down. An Illudium Q-36 Space Modulator beats a toaster nuke any day. They make an Earth-shattering kaboom. ---
**Author:** ![Icerigger](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/icerigger/32/432_2.png) [@Icerigger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Icerigger)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2008, 4:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-12-revelations-big-mess-o-spoilers/452844/147 "2008-06-17T16:38:18Z")
Thats “explosive” Space Modulator. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2008, 5:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-12-revelations-big-mess-o-spoilers/452844/148 "2008-06-17T17:31:05Z")
[QUOTE=Icerigger] Thats “explosive” Space Modulator. 😉 [/QUOTE] So, where can a guy pick one of these up, say, a gun show in Memphis? ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2008, 6:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-12-revelations-big-mess-o-spoilers/452844/149 "2008-06-17T18:45:58Z")
Probably, but that’s a moot point for Our Heroes, considering that Memphis is now a smoking radioactive plain. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2008, 7:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-12-revelations-big-mess-o-spoilers/452844/150 "2008-06-17T19:32:46Z")
[QUOTE=Cervaise] Probably, but that’s a moot point for Our Heroes, considering that Memphis is now a smoking radioactive plain. [/QUOTE] Now? d&r ---
**Author:** ![alphaboi867](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alphaboi867/32/3898_2.png) [@alphaboi867](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alphaboi867)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2008, 7:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-12-revelations-big-mess-o-spoilers/452844/151 "2008-06-17T19:37:35Z")
[QUOTE=Turek] It’s not necessarily “across the street.” If they are on opposite sides of the sun, Earth could be as much as 401 million km (or about 2.6 au) from Mars. [/QUOTE] Which is across the street for people who can travel dozens if not hundred of light years in an instant. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2008, 7:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-12-revelations-big-mess-o-spoilers/452844/152 "2008-06-17T19:43:31Z")
[QUOTE=silenus] Now? [/QUOTE] I was thinking of driving over this weekend…Should I take a mask, or something? ---
**Author:** ![Unauthorized\_Cinnamon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/bc8723/32.png) [@Unauthorized\_Cinnamon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Unauthorized_Cinnamon)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2008, 5:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-12-revelations-big-mess-o-spoilers/452844/153 "2008-06-18T17:58:43Z")
[QUOTE=Merijeek] I assume that people on Galactica take shits, too. But I’ve never seen them. [/QUOTE] Don’t be silly - they take [sharts](http://www.milkandcookies.com/link/66708/detail/). 😃 Seriously though, what an awesome episode. I’m going to be doing a little dance of impatience and excitement until they start up again. I agree, getting them to Earth now was brilliant. And Tigh is THE MAN, even if he’s not technically a man. Michael Hogan always does such a fantastic job. The whole revelation to Adama was perfectly done. Olmos really didn’t hold anything back, it was so raw. (Also, props to Jamie Bamber for staying in character when EJO drooled on him.) ---
**Author:** ![jormundgondir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/dfb087/32.png) [@jormundgondir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jormundgondir)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2008, 10:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-12-revelations-big-mess-o-spoilers/452844/154 "2008-06-18T22:24:23Z")
Someone compiled a panorama of the Earth scene, which should provide good fodder for further location speculation: > **[Panoramic images from Revelations 4X10 \*\*Spoilers\*\*](https://battlestar-blog.livejournal.com/1140572.html)** > > Has anyone seen these? They're pretty awesome. Posted credits/link to where I found them under the cut as well. Spoilers for the final scenes of the mid-season finale. snerched from here:... ---
**Author:** ![phouka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/c5a1d2/32.png) [@phouka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/phouka)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2008, 5:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-12-revelations-big-mess-o-spoilers/452844/155 "2008-06-19T17:00:04Z")
So, I was wondering just the other day… The current seven Cylons have lost their “resurrection” capabilities, something that required a honking big ship and a fleet of medium big ships. The other four (plus one) learned the hard way that they are Cylons, but not because of any machinations of the seven. Also, they age. And they appear fully human, as the previous Cylon-spotter test did not spot them. What if the five have the ability to reincarnate, as opposed to resurrect? It would explain their loss of self-knowledge, their aging, and their humanity. What if the reason the original 12 Cylons split was because they had a choice - resurrection or reincarnation? What if seven of the twelve felt that reincarnation made them too human? Oh, ye gods, I’m never gonna make it to January. ---
**Author:** ![Sweetums](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/5f8ce5/32.png) [@Sweetums](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sweetums)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2008, 5:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-12-revelations-big-mess-o-spoilers/452844/156 "2008-06-19T17:47:07Z")
“You Maniacs, you blew it up!” Come on, I can’t be the only one that thought that. 😃 ``` My personal theory is that what we are seeing is the remains of the Atlantis civilization. There are still humans left somewhere on earth, and after the final battle the survivors of the Galactica fleet and the remaining skinjobs will disperse and begin interbreeding with the locals, taking their myths and religions with them. The people following the colonial religion end up in Greece, the people following the Cylon monotheism end up in the Middle East. ``` ---
**Author:** ![Lightray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lightray/32/391_2.png) [@Lightray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lightray)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2008, 6:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-12-revelations-big-mess-o-spoilers/452844/157 "2008-06-19T18:04:41Z")
[QUOTE=Sweetums] “You Maniacs, you blew it up!” Come on, I can’t be the only one that thought that. 😃 [/QUOTE] You weren’t. Go back and read the first page of this thread. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Sweetums](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/5f8ce5/32.png) [@Sweetums](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sweetums)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2008, 6:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-12-revelations-big-mess-o-spoilers/452844/158 "2008-06-19T18:10:54Z")
[QUOTE=Lightray] You weren’t. Go back and read the first page of this thread. 😉 [/QUOTE] ``` Sorry Terminus Est, missed that one. :smack: ``` ---
**Author:** ![HelloKitty](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/ecccb3/32.png) [@HelloKitty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HelloKitty)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2008, 6:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-12-revelations-big-mess-o-spoilers/452844/159 "2008-06-19T18:24:51Z")
[QUOTE=Sweetums] My personal theory is that what we are seeing is the remains of the Atlantis civilization. ``` There are still humans left somewhere on earth, and after the final battle the survivors of the Galactica fleet and the remaining skinjobs will disperse and begin interbreeding with the locals, taking their myths and religions with them. The people following the colonial religion end up in Greece, the people following the Cylon monotheism end up in the Middle East. ``` [/QUOTE] Innnteresting theory!! As several people have said, it’s going to be a loooong summer of speculation. ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2008, 7:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-12-revelations-big-mess-o-spoilers/452844/160 "2008-06-19T19:33:03Z")
[QUOTE=Sweetums] My personal theory is that what we are seeing is the remains of the Atlantis civilization. [/QUOTE] If our heroes come across a cave featuring two dead bodies with pockets full of black and white rocks, I’m gonna be _pissed._ [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-12-revelations-big-mess-o-spoilers/452844.md?page=7) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-12-revelations-big-mess-o-spoilers/452844.md?page=9)