### Author:  [@carlb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carlb)
#### Post date: [January 31, 2009, 11:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-15-the-oath-spoiler-warning/483723/81 "2009-01-31T23:19:46Z")
> [@levdrakon](#):
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> Well, Gaeta said “arm all weapons, engage the target and destroy.” The “arm all weapons” part made me think they are about to unload on the Basestar, rather than just one Raptor. Being so close to the Basestar and hitting it with everything could probably do quite a bit of damage.
I thought those orders were specifically to Narcho who was flying CAP, to target the Raptor. I’ll have to rewatch to be sure.
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### Author:  [@mswas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mswas)
#### Post date: [January 31, 2009, 11:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-15-the-oath-spoiler-warning/483723/82 "2009-01-31T23:24:05Z")
> [@alphaboi867](#):
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> Roslin’s finally acting like a President again. Think Adama will follow through on his no amnesty threat and space conspirators en masse when this is all over?
Adama gets spaced next Friday. I think they kill Adama and Tigh in the same episode.
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### Author:  [@Lightray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lightray)
#### Post date: [January 31, 2009, 11:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-15-the-oath-spoiler-warning/483723/83 "2009-01-31T23:25:04Z")
> [@Cervaise](#):
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> How does the spoiler policy sound? Any objections? And what do you think about a dedicated “preview discussion” thread?
If you could, putting it in the OP each week will probably help for when people come in pumped up from the episode and might get too caught up to remember.
> [@Fugazi](#):
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> And let me join the chorus saying that badass Kara is really badass. She knows how to deal with mutineers.
I’m amused that her character has become the one person you definitely want around when the shit is going down… and the one person you _don’t_ want around when things are back to normal.
Also, it is pretty obvious that she’s not too far different from the mutineers – all of 'em just want to frack stuff up, to vent their rage and frustration. And she’s one of the few characters who can hold her own around Adama, Tigh, Roslin, and others who tend to steamroll the scene and leave everyone else overshadowed. (as Lee often is.)
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### Author:  [@mswas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mswas)
#### Post date: [January 31, 2009, 11:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-15-the-oath-spoiler-warning/483723/84 "2009-01-31T23:29:36Z")
> [@Oakminster](#):
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> I read the thread over at [SciFi.com](http://SciFi.com). Over 800 posts worth. There seems to be some debate as to whether Lee and Starbuck boarded the raptor or ducked into some sort of hidey hole to go Rambo next week.
There’s no debate to be had. They didn’t board the shuttle, they stayed on Galactica. They left by the hatch they came in on.
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### Author:  [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)
#### Post date: [January 31, 2009, 11:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-15-the-oath-spoiler-warning/483723/85 "2009-01-31T23:50:44Z")
> [@carlb](#):
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> I thought those orders were specifically to Narcho who was flying CAP, to target the Raptor. I’ll have to rewatch to be sure.
Ah, you’re probably right. I hope the Raptor can jump quickly.
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### Author:  [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)
#### Post date: [February 1, 2009, 12:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-15-the-oath-spoiler-warning/483723/86 "2009-02-01T00:30:40Z")
> [@mswas](#):
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> \
Label your frakking spoilers, godsdammit. :mad:
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### Author:  [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)
#### Post date: [February 1, 2009, 1:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-15-the-oath-spoiler-warning/483723/87 "2009-02-01T01:53:39Z")
> [@carlb](#):
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> I thought those orders were specifically to Narcho who was flying CAP, to target the Raptor. I’ll have to rewatch to be sure.
Cade Foster won’t shoot down the President.:dubious:
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### Author:  [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)
#### Post date: [February 1, 2009, 2:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-15-the-oath-spoiler-warning/483723/88 "2009-02-01T02:00:20Z")
And what’s the deal with Gaeta and Hoshi I didn’t see on a webisode?
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### Author:  [@alphaboi867](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alphaboi867)
#### Post date: [February 1, 2009, 2:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-15-the-oath-spoiler-warning/483723/89 "2009-02-01T02:01:04Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#):
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> And what’s the deal with Gaeta and Hoshi I didn’t see on a webisode?
They used to be a couple, but have apparently broken up now.
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### Author:  [@Baldwin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baldwin)
#### Post date: [February 1, 2009, 2:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-15-the-oath-spoiler-warning/483723/90 "2009-02-01T02:01:12Z")
> [@Mr.Excellent](#):
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> Another cool thing - I really bought Zarek as an effective guerilla/revolutionary fighter. The pained look on his face when Gaeta told him that Adama hadn’t been shot yet - I think Zarek understands far better than Gaeta exactly how dangerous Adama is, both as a man and a rallying point for the loyalists. Frankly, shooting Adama and Tigh right on the CIC, or just outside, would have been the correct move. Gaeta’s an amateur, Zarek is not - and it’ll be fun to see how that plays out. 😃
Good point. When it became clear from last week’s preview that It Was Going Down this week, I figured that once it started, Zareck would be absolutely ruthless in achieving his objective. When Felix’s smooth talking didn’t work on the hangar deck and Zareck grabbed the wrench and put the guy down without hesitation, I was glad they didn’t soften his character in some way.
(About Earth – is the fleet still in orbit around it? And have we ever had a view of the whole planet, enough to recognize the continents?)
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### Author:  [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)
#### Post date: [February 1, 2009, 2:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-15-the-oath-spoiler-warning/483723/91 "2009-02-01T02:03:37Z")
> [@alphaboi867](#):
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> They used to be a couple, but have apparently broken up now.
Gaeta is Gae?
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### Author:  [@mswas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mswas)
#### Post date: [February 1, 2009, 2:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-15-the-oath-spoiler-warning/483723/92 "2009-02-01T02:21:22Z")
> [@Cervaise](#):
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> Label your frakking spoilers, godsdammit. :mad:
Relax it was just speculation.
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### Author:  [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)
#### Post date: [February 1, 2009, 3:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-15-the-oath-spoiler-warning/483723/93 "2009-02-01T03:01:40Z")
> [@Oslo\_Ostragoth](#):
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> Backtracking a bit, I’m so sorry to see Seelix among the mutineers. She is one of my favorite obscure geeky crushes, and I’m thinking it won’t go well for the mutineers. ☹
Seelix AND Racetrack. The engineer took a wrench to the brain. Gaeta and Zarek are obviously going to be SO dead at the end of this. Dee blew her brains out.
Besides our main cast, which background characters will we have left?
Oh, and I love Starbuck. I agree with her totally, but I wonder if Adama sparing the one guy is what is going to bail Saul and Bill out of their Bogus Airlock Journey.
As someone who is still mystified by what happened in the webisodes, do we know what Baltar knows about Felix? I assumed it had something to do with the execution orders, but that’s just a best-guess kinda thing.
> [@levdrakon](#):
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> Ah, you’re probably right. I hope the Raptor can jump quickly.
No need. All they need to do is land on Colonial One. Gaeta can’t do much about that once they land.
I don’t think we need to worry too much though, because Costanza is going to keep anything bad from happening to the Raptor. Whether or not he survives will be a whole other question.
-Joe
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### Author:  [@Mr.Excellent](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Excellent)
#### Post date: [February 1, 2009, 3:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-15-the-oath-spoiler-warning/483723/94 "2009-02-01T03:33:26Z")
> [@Merijeek](#):
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> As someone who is still mystified by what happened in the webisodes, do we know what Baltar knows about Felix? I assumed it had something to do with the execution orders, but that’s just a best-guess kinda thing.
Yes, we know. While on New Caprica, Gaeta attempted to spring certain high-value prisoners from Cylon detention by working with an apparently sympathetic Eight. To that end, Gaeta provided the Eight with lists of VIP prisoners. Rather than freeing them, the Eight turned the list over to her superiors, who used the lists to identify and kill the most important prisoners. Thus, Gaeta inadvertantly collaborated with the enemy. Both the Eight in question, and Baltar, suggested in the webisode that Gaeta could and should have known that he was being played, but willfully allowed himself to be duped.
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### Author:  [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)
#### Post date: [February 1, 2009, 3:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-15-the-oath-spoiler-warning/483723/95 "2009-02-01T03:41:40Z")
> [@Mr.Excellent](#):
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> Yes, we know. While on New Caprica, Gaeta attempted to spring certain high-value prisoners from Cylon detention by working with an apparently sympathetic Eight. To that end, Gaeta provided the Eight with lists of VIP prisoners. Rather than freeing them, the Eight turned the list over to her superiors, who used the lists to identify and kill the most important prisoners. Thus, Gaeta inadvertantly collaborated with the enemy. Both the Eight in question, and Baltar, suggested in the webisode that Gaeta could and should have known that he was being played, but willfully allowed himself to be duped.
I kind of got all of that except for the REASON for him handing over the lists. “Whatever you do please don’t shoot these valuable people” seemed kind of weird to me. Trying to get them released, that made more sense.
-Joe
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### Author:  [@Rubystreak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rubystreak)
#### Post date: [February 1, 2009, 3:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-15-the-oath-spoiler-warning/483723/96 "2009-02-01T03:44:52Z")
> [@Merijeek](#):
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> I kind of got all of that except for the REASON for him handing over the lists. “Whatever you do please don’t shoot these valuable people” seemed kind of weird to me. Trying to get them released, that made more sense.
>
> -Joe
You’re right, he was trying to get them released. That’s why the Eight claimed that he knew she was killing them, because he never did see them after they were supposedly released. She did let one or two of them go for the sake of their mutual illusion, but really, Gaeta could have realized at any point that the whole thing was a charade. He didn’t want to know, possibly because he was sleeping with her, and he was able to justify that by thinking he was helping people. Baltar knew all about it. That’s the “little secret” he is holding over Gaeta’s head.
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### Author:  [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)
#### Post date: [February 1, 2009, 3:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-15-the-oath-spoiler-warning/483723/97 "2009-02-01T03:46:06Z")
> [@Merijeek](#):
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> As someone who is still mystified by what happened in the webisodes, do we know what Baltar knows about Felix? I assumed it had something to do with the execution orders, but that’s just a best-guess kinda thing.
Yes, pretty much. From the 'sodes:
Gaeta made friends with a Boomer model and began giving her names of people he knows, friends, and I guess maybe resistance people, all of whom were in prison for one reason or another. Presumably, this sympathetic Boomer was getting them released. Then Gaeta started sleeping with her. Meanwhile, she was having most of the people on Gaeta’s lists killed. She’d free one once in awhile just for show, but Gaeta wasn’t so completely in denial he couldn’t have known. Baltar knew what he was doing, too, but has kept it secret. That’s how I understand it anyway.
> [@](#):
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> No need. All they need to do is land on Colonial One. Gaeta can’t do much about that once they land.
I thought they were headed to the Basestar.
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### Author:  [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)
#### Post date: [February 1, 2009, 3:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-15-the-oath-spoiler-warning/483723/98 "2009-02-01T03:54:48Z")
> [@levdrakon](#):
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> I thought they were headed to the Basestar.
I don’t remember for sure either way, but I’m sure I’ll watch again this week. It just seems to me that Zarek would LOVE to get into a shooting match with the Cylons. It would play into his plans perfectly.
Roslin heading over to Colonial One, though, would keep Galactica from taking direct action against her.
-Joe
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### Author:  [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)
#### Post date: [February 1, 2009, 4:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-15-the-oath-spoiler-warning/483723/99 "2009-02-01T04:14:44Z")
> [@levdrakon](#):
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> I thought they were headed to the Basestar.
Me, too. That would strengthen the mutineer argument that they favor the Cylons.
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### Author:  [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)
#### Post date: [February 1, 2009, 4:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-15-the-oath-spoiler-warning/483723/100 "2009-02-01T04:19:37Z")
Now might be a good time for Cavil to show up and remind everyone which side they’re better off on.
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