# Battlestar Galactica 4.15 - "The Oath" (spoiler warning)
**URL:** https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-15-the-oath-spoiler-warning/483723
**Category:** Cafe Society
**Created:** [January 30, 2009, 4:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-15-the-oath-spoiler-warning/483723 "2009-01-30T16:30:39Z")
**Posts on this page:** 20
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### Author:  [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)
#### Post date: [February 1, 2009, 4:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-15-the-oath-spoiler-warning/483723/121 "2009-02-01T16:05:08Z")
Stop being silly, **Tyrell**. :rolleyes: Your failure to watch the show does not create any responsbility on anyone else’s part.
You might check out Hulu, or [scifi.com](http://scifi.com), to catch up on what’s been made public already before opening threads in the future that discuss exactly the things you claim not to want to know, m’kay?
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### Author:  [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)
#### Post date: [February 1, 2009, 4:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-15-the-oath-spoiler-warning/483723/122 "2009-02-01T16:05:32Z")
Speak for yourself. I think the “as it happens” comments are a lot of the fun of these kind of threads. It’s like watching the show with dozens of your friends, all over the country.
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### Author:  [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)
#### Post date: [February 1, 2009, 4:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-15-the-oath-spoiler-warning/483723/123 "2009-02-01T16:16:56Z")
> [@silenus](#):
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> Speak for yourself.
And who else have I been claiming to speak for?
> [@](#):
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> I think the “as it happens” comments are a lot of the fun of these kind of threads. It’s like watching the show with dozens of your friends, all over the country.
Which is why I suggested a compromise of splitting it off from actual discussion.
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### Author:  [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)
#### Post date: [February 1, 2009, 4:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-15-the-oath-spoiler-warning/483723/124 "2009-02-01T16:46:18Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#):
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> Gaeta’s in command because he \*took \*command. It’s that simple.
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> Narcho isn’t a hotshot either, based on his success in the attack on the escape Raptor. We know from the previews how well \*that \*worked.
No, actually. Some of us DON’T.
-Joe
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### Author:  [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)
#### Post date: [February 1, 2009, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-15-the-oath-spoiler-warning/483723/125 "2009-02-01T17:49:27Z")
Perhaps you should read the thread title.
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### Author:  [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)
#### Post date: [February 1, 2009, 5:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-15-the-oath-spoiler-warning/483723/126 "2009-02-01T17:51:37Z")
> [@acsenray](#):
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> Well, I was just hoping to avoid having to sludge through seemingly hundreds of contentless “comments.” I don’t see the need for it and it generally dilutes the quality of an episode discussion thread.
When I want to skip the play by play as it were, I scroll through the posts checking the time until 10:00. 🙂
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### Author:  [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)
#### Post date: [February 1, 2009, 7:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-15-the-oath-spoiler-warning/483723/127 "2009-02-01T19:04:49Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#):
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> Perhaps you should read the thread title.
Yes, or even the first paragraph of the OP.
-Joe
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### Author:  [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)
#### Post date: [February 1, 2009, 8:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-15-the-oath-spoiler-warning/483723/128 "2009-02-01T20:42:52Z")
> [@Tyrrell\_McAllister](#):
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> Those of us who didn’t watch the previews didn’t know that. But I guess we do now.
I’m pretty sure Adama, Tigh, Roslyn and Baltar aren’t all going to die as the cliffhanger ending forebodes. But for this show, nearing it’s series finale, I’d prefer to see the story play out as the producer, Ron Moore, wants us to see it play out, rather than what the network decides to stick in a preview, which I assume Ron Moore doesn’t control. Yes, the network aired the preview, but did Ron Moore?
If Ron Moore does have complete control over what the network shows in previews, well I guess them’s the brakes. I can’t imagine RM wants us to know who lives or dies before he shows us during the show, though.
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### Author:  [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)
#### Post date: [February 1, 2009, 8:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-15-the-oath-spoiler-warning/483723/129 "2009-02-01T20:55:15Z")
> [@levdrakon](#):
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> Yes, the network aired the preview, but did Ron Moore?
I too wonder who puts the preview together.
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### Author:  [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)
#### Post date: [February 1, 2009, 9:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-15-the-oath-spoiler-warning/483723/130 "2009-02-01T21:06:11Z")
Gotta be SFC who does it. Remember the glowing baby spine in the ads, long after Moore repudiated that feature?
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### Author:  [@Lightray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lightray)
#### Post date: [February 1, 2009, 9:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-15-the-oath-spoiler-warning/483723/131 "2009-02-01T21:06:36Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#):
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> Narcho isn’t a hotshot either, based on his success in the attack on the escape Raptor. We know from the previews how well \*that \*worked.
Even more pathetic than trying to spoil people with the previews after they’d specifically asked for that not to occur, you are in fact _wrong_. We do not know that, at all.
We don’t know that Narcho ever even attacked the Raptor. All we know is that Gaeta told someone to get Narcho on the comm with the order to attack the Raptor. No idea if there was any follow-through.
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### Author:  [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)
#### Post date: [February 1, 2009, 9:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-15-the-oath-spoiler-warning/483723/132 "2009-02-01T21:25:45Z")
You know who’s in the Raptor, right? You’ve seen the previews, right?
Sheesh.
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### Author:  [@Lightray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lightray)
#### Post date: [February 1, 2009, 9:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-15-the-oath-spoiler-warning/483723/133 "2009-02-01T21:58:59Z")
You’re still failing to comprehend what exactly the previews spoil.
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### Author:  [@HMS\_Irruncible](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HMS_Irruncible)
#### Post date: [February 1, 2009, 10:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-15-the-oath-spoiler-warning/483723/134 "2009-02-01T22:04:14Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#):
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> You know who’s in the Raptor, right? You’ve seen the previews, right?
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> Sheesh.
The OP said that anything that already aired is fair game. Then, later on in the thread (posts 53, 59, 60), a few people decided that since some people are treating the already-aired previews as spoilers, we should moderate our discussion to accommodate that.
I think it’s a bit of an extreme practice as well as a bit overweening for someone other than the OP to change the thread rules halfway through a long thread and expect that everyone saw it. But that’s what happened, and that’s what you’re stepping in (if you didn’t know).
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### Author:  [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)
#### Post date: [February 1, 2009, 10:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-15-the-oath-spoiler-warning/483723/135 "2009-02-01T22:13:53Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#):
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> You know who’s in the Raptor, right? You’ve seen the previews, right?
Yes to the first, no to the second.
Someone is going to need to draw a diagram, aren’t they?
-Joe
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### Author:  [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)
#### Post date: [February 1, 2009, 10:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-15-the-oath-spoiler-warning/483723/136 "2009-02-01T22:57:42Z")
Frak it, I watched the preview on SFC. Based on the preview:
[spoiler]B & R make it to the Basestar. Woo! But I’m not at all surprised. It says nothing about whether Narcho frakked up, or didn’t fire, or never even made it in range to stop them.
Adama is in an airlock or lauchbay with a blindfold on, Zarek has announced he’s been found guilty of treason (like I believe anything that asshole says) and Gaeta is shown saying “fire.” Well, it looks to me like Gaeta is still in the CIC and he was probably saying “fire… that jerk ensign who brought me a ham & cheese with mustard instead of mayo!”
Roslyn is frakking pissed, apparently has the backing of the Cylons, and declares, “I’m coming for all of you!” That should be fun.
Gage says “the Basestar is arming weapons!” It almost looks like I saw the Basestar jump though. I doubt Roz would let the Basestar actually destroy a Colonial ship, or much damage it.[/spoiler]
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### Author:  [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)
#### Post date: [February 1, 2009, 11:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-15-the-oath-spoiler-warning/483723/137 "2009-02-01T23:21:22Z")
> [@levdrakon](#):
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> Frak it, I watched the preview on SFC. Based on the preview:
Thanks for the spoiler box.
-Joe
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### Author:  [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)
#### Post date: [February 2, 2009, 2:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-15-the-oath-spoiler-warning/483723/138 "2009-02-02T02:50:35Z")
> [@Cosmic Relief](#):
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> I think it’s a bit of an extreme practice as well as a bit overweening for someone other than the OP to change the thread rules halfway through a long thread and expect that everyone saw it. But that’s what happened, and that’s what you’re stepping in (if you didn’t know).
The new policy was proposed in the middle of this thread. As I said before, I would normally disagree as being overkill, but since we’re rolling into the series finale, and preview spoilers have thus acquired greater magnitude, I considered it and found that I agreed. As such, I offered some wording, which seems to have been met with general agreement. The policy will take effect as of the next thread, but _polite_ people may choose to observe it now.
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### Author:  [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)
#### Post date: [February 2, 2009, 3:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-15-the-oath-spoiler-warning/483723/139 "2009-02-02T03:02:50Z")
Guys, get a life. Meet some girls. Get out.
🙂
That was of course the Evil Captain Kirk.
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### Author:  [@TJVM](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TJVM)
#### Post date: [February 2, 2009, 3:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-15-the-oath-spoiler-warning/483723/140 "2009-02-02T03:53:04Z")
> [@Cervaise](#):
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> One small thing that seriously impressed me: The mutineers’ plan _made sense._
I liked that, too. But one thing that bothered me was the fact (or maybe just the impression) that virtually all of the Marines have sided with the mutineers. I would think that they would be among the people _most_ loyal to Adama, and, conversely, would not find Zarek or Gaeta appealing as new leaders (Zarek is a criminal; Gaeta is a smart guy and competent officer, but he’s fundamentally a techie, not a warrior). I can buy that Gaeta could recruit a small group of mutineers among the Marines, and that they could seize the CIC through careful planning and surprise. But it seems like maintaining control should have been more difficult than it apparently has been.
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