# Battlestar Galactica 4.15 - "The Oath" (spoiler warning) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [January 30, 2009, 4:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-15-the-oath-spoiler-warning/483723 "2009-01-30T16:30:39Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2009, 6:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-15-the-oath-spoiler-warning/483723/161 "2009-02-03T06:44:34Z")
Hot Dog’s name is Brendan Costanza. Interesting name. He was trained by Starbuck and given his pilot’s wings by Apollo, so he probably isn’t likely to go against the Old Man. ---
**Author:** ![Merijeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f05b48/32.png) [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2009, 2:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-15-the-oath-spoiler-warning/483723/162 "2009-02-03T14:15:13Z")
> [@melodyharmonius](#): > > Did you notice that when Gaeta called the CAP to target the Raptor, he told them to call someone other than Hot Dog? I think they are going to try to give HD a little more action and let him fight alongside the others. As my bf Dewey said in last week’s episode: OMG - they finally gave him a real name - not just a call sign! Just a further demonstration of how well-acted this mutiny has been. They don’t need an overwhelming number of mutineers, they just need to have them in the right places at the right times. The fact that Costanza (Starbuck: CantStandYa!) is out there shows that they couldn’t get 100% of what they needed. -Joe ---
**Author:** ![Lightray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lightray/32/391_2.png) [@Lightray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lightray)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2009, 2:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-15-the-oath-spoiler-warning/483723/163 "2009-02-03T14:59:56Z")
> [@levdrakon](#): > > He was trained by Starbuck and given his pilot’s wings by Apollo, so he probably isn’t likely to go against the Old Man. That, and the Old Man is his dad. So he can’t be in on the mutiny because that’d probably lead to him getting killed off… and they won’t kill of EJO’s son, who is workin’ the nepotism. Really, Hot Dog is about the safest character in the whole damn cast right now. ---
**Author:** ![Estilicon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/848f3c/32.png) [@Estilicon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Estilicon)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2009, 1:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-15-the-oath-spoiler-warning/483723/164 "2009-02-04T01:08:20Z")
Starbuck: Let him go Idiot: Frack you Starbuck: Bang!!! Best scene ever. Adama: Are you alright? Tigh: I’ll live, him? That was another good one. But the best thing of the episode is Gaeta. He started as a boy scout and now he is just a bitter bastard. ---
**Author:** ![melodyharmonius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/melodyharmonius/32/21310_2.png) [@melodyharmonius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/melodyharmonius)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2009, 3:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-15-the-oath-spoiler-warning/483723/165 "2009-02-04T03:10:56Z")
> [@Lightray](#): > > Really, Hot Dog is about the safest character in the whole damn cast right now. I actually would debate that with you. I don’t think he’s necessarily “safe” as this is the final season and since they seem to be raising the level of his character - it would only make sense that he would die a heroic (and memorable) death - hence why they are getting him more invested in the kid and more out there - they will do something like have him die saving his kid or something. ---
**Author:** ![ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e9bcb4/32.png) [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2009, 3:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-15-the-oath-spoiler-warning/483723/166 "2009-02-04T03:45:33Z")
> [@Estilicon](#): > > But the best thing of the episode is Gaeta. He started as a boy scout and now he is just a bitter bastard. Has any central character not gone through some sort of emotional/mental metamorphosis? The only one that comes to mind is the doctor. He’s steadily been a chain-smoking snark. ---
**Author:** ![alphaboi867](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alphaboi867/32/3898_2.png) [@alphaboi867](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alphaboi867)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2009, 3:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-15-the-oath-spoiler-warning/483723/167 "2009-02-04T03:56:15Z")
> [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](#): > > Has any central character not gone through some sort of emotional/mental metamorphosis? The only one that comes to mind is the doctor. He’s steadily been a chain-smoking snark. Baltar’s Virtual Six? Granted it’s been some time since we’ve seen her. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2009, 4:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-15-the-oath-spoiler-warning/483723/168 "2009-02-04T04:23:40Z")
> [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](#): > > Has any central character not gone through some sort of emotional/mental metamorphosis? Apollo is still a clueless goof ball who has problems dealing with his Father. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Lightray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lightray/32/391_2.png) [@Lightray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lightray)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2009, 4:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-15-the-oath-spoiler-warning/483723/169 "2009-02-04T04:45:35Z")
> [@melodyharmonius](#): > > I actually would debate that with you. I don’t think he’s necessarily “safe” as this is the final season and since they seem to be raising the level of his character - it would only make sense that he would die a heroic (and memorable) death - hence why they are getting him more invested in the kid and more out there - they will do something like have him die saving his kid or something. Well, I _was_ being a bit tongue-in-cheek there, but I do think he is as safe as _any_ of the secondary characters is going to get. I don’t think we’ll see Adama or Tigh or Apollo or Starbuck or Baltar go missing early from the last few episodes. Roslin _maybe_. But the rest are in the process of being weeded out, for sure. And I think Hotdog is about the last on that list for being weeded out. ---
**Author:** ![Baldwin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/baldwin/32/7264_2.png) [@Baldwin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baldwin)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2009, 12:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-15-the-oath-spoiler-warning/483723/170 "2009-02-04T12:12:32Z")
> [@alphaboi867](#): > > Baltar’s Virtual Six? Granted it’s been some time since we’ve seen her. Almost forgot about her; let’s see, Baltar has a Virtual Six in his head; the resurrected Caprica Six had a virtual Baltar, and Baltar had his own virtual Baltar that one time. Wouldn’t it be something if they concluded the series without explaining that? Why, we’d laugh and laugh! ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2009, 2:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-15-the-oath-spoiler-warning/483723/171 "2009-02-05T02:13:22Z")
> [@Baldwin](#): > > Wouldn’t it be something if they concluded the series without explaining that? Why, we’d laugh and laugh! See my continuing posts about Ron Moore’s nostrils and melted DVDs. ---
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2009, 2:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-15-the-oath-spoiler-warning/483723/172 "2009-02-05T02:27:09Z")
> [@Baldwin](#): > > Almost forgot about her; let’s see, Baltar has a Virtual Six in his head; the resurrected Caprica Six had a virtual Baltar, and Baltar had his own virtual Baltar that one time. > > Wouldn’t it be something if they concluded the series without explaining that? Why, we’d laugh and laugh! I’m pretty sure it won’t be explained as anything. At one point, Moore said head six was nothing more than Baltar’s warped brain. Same for all the other visions, I’m guessing. ---
**Author:** ![ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e9bcb4/32.png) [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2009, 3:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-15-the-oath-spoiler-warning/483723/173 "2009-02-05T03:52:35Z")
Hasn’t she provided him with key information that he would not otherwise have known? ---
**Author:** ![Merijeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f05b48/32.png) [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2009, 3:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-15-the-oath-spoiler-warning/483723/174 "2009-02-05T15:56:16Z")
> [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](#): > > Hasn’t she provided him with key information that he would not otherwise have known? To a point…but in general we’ve also seen that Baltar has an incredibly powerful deductive mind. It’s likely his subconscious was just informing him of things his conscious mind hadn’t realized yet. -Joe ---
**Author:** ![Lumpy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lumpy/32/446_2.png) [@Lumpy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lumpy)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2009, 3:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-15-the-oath-spoiler-warning/483723/175 "2009-02-05T15:58:53Z")
And more importantly, didn’t HeadSix and HeadBaltar figure prominently in Roslin’s vision about Hera and the opera house? ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2009, 4:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-15-the-oath-spoiler-warning/483723/176 "2009-02-05T16:28:22Z")
> [@Merijeek](#): > > To a point…but in general we’ve also seen that Baltar has an incredibly powerful deductive mind. It’s likely his subconscious was just informing him of things his conscious mind hadn’t realized yet. I agree. This is a just-plausible, if not-especially-satisfying, rationalization of the hallucinated Six. ---
**Author:** ![KneadToKnow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kneadtoknow/32/3999_2.png) [@KneadToKnow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KneadToKnow)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2009, 6:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-15-the-oath-spoiler-warning/483723/177 "2009-02-05T18:03:45Z")
> [@Cervaise](#): > > I agree. This is a just-plausible, if not-especially-satisfying, rationalization of the hallucinated Six. In other words, Baltar’s intuition actually is female. ---
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2009, 6:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-15-the-oath-spoiler-warning/483723/178 "2009-02-05T18:29:36Z")
> [@KneadToKnow](#): > > In other words, Baltar’s intuition actually is female. His intuition is a hot Cylon he can have sex with whenever he wants, yes. ---
**Author:** ![melodyharmonius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/melodyharmonius/32/21310_2.png) [@melodyharmonius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/melodyharmonius)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2009, 8:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-15-the-oath-spoiler-warning/483723/179 "2009-02-05T20:42:32Z")
Wonder what Gaeta would have been like if a hot intuitive six was in his head telling him the stuff about the 8 he was in denial about . . . or maybe he would have preferred Simon? ---
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2009, 3:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-15-the-oath-spoiler-warning/483723/180 "2009-02-06T03:33:57Z")
> [@melodyharmonius](#): > > Wonder what Gaeta would have been like if a hot intuitive six was in his head telling him the stuff about the 8 he was in denial about . . . or maybe he would have preferred Simon? I think Gaeta would have had a Baltar in his head. We weren’t shown that of course. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-15-the-oath-spoiler-warning/483723.md?page=8) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-15-the-oath-spoiler-warning/483723.md?page=10)