# Battlestar Galactica 4.17 - "No Exit" (spoilers) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [February 13, 2009, 4:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-17-no-exit-spoilers/485696 "2009-02-13T16:22:14Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 11
**Author:** ![Levolor\_the\_Blind](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/bc8723/32.png) [@Levolor\_the\_Blind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Levolor_the_Blind)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2009, 11:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-17-no-exit-spoilers/485696/201 "2009-02-16T23:13:07Z")
I think he’s sincere, I just think that either he couldn’t really get the information from her brain by vivisection or he finally believed that she needed the rest of the five to rebuild the hub. In the latter case, her escape leads him to the rest of the five. In the former case, he can finally wipe out the humans and the need for the hub is mitigated. What I can’t understand is, having had the hub in their possession for some decades, they never tried to reverse engineer it? ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2009, 12:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-17-no-exit-spoilers/485696/202 "2009-02-17T00:07:44Z")
> [@Levolor\_the\_Blind](#): > > When she called his bluff, he let her escape so she’d lead him to the human fleet. HOw does she know where it is? She died on New Caprica, did she not? ---
**Author:** ![KneadToKnow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kneadtoknow/32/3999_2.png) [@KneadToKnow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KneadToKnow)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2009, 12:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-17-no-exit-spoilers/485696/203 "2009-02-17T00:12:38Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > HOw does she know where it is? She died on New Caprica, did she not? As a Final Fiver, presumably she’s subject to the same siren song as the rest of them. And being now (apparently) free of the false memories Cavil implanted, perhaps she’s better able to perceive any signals she may be receiving. Hell, she might even be capable of detecting directly what Tigh, Anders, and Tyrol could only vaguely perceive as “something to do with this Viper.” ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2009, 12:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-17-no-exit-spoilers/485696/204 "2009-02-17T00:16:12Z")
Possible wank: Does Ellen (restored-memory version) know where Earth is, and/or how to get there? (And wouldn’t that piss off Boomer? “So you knew all along, you just… couldn’t remember? Well, frak.”) If she does, perhaps they arrive on Earth to find the Xenabot staring pensively at the sea on her radioactive beach, and learn from her where the fleet went. Wouldn’t have to be all that specific – maybe, just, “sort of off that direction, I guess; now leave me alone, I just found an unopened jar of marmite, which has been improved by time and gamma rays, and I’m looking for a biscuit.” With the Galactica unable to jump safely, they’re going to be holding position for a while, which provides time for Boomer to locate them in the otherwise implausible vastness of space. ---
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2009, 12:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-17-no-exit-spoilers/485696/205 "2009-02-17T00:17:19Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > HOw does she know where it is? She died on New Caprica, did she not? The FF know where earth is, apparently. Finding earth will be a juicy nugget for Cavil, even if he doesn’t find the fleet right away. ---
**Author:** ![Monkey\_Chews](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/65b543/32.png) [@Monkey\_Chews](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monkey_Chews)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2009, 12:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-17-no-exit-spoilers/485696/206 "2009-02-17T00:17:42Z")
> [@levdrakon](#): > > There appears to be a mysterious third player in this story, and that third player, whether from Kobol or maybe even the original inhabitants of “our” earth, has potentially had thousands of years to create a resurrection process that can download humans and put them into bodies that are pretty much exact replicas right down to the cell, but technically, Cylon. Everyone could be Cylon, or once you get down to it, there’s no meaningful difference between a resurrected human and a Cylon. If you get a new body and transfer your consciousness into it, what are you? > > This third player may not need to keep copies of you around. They may be able to build a copy of you from a DNA sample, as needed. We still haven’t really found out what they did to Kara when she was in the Cylon farm back on her rescue mission to Caprica. Isn’t it implied they took her ovaries? I wonder if Kara ovaries would be of any help in growing a new Kara. > [@Merijeek](#): > > From now on my money is on Baltar being Daniel. I doubt, only because Ellen would have mentioned it. “He was so beautiful, he was an artist, and you killed him all to death, for good. But hooray! He’s actually Dr Baltar. I just saw him being all President of the Colonies, down on New Caprica, enjoying an endless supply of hookers and blow. ‘Artist’ my ass.” ---
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2009, 12:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-17-no-exit-spoilers/485696/207 "2009-02-17T00:26:16Z")
> [@Monkey\_Chews](#): > > We still haven’t really found out what they did to Kara when she was in the Cylon farm back on her rescue mission to Caprica. Isn’t it implied they took her ovaries? I wonder if Kara ovaries would be of any help in growing a new Kara. Maybe, but Kara was recreated after that, and after she married Anders and got tattoos. I don’t think the Caprica Cylons sampling her ovaries explains how she got transported around the galaxy and exactly recreated right down to the pimples, after New Caprica. I would like to know what they were doing with her ovaries, though, and Boomer saying “you’re special.” What does Boomer know about that? ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2009, 12:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-17-no-exit-spoilers/485696/208 "2009-02-17T00:28:58Z")
Total speculation as to how this all ends, pulled from my butt, spoilered because I just might be right!: Since we are down to the last few episodes, and Galactica can’t jump, and Cavil is a’comin’…I see the end involving Galactica ramming Cavil’s basestar, and Cavil can’t get away because his Centurions all mutiny on his ass, Adama making the sacrifice to save the fleet, but the 5 get away, and since they have some rez tech. courtesy of whatever brought Kara back, Adama gets bebooted and they go off to live on whatever planet is left. The Colony, perhaps. After much of the fleet gets zapped, of course. But that would be lame, and I hope Ron and Co. can do better. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2009, 12:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-17-no-exit-spoilers/485696/209 "2009-02-17T00:34:43Z")
Simon was about to go into Starbuck’s ovaries when she was rescued. She still has 'em. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2009, 12:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-17-no-exit-spoilers/485696/210 "2009-02-17T00:38:49Z")
> [@silenus](#): > > But that would be lame, and I hope Ron and Co. can do better. I think Galactica will do a Pegasus. I hadn’t thought about your other idea, though. ---
**Author:** ![KneadToKnow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kneadtoknow/32/3999_2.png) [@KneadToKnow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KneadToKnow)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2009, 12:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-17-no-exit-spoilers/485696/211 "2009-02-17T00:47:53Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > I think Galactica will do a Pegasus. I hadn’t thought about your other idea, though. They have cloaking devices[?](http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Image:USS_Pegasus.jpg) Oops, sorry: got my shows mixed up. ---
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2009, 12:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-17-no-exit-spoilers/485696/212 "2009-02-17T00:49:25Z")
Galactica is probably doomed, but I don’t see everyone relocating to another ship. It’s got to be a planet, don’t you think? We pretty much have to do this all again, or break the cycle, which I don’t think will involve settling another ship. ---
**Author:** ![Lightray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lightray/32/391_2.png) [@Lightray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lightray)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2009, 12:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-17-no-exit-spoilers/485696/213 "2009-02-17T00:56:38Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > Simon was about to go into Starbuck’s ovaries when she was rescued. She still has 'em. When Leoben tries to make Kara think that Kacey was her child, he tells her that she was a Cylon-human crossbreed made from eggs from an ovary that Simon had taken from her on the Farm. Since Kara had time after returning to the fleet from the Farm to get her insides checked out, she’d know whether or not something was missing. So, likely she’s down at least one, although not two (since Simon told the Six at the Farm he’d operate again the next day; no need, if both were already gone). And, of course, Moore has joked on podcasts about “Starbuck’s missing ovaries.” But he lies, often. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2009, 1:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-17-no-exit-spoilers/485696/214 "2009-02-17T01:17:58Z")
Forgive me if anyone already asked this. Why did Ellen resurrect “old”(I know she’s not that old). I assume she, like Tigh, has a younger body. I remember Adama telling Saul, “I remember when you had hair,” so they must age. 😕 ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2009, 1:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-17-no-exit-spoilers/485696/215 "2009-02-17T01:19:37Z")
> [@levdrakon](#): > > We pretty much have to do this all again, or break the cycle, which I don’t think will involve settling another ship. I don’t believe it to be a cycle, just two slave revolts. The point of the show, what would give our characters meaning is to prevent another revolt, preferably by destroying the Cylons and making no more, but probably uniting humans and the final five, cheesy as it seems. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Critical1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/3e96dc/32.png) [@Critical1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Critical1)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2009, 1:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-17-no-exit-spoilers/485696/216 "2009-02-17T01:34:35Z")
Boomer and Ellen steal a raptor…good lord I hope that thing has one hell of a fuel tank ---
**Author:** ![troub](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/troub/32/14802_2.png) [@troub](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/troub)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2009, 2:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-17-no-exit-spoilers/485696/217 "2009-02-17T02:08:27Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#): > > Forgive me if anyone already asked this. > > Why did Ellen resurrect “old”(I know she’s not that old). I assume she, like Tigh, has a younger body. I remember Adama telling Saul, “I remember when you had hair,” so they must age. > > 😕 I actually thought they did make her look a bit younger at least. I’m still not clear how old they were supposed to be when they were first resurrected. Anyway, I always thought she pretty much looked like the aged party girl she was portrayed to be, but on the basestar, I thought she looked pretty beautiful. Whether that was supposed to be due to her rebirth and spiritually “pure” attitude or to a younger body, I’m not sure. How much younger would she be? If we go by how long Adama and Tigh have known each other. . .that was supposed to be something like 20 years right? But if they were resurrected that long ago, how old could Anders, Tory, and Tyrol have been? 10? And accomplished scientists? Am I missing some part of the timeline, or have Adama and Tigh not really known each other that long? ---
**Author:** ![cerberus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/71e660/32.png) [@cerberus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cerberus)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2009, 2:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-17-no-exit-spoilers/485696/218 "2009-02-17T02:19:52Z")
Wouldn’t a restored Kara lack tats and have both ovaries? As for Galactica, saving the fleet that way would be a way to go. Not having both Adama and Roslin at the end would sorta suck, but one of the three is the “dying leader leading them to earth” - or perhaps that was Roslin already, and the rest of the game is new. ---
**Author:** ![troub](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/troub/32/14802_2.png) [@troub](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/troub)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2009, 2:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-17-no-exit-spoilers/485696/219 "2009-02-17T02:22:23Z")
Just found the scene in Revelations where Adama tells Tigh, “I’ve known you for 30 years. . . When I met you, you had hair. . .” 30 years!? I’d put Tory, Tyrol, and Anders in their early 30’s, max. Ellen looked late-40’s to me, though the res’d version from this episode could probably pass for 35-40, IMO. So. . .what the hell? Something to do with what Anders was talking about traveling at subluminal speeds and time moving slower for them? Was that only the three of them, and not Ellen or Saul somehow? ---
**Author:** ![troub](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/troub/32/14802_2.png) [@troub](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/troub)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2009, 2:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-17-no-exit-spoilers/485696/220 "2009-02-17T02:44:44Z")
Ugh, I hate replying to my own posts so much, but I just watched all of the Anders scenes from this ep again, and in the last one he talks about how after they res’d and then traveled to the colonies to warn them, they helped the centurions create the skinjobs. Then Cavil turned on them, killed and boxed them for a while, and reintroduced them into humanity with the implanted memories. He sent Saul first, “not long after the war,” then Ellen. Presumably the other three were planted some time later, making it plausible that they were all in various stages of their 30’s or so, on which their recreated bodies would be based, while accounting for the relative “oldness” of Saul and Ellen. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-17-no-exit-spoilers/485696.md?page=10) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-17-no-exit-spoilers/485696.md?page=12)