# Battlestar Galactica 4.17 - "No Exit" (spoilers) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [February 13, 2009, 4:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-17-no-exit-spoilers/485696 "2009-02-13T16:22:14Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 12
**Author:** ![Ethilrist](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ethilrist/32/4604_2.png) [@Ethilrist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ethilrist)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2009, 4:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-17-no-exit-spoilers/485696/221 "2009-02-17T16:05:40Z")
I think Anders’ brain is just stuck on that window that says “Universe Explorer has encountered a problem and had to shut down. In order to improve service, please send an error report to the mother ship. [Send error report] [Don’t send]” ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2009, 4:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-17-no-exit-spoilers/485696/222 "2009-02-17T16:25:44Z")
The blue screen of (brain) death? ---
**Author:** ![Paintcharge](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/paintcharge/32/7946_2.png) [@Paintcharge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Paintcharge)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2009, 5:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-17-no-exit-spoilers/485696/223 "2009-02-17T17:02:32Z")
> [@troub](#): > > He sent Saul first, “not long after the war,” then Ellen. Presumably the other three were planted some time later, making it plausible that they were all in various stages of their 30’s or so, on which their recreated bodies would be based, while accounting for the relative “oldness” of Saul and Ellen. Didn’t Adama and Saul fight together in the war? I thought that was accepted canon. ---
**Author:** ![Ethilrist](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ethilrist/32/4604_2.png) [@Ethilrist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ethilrist)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2009, 5:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-17-no-exit-spoilers/485696/224 "2009-02-17T17:37:01Z")
No, remember, in the flashback in Razor, Adama’s first mission was on the last day of the war. They met some time after that. Yes, this goes against previously-established canon. ---
**Author:** ![Lightray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lightray/32/391_2.png) [@Lightray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lightray)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2009, 5:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-17-no-exit-spoilers/485696/225 "2009-02-17T17:37:54Z")
Tigh met Adama well after the war, when they were both working on a tramp freighter. [Battlestar wiki](http://en.battlestarwiki.org/wiki/Saul_Tigh) has a good summary. I suppose, with what we now know, that Saul Tigh never really fought in the Cylon Wars, although he has John-implanted memories of doing so. John probably introduced him into the Colonies either just before he met Adama on that freighter, or some time before he met and married Ellen (don’t know which meeting happened first). ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2009, 5:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-17-no-exit-spoilers/485696/226 "2009-02-17T17:54:03Z")
> [@Lightray](#): > > I suppose, with what we now know, that Saul Tigh never really fought in the Cylon Wars, although he has John-implanted memories of doing so. That would be difficult. Campaign medals he should have, people he should know who served on various vessels, military paperwork that doesn’t match up with his memories. Sort of like knowing you took Differential Equations, but it doesn’t show up on your transcript. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Oakminster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/77aa72/32.png) [@Oakminster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oakminster)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2009, 6:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-17-no-exit-spoilers/485696/227 "2009-02-17T18:11:27Z")
Anybody else find it curious that somehow Starbuck gets to overrule Anders regarding his medical treatment? Anders was awake, apparently able to understand the risks of treatment and postponing treatment, and clearly expressed his wish to not be treated at this time…yet Starbuck says jump and Cottle says “How high?”… ---
**Author:** ![Lightray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lightray/32/391_2.png) [@Lightray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lightray)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2009, 6:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-17-no-exit-spoilers/485696/228 "2009-02-17T18:16:58Z")
Gina Inviere and Caprica Six both managed to get military clearance for their infiltration. Boomer and Tyrol had military service records. So as apparently the Cylons had the resources to set _them_ up with everything they needed, we can conclude that they got Tigh all the appropriate medals, records, etc. The hinky thing is, Tigh never ran into an old service buddy in the ten-ish years after he got dropped into the Colonies? Never tried to look up someone who’d served with him (to get a job, or free drink)? While Ellen was sleeping her way around the Fleet, she never met anybody who _should_ have served with her husband, but never remembered him? ---
**Author:** ![Alan\_Smithee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/2acd7d/32.png) [@Alan\_Smithee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alan_Smithee)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2009, 6:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-17-no-exit-spoilers/485696/229 "2009-02-17T18:18:55Z")
I noticed that, too. It’s especially odd since Cottle is normally such a stickler for medical ethics (albeit his own understanding of them): he refused to tell Tyrol about his child even after Cally was dead based on patient confidentiallity, he provided illegal or secret abortions on the request of the mother, he treated Cylons and Colonials alike on New Caprica. (Of course, wasn’t he also instrumental in kidnapping and hiding Hera?) I can only assume that the Medical Ethics course at the University of Caprica (Go Fighting Daggits!) School of Medicine must have been very unusual. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2009, 6:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-17-no-exit-spoilers/485696/230 "2009-02-17T18:19:45Z")
> [@Oakminster](#): > > Anybody else find it curious that somehow Starbuck gets to overrule Anders regarding his medical treatment? Anders was awake, apparently able to understand the risks of treatment and postponing treatment, and clearly expressed his wish to not be treated at this time…yet Starbuck says jump and Cottle says “How high?”… He was experiencing some mental problems at the time. I think it’s reasonable for there to be a “not in his right mind” clause in the patient — doctor relationship. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2009, 6:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-17-no-exit-spoilers/485696/231 "2009-02-17T18:23:49Z")
> [@Lightray](#): > > Gina Inviere and Caprica Six both managed to get military clearance for their infiltration. Boomer and Tyrol had military service records. So as apparently the Cylons had the resources to set _them_ up with everything they needed, we can conclude that they got Tigh all the appropriate medals, records, etc. > > The hinky thing is, Tigh never ran into an old service buddy in the ten-ish years after he got dropped into the Colonies? Never tried to look up someone who’d served with him (to get a job, or free drink)? While Ellen was sleeping her way around the Fleet, she never met anybody who _should_ have served with her husband, but never remembered him? They could have falsified his records to show that he served on a destroyed battlestar. Maybe he’s one of the four guys who made the escape pods. ---
**Author:** ![Levolor\_the\_Blind](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/bc8723/32.png) [@Levolor\_the\_Blind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Levolor_the_Blind)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2009, 6:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-17-no-exit-spoilers/485696/232 "2009-02-17T18:35:24Z")
> [@Lobohan](#): > > They could have falsified his records to show that he served on a destroyed battlestar. Maybe he’s one of the four guys who made the escape pods. It could be that a) service records from the first war aren’t that good, what with the cylons frakking with the networked computer systems and b) their security checks probably amounted to “he doesn’t look like a robot, so he’s cool.” ---
**Author:** ![Lightray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lightray/32/391_2.png) [@Lightray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lightray)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2009, 6:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-17-no-exit-spoilers/485696/233 "2009-02-17T18:40:57Z")
> [@Alan\_Smithee](#): > > … at the University of Caprica (Go Fighting Daggits!) Buccaneers, isn’t it? Who did Anders play for? > [@Lobohan](#): > > They could have falsified his records to show that he served on a destroyed battlestar. Maybe he’s one of the four guys who made the escape pods. He _did_ serve on a destroyed ship, two actually: the Brenik and another (unnamed) one. He was later transfered to Viper pilot school, and served on the Athena (fate unknown). Although they could’ve used three destroyed ships to fabricate his background, there had to have been _some_ survivors of pilot school still around for the ten years before the Colonies went up in flames. ---
**Author:** ![Smitty](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e274bd/32.png) [@Smitty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smitty)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2009, 8:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-17-no-exit-spoilers/485696/234 "2009-02-17T20:22:17Z")
Alright. I think I have it figured out. “Daniel” is actually a corruption of R. Daneel Olivaw 😃 ---
**Author:** ![KneadToKnow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kneadtoknow/32/3999_2.png) [@KneadToKnow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KneadToKnow)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2009, 8:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-17-no-exit-spoilers/485696/235 "2009-02-17T20:24:20Z")
I think Daniel was Zak. Or Boxey. ---
**Author:** ![Alan\_Smithee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/2acd7d/32.png) [@Alan\_Smithee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alan_Smithee)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2009, 8:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-17-no-exit-spoilers/485696/236 "2009-02-17T20:30:24Z")
Maybe Daniel was a daggit! ---
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2009, 8:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-17-no-exit-spoilers/485696/237 "2009-02-17T20:40:11Z")
Daniel will be Starbuck’s father, and will be Dirk Benedict. Just you wait. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Rubystreak](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e5b9ba/32.png) [@Rubystreak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rubystreak)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2009, 8:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-17-no-exit-spoilers/485696/238 "2009-02-17T20:58:20Z")
> [@KneadToKnow](#): > > I think Daniel was Zak. > > Or Boxey. How could Daniel be Zak, when there are several living, real people who remember him from birth to death? ---
**Author:** ![KneadToKnow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kneadtoknow/32/3999_2.png) [@KneadToKnow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KneadToKnow)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2009, 9:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-17-no-exit-spoilers/485696/239 "2009-02-17T21:19:35Z")
> [@Rubystreak](#): > > How could Daniel be Zak, when there are several living, real people who remember him from birth to death? Could be I was joking. ---
**Author:** ![alphaboi867](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alphaboi867/32/3898_2.png) [@alphaboi867](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alphaboi867)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2009, 9:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-17-no-exit-spoilers/485696/240 "2009-02-17T21:19:41Z")
> [@Lightray](#): > > Buccaneers, isn’t it? Who did Anders play for?.. Anders played for the Caprica Buccaneers, but it was a profesional team. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-17-no-exit-spoilers/485696.md?page=11) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-17-no-exit-spoilers/485696.md?page=13)