# Battlestar Galactica 4.18 - "Deadlock" (spoilers) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [February 20, 2009, 2:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-18-deadlock-spoilers/486664 "2009-02-20T02:42:45Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 13
**Author:** ![melodyharmonius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/melodyharmonius/32/21310_2.png) [@melodyharmonius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/melodyharmonius)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2009, 8:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-18-deadlock-spoilers/486664/241 "2009-02-26T20:52:12Z")
> [@levdrakon](#): > > When Anders told everyone that Tyrol and Tory had been an item, everyone laughed. Except Tory. I wonder if Tory is going to engineer a Boomer airlocking. Now THAT intrigues me. :dubious: Killer Boomer vs. Bitch Tory. Can we bring back the boxing matches?? ---
**Author:** ![Lightray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lightray/32/391_2.png) [@Lightray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lightray)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2009, 9:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-18-deadlock-spoilers/486664/242 "2009-02-26T21:34:27Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > Sure, other characters had feelings and attitudes toward her, but _as far as the viewers are concerned_, there were no narrative lines left unresolved with her. Well, as far as _you_ were concerned, maybe. I, personally, thought and still think that there are unresolved issues with Boomer. Apparently, the writers are on my side, so… neener-neener. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Troy\_McClure\_SF](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/troy_mcclure_sf/32/4150_2.png) [@Troy\_McClure\_SF](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Troy_McClure_SF)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2009, 10:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-18-deadlock-spoilers/486664/243 "2009-02-26T22:07:12Z")
> [@melodyharmonius](#): > > Can we bring back the boxing matches?? Might [this](http://www.hulu.com/watch/58298/battlestar-galactica-rekha-san#s-p2-sr-i1) do? (Spoiler-safe.) ---
**Author:** ![melodyharmonius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/melodyharmonius/32/21310_2.png) [@melodyharmonius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/melodyharmonius)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2009, 11:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-18-deadlock-spoilers/486664/244 "2009-02-26T23:35:46Z")
> [@Troy\_McClure\_SF](#): > > Might [this](http://www.hulu.com/watch/58298/battlestar-galactica-rekha-san#s-p2-sr-i1) do? (Spoiler-safe.) omg - i now have a new addiction: hulu. :smack: Tory is still a bitch. But Rekha San is okay. ---
**Author:** ![KneadToKnow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kneadtoknow/32/3999_2.png) [@KneadToKnow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KneadToKnow)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2009, 11:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-18-deadlock-spoilers/486664/245 "2009-02-26T23:37:13Z")
Oh noes! Alec Baldwin’s eating **mel** ’s brain! ---
**Author:** ![Merijeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f05b48/32.png) [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2009, 12:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-18-deadlock-spoilers/486664/246 "2009-02-27T00:23:52Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > Sure, other characters had feelings and attitudes toward her, but _as far as the viewers are concerned_, there were no narrative lines left unresolved with her. > > As for resolving the Cavil story, do we know if D’Anna killed him or not? Are he, his followers, and his fleet still a threat (and still an unresolved narrative line for the viewers), or aren’t they? Do you even pay attention to the show? First, don’t speak for authoritatively for “the viewers”, seeing as how as you are only a single one of them. Second, during Elnlen’s episode we see her brain cracking (and escape) was “two days ago”. Unless everything that has happened between “The Hub” and this episode has happened IN THE LAST TWO DAYS, Cavill is obviously still on the loose. -Joe ---
**Author:** ![Rubystreak](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e5b9ba/32.png) [@Rubystreak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rubystreak)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2009, 12:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-18-deadlock-spoilers/486664/247 "2009-02-27T00:35:34Z")
> [@Lightray](#): > > Well, as far as _you_ were concerned, maybe. > > I, personally, thought and still think that there are unresolved issues with Boomer. Apparently, the writers are on my side, so… neener-neener. 😛 I for one have been waiting for the Chief/Boomer reunion since we found out that Chief was a Cylon. When he was dealing with the loss of Cally, he basically flat-out said that Boomer was his true love and that he settled for Cally but still thought about Boomer. What split them up was her being a Cylon and him not being one, so… yeah. Major loose end, can’t wait to see where it goes. ---
**Author:** ![joemama24\_98](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ce7236/32.png) [@joemama24\_98](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/joemama24_98)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2009, 1:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-18-deadlock-spoilers/486664/248 "2009-02-27T01:46:38Z")
I can’t believe you all are complaining about the Boomer thing… …I, for one, am thankful for more Grace Park screen time. A simple man, I am. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2009, 2:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-18-deadlock-spoilers/486664/249 "2009-02-27T14:27:01Z")
> [@Merijeek](#): > > Do you even pay attention to the show? Do you enjoy the Pit? This is a frakkin’ _TV show_.:rolleyes: > [@](#): > > Unless everything that has happened between “The Hub” and this episode has happened IN THE LAST TWO DAYS, Cavill is obviously still on the loose. Don’t be so casual with the word “obviously” there, especially not on that point. Surely you’ve actually read this thread, and its predecessors, haven’t you?:dubious: ---
**Author:** ![muldoonthief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muldoonthief/32/3188_2.png) [@muldoonthief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/muldoonthief)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2009, 3:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-18-deadlock-spoilers/486664/250 "2009-02-27T15:05:36Z")
> [@Lightray](#): > > Does the fleet even know that Caprica was the one who got the military codes from Baltar? Seems unlikely she (or the other Cylons) would’ve shared, and Baltar certainly would not have. Athena is about the only one who might have tattled, and after Caprica helped get Hera back, I’m not sure if she would have. > > Even so, while Caprica was certainly _involved_ in killing 15 billion humans, her part was rather small, overall. It wasn’t until the aftermath that she became an influential Cylon – she was in danger of being boxed, after the Colonies were destroyed, so she obviously did not have a strong position among the Cylons. > > And Boomer is in the brig because she shot _Adama_, the guy with the power to put her in the brig (and the one who _did_ put her in the brig). > > She is also not part of the rebel Cylons’ faction, and so technically remains an enemy combatant. In fact, since she alone was responsible for the vote that led to the Cylon schism, the rebel Cylons probably won’t be too thrilled with her, either. I’d say Caprica Six had a larger part than any other individual Cylon in the destruction of the colonies. She was the one who got the Cylon virus into the defense computers, leaving the colonies wide open to attack. If that hadn’t happened, we would have had a real war on our hands (remember Pegasus & Galactica could quite handily beat up on basestars), and not just a massacre. I’m assuming she’s out of the brig only because Tigh requested it, and because it’s good PR with the other Cylons. Boomer’s in the brig for 2 reasons - she shot Adama, which pissed off humans, and she allied with Cavil which pissed off the other Cylons with the fleet. ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2009, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-18-deadlock-spoilers/486664/251 "2009-02-27T17:35:33Z")
> [@muldoonthief](#): > > I’d say Caprica Six had a larger part than any other individual Cylon in the destruction of the colonies. She was the one who got the Cylon virus into the defense computers, leaving the colonies wide open to attack. If that hadn’t happened, we would have had a real war on our hands (remember Pegasus & Galactica could quite handily beat up on basestars), and not just a massacre. I’m assuming she’s out of the brig only because Tigh requested it, and because it’s good PR with the other Cylons. > > Boomer’s in the brig for 2 reasons - she shot Adama, which pissed off humans, and she allied with Cavil which pissed off the other Cylons with the fleet. We know Caprica Six’s history - as do the other Cylons - but on the show the only one who knows it outside the Cylons is Gaius - and he isn’t going to bring it up. Roslyn had her suspicions, based upon a drug induced hallucination - and another 6 model made the accusation of Gaius’s involvment that was disporoved by Gaeta back in season 1. ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2009, 5:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-18-deadlock-spoilers/486664/252 "2009-02-27T17:45:16Z")
Roslin knows for a fact because Baltar confessed semi-deliriously while he was bleeding to death on the base ship. ---
**Author:** ![Merijeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f05b48/32.png) [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2009, 5:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-18-deadlock-spoilers/486664/253 "2009-02-27T17:54:20Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > Do you enjoy the Pit? This is a frakkin’ _TV show_.:rolleyes: Not really. Nowadays it seems to be completely pussified. > [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > Don’t be so casual with the word “obviously” there, especially not on that point. Surely you’ve actually read this thread, and its predecessors, haven’t you?:dubious: “OMG, did that guy totally die six weeks ago?!?!?!” We saw him, up, walking around, and planning surgery (on someone else) right after a placard that read “Two days ago”. If that doesn’t qualify as “obvious”, nothing does. -Joe ---
**Author:** ![muldoonthief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muldoonthief/32/3188_2.png) [@muldoonthief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/muldoonthief)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2009, 6:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-18-deadlock-spoilers/486664/254 "2009-02-27T18:13:16Z")
> [@simster](#): > > We know Caprica Six’s history - as do the other Cylons - but on the show the only one who knows it outside the Cylons is Gaius - and he isn’t going to bring it up. > > Roslyn had her suspicions, based upon a drug induced hallucination - and another 6 model made the accusation of Gaius’s involvment that was disporoved by Gaeta back in season 1. I was replying to **Lightray’s** comment that Caprica had a “rather small” part in destroying the Colonies. I can’t think of a single Cylon who had a larger part. ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2009, 6:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-18-deadlock-spoilers/486664/255 "2009-02-27T18:22:38Z")
> [@muldoonthief](#): > > I was replying to **Lightray’s** comment that Caprica had a “rather small” part in destroying the Colonies. I can’t think of a single Cylon who had a larger part. Agree with that, altho it could be argued that Cavill played a larger role in developing the plan to begin with – I was responding to why you thought she was ‘out of the brig’… [QUOTE=Cervaise] Roslin knows for a fact because Baltar confessed semi-deliriously while he was bleeding to death on the base ship. [/QUOTE] I had forgotten about that - seems if she believed what she had heard something more would’ve come of it. ---
**Author:** ![KneadToKnow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kneadtoknow/32/3999_2.png) [@KneadToKnow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KneadToKnow)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2009, 6:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-18-deadlock-spoilers/486664/256 "2009-02-27T18:22:42Z")
> [@muldoonthief](#): > > I can’t think of a single Cylon who had a larger part. I’d be willing to bet Simon has a really larg… Oh, sorry, not what you meant. ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2009, 6:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-18-deadlock-spoilers/486664/257 "2009-02-27T18:32:26Z")
> [@simster](#): > > I had forgotten about that - seems if she believed what she had heard something more would’ve come of it. Maybe, maybe not. Based on the confrontation between them during the mutiny, where Roslin demanded use of Baltar’s wireless set to broadcast her pirate signal, it seems like they may have arrived at some sort of mutually-assured-destruction stalemate. Baltar may be a head case, but he’s also proven himself a formidable enemy, and Roslin can’t airlock him until she knows he isn’t clutching her sleeve. ---
**Author:** ![Lightray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lightray/32/391_2.png) [@Lightray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lightray)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2009, 6:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-18-deadlock-spoilers/486664/258 "2009-02-27T18:37:30Z")
> [@muldoonthief](#): > > I was replying to **Lightray’s** comment that Caprica had a “rather small” part in destroying the Colonies. I can’t think of a single Cylon who had a larger part. Yes, but my post was directly following **levdrakon** saying that “Caprica killed 15 billion people”. She was certainly instrumental in those people being killed, but she was not solely responsible. And she seems to have been very low in the Cylon hierarchy (such as it is) at the time. As Cylon scapegoats for 15 billion deaths, John Cavil is the one to look to. And I think her part is “rather small” because the attack on the Colonies would have occurred whether or not she had been successful. The Cylons were pleasantly surprised by the ease with which they had destroyed the Colonies and left them in move-in condition – they’d expected the Colonials to put up more of a fight. Their Baltar gambit paid off, but they seemed to have been prepared for it to not have worked. (hence, Gina Inviere’s presence on Pegasus) ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2009, 7:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-18-deadlock-spoilers/486664/259 "2009-02-27T19:10:11Z")
Has no one begun a “Someone to Watch Over Me” thread? There is less than eight hours to go! ---
**Author:** ![Lightray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lightray/32/391_2.png) [@Lightray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lightray)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2009, 7:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-18-deadlock-spoilers/486664/260 "2009-02-27T19:13:41Z")
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