# Battlestar Galactica 4.18 - "Deadlock" (spoilers)
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**Category:** Cafe Society
**Created:** [February 20, 2009, 2:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-18-deadlock-spoilers/486664 "2009-02-20T02:42:45Z")
**Posts on this page:** 20
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### Author:  [@CutterJohn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CutterJohn)
#### Post date: [February 22, 2009, 2:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-18-deadlock-spoilers/486664/121 "2009-02-22T14:07:10Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#):
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> I have a sinking feeling we’re not going to find out how Boomer found the fleet. Nobody even asked her. Time for some hard fanwanking - there’s a new continuity problem to replace the model numbering one.
We should be used to it by now. We’ve still got zero answers on other similar questions, such as why entire fleet lost power simultaneously at the end of season 3.
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### Author:  [@melodyharmonius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/melodyharmonius)
#### Post date: [February 22, 2009, 2:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-18-deadlock-spoilers/486664/122 "2009-02-22T14:21:24Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#):
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> Not even the skinjobs are known to have wondered why there was a gap in the sequence - they were astonished to find there had ever been an 8th model.
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> It all stems from Moore and Eick calling Boomer a “Number Eight” early on, before they had planned for the existence of unrevealed models. The Daniel story is likely no more than a coverup.
Ok, back when Boomer and Caprica Six were first becoming friends - Cavil told Caprica Six that if Boomer didn’t get it, they were going to box her. That’s when we first found out about the idea of boxing and that there was one complete line that had already been boxed. That was the 7s. They never boxed boomer because Caprica and she pulled the revolutions.
Then later, when they talked about boxing again - it was for D’Anna and they followed through.
Does anyone else remember that? Or am I just fanfic-ing my own memories?
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### Author:  [@Bob55](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bob55)
#### Post date: [February 22, 2009, 3:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-18-deadlock-spoilers/486664/123 "2009-02-22T15:02:05Z")
> [@melodyharmonius](#):
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> Ok, back when Boomer and Caprica Six were first becoming friends - Cavil told Caprica Six that if Boomer didn’t get it, they were going to box her. That’s when we first found out about the idea of boxing and that there was one complete line that had already been boxed. That was the 7s. They never boxed boomer because Caprica and she pulled the revolutions.
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> Then later, when they talked about boxing again - it was for D’Anna and they followed through.
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> Does anyone else remember that? Or am I just fanfic-ing my own memories?
You’re right, except it was D’Anna who told Caprica Six they would box Sharon outside of her apartment. Caprica Six went in and convinced her they were on the same side, then the bomb went off in the basement set by Anders, Caprica Six killed D’Anna, etc.
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### Author:  [@Smeghead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smeghead)
#### Post date: [February 22, 2009, 3:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-18-deadlock-spoilers/486664/124 "2009-02-22T15:28:06Z")
That was a stupid, stupid episode. I completely agree with the Fark headline: “With just 5 episodes to go, Galactica wastes one of them frakking around with a lot of nonsense and the return of the show’s most annoying, unsympathetic character to the ship.”
Bah.
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### Author:  [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)
#### Post date: [February 22, 2009, 3:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-18-deadlock-spoilers/486664/125 "2009-02-22T15:58:02Z")
> [@Smeghead](#):
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> That was a stupid, stupid episode. I completely agree with the Fark headline: “With just 5 episodes to go, Galactica wastes one of them frakking around with a lot of nonsense and the return of the show’s most annoying, unsympathetic character to the ship.”
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> Bah.
Cally is back?
-Joe
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### Author:  [@MacTech](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MacTech)
#### Post date: [February 22, 2009, 4:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-18-deadlock-spoilers/486664/126 "2009-02-22T16:03:41Z")
> [@Smeghead](#):
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> That was a stupid, stupid episode. I completely agree with the Fark headline: “With just 5 episodes to go, Galactica wastes one of them frakking around with a lot of nonsense and the return of the show’s most annoying, unsympathetic character to the ship.”
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> Bah.
Agreed, this ep was the “Black Market” or “The Woman King” of the final season, it doesn’t even merit a halfhearted “meh…”
Lets hope they did this because it was cheap, and they’re saving up for the Final Four™ episodes which will be jam-packed with action, intrigue and stuff gettin’ all 'splodey…
the last thing we need is more Navel-Gazing episodes…
…unless, of course that it’s Kara’s, Athena/Boomer’s, Six’s or Tori’s navels that we’re gazing at 😉 Rowr!
…heck, if we have the Final Four™ episodes have at least _one_ BBB BaseStar I can die a happy man… MMMM…BBB
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### Author:  [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)
#### Post date: [February 22, 2009, 4:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-18-deadlock-spoilers/486664/127 "2009-02-22T16:50:21Z")
I’ve had about enough of Tigh & Adama’s fighting, making up and crying about something every week. I get that they’re excellent actors and give great scenes, but there’s too much left that needs to be told. Time’s a wasting. Next week Roslin will probably croak and we’ll have to watch five more minutes of those two hugging and crying again.
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### Author:  [@Lightray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lightray)
#### Post date: [February 22, 2009, 5:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-18-deadlock-spoilers/486664/128 "2009-02-22T17:56:32Z")
> [@melodyharmonius](#):
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> Ok, back when Boomer and Caprica Six were first becoming friends - Cavil told Caprica Six that if Boomer didn’t get it, they were going to box her. That’s when we first found out about the idea of boxing and that there was one complete line that had already been boxed. That was the 7s. They never boxed boomer because Caprica and she pulled the revolutions.
The boxing of the 3s was the first time an entire line had ever been boxed. There was no mention of a model #7 until “No Exit”. And the 7s weren’t boxed, anyway.
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### Author:  [@ExTank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ExTank)
#### Post date: [February 22, 2009, 6:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-18-deadlock-spoilers/486664/129 "2009-02-22T18:15:55Z")
The more I think about it, the less I’m buying Adama getting all maudlin’ and sloppy drunk over Cylon Sooper Gloo holding The Bucket together.
Unless that’s just the most recent manifestation of the big emotional let-down from Earth being a waste of time, and the uncertainty of the future. I mean, for four or five years, it was all, “Earth will fix everything.” “Earth will be our new beginning.” “The 13th tribe will save us.”
There’s serious “What the frak _now!?_” going around.
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### Author:  [@Smeghead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smeghead)
#### Post date: [February 22, 2009, 6:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-18-deadlock-spoilers/486664/130 "2009-02-22T18:16:32Z")
> [@Merijeek](#):
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> Cally is back?
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> -Joe
No, they got rid of her and the baby because they were inconvenient to the story of Galen being a Cylon. Another lame move, if you ask me.
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### Author:  [@Clark\_K](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Clark_K)
#### Post date: [February 22, 2009, 6:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-18-deadlock-spoilers/486664/131 "2009-02-22T18:18:49Z")
> [@Oakminster](#):
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> There was no number 7. We had a 6 and an 8, and we were originally told that there were 12 Cylon models.
Thanks!
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### Author:  [@jackdavinci](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jackdavinci)
#### Post date: [February 22, 2009, 8:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-18-deadlock-spoilers/486664/132 "2009-02-22T20:52:13Z")
> [@Rubystreak](#):
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> It struck me as juvenile to the point of babyish that these grown people still equate getting someone pregnant with loving them.
As others have already commented, the Cylons seem to believe that love is actually biologically needed for reproduction, since the only Cylon pregnancy that worked so far was Athena’s. But likely, this was largely a justification for Ellen’s jealousy issues mixed with her failure to procreate with Tigh in either life.
> [@davidw](#):
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> Have they jumped away from our solar system yet? If not, then I don’t think it would be that hard to find them, since Ellen knows the way to Earth now.
That would be the obvious answer.
> [@Unauthorized\_Cinnamon](#):
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> I like the idea that Ellen is intelligent and competent, and more well-rounded than her human incarnation led us to believe, but that her emotions take over and she goes loopy around Saul. However, I think they overshot “interesting complexity” and went all the way to “multiple personality disorder” here. There wasn’t much to connect the Ellen we met on the basestar with the manipulative . . . yes, cunt is the correct word . . . in this episode.
I really liked the Ellen from last episode and was hoping that would carry over here. But I guess her personality is largely contextual - when around cylons she acts more like her cylon self. And back in the fleet her old patterns come out. I actually thought this was done rather well. When she first gets back, she’s still acting somewhat cylon, and even says, as if to convince them, “I’m still the Ellen you know”. It’s not til she finds out about the 6 and the pregnancy that her insecurities and old patterns start to reemerge. And then towards the end of the episode she starts to swing back the other way a little bit after all the drama.
> [@ElvisL1ves](#):
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> But either John took all that time to figure out what he could do, or she and Boomer were gallivanting through the universe in that Raptor for a year and a half.
She rezzed right away. The issue of opening up her brain wouldn’t have come up until the Hub was destroyed. Before that there was no reason for John to ask her about the resurrection technology. There’s been barely any time since the hub was destroyed and the current episode.
> [@Rubystreak](#):
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> It bugged me that Tyrol wanted to leave the fleet. I just can’t see him doing that. I was sure he was going to want to stay. It was pure plot contrivance to have him say otherwise, so the vote would be split with Ellen as deciding vote. What, was going to leave in the middle of fixing Galactica? I can’t imagine that he would.
Agree! Totally contrived.
> [@Lightray](#):
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> gangs of humans roaming around beating up pregnant Cylons
Why the hell was she there anyway?
> [@Lightray](#):
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> No. They jumped away in “Sometimes a Great Notion”. By the webisodes, they were already out in space, somewhere, which is where they jumped away from and then jumped back to.
The last scene in that episode was Tigh on Earth, so there was no jumping away in that episode. We haven’t seen them jump since then and not come back.
> [@ElvisL1ves](#):
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> Okay, I lost track. Then somehow she kept hidden from the rest of the Cavil fleet for all that time, while the idea of opening her skull never occurred to him. Further, if he really was killed in the Great Cylon Schism operation, then Ellen’s escape was before that, and she and Boomer have been wandering around space ever since.
He wouldn’t have needed to open her skull until the hub was destroyed which was only like a week ago. And yes, he kept her sequestered away from the rest of the cylons except for Boomer for the same reason he wiped all of the cylons memories of her to begin with. It’s not clear that it was the same Cavil that woke up Deanna.
> [@melodyharmonius](#):
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> And what was with Ellen and the face touching of Tory and Tyrol? These are not her children, these are her fellow co-workers. That was weird - I kept waiting for it to make sense.
As she explained to Laura, when you are the last five surviving member of an entire race, you develop an extreme closeness.
> [@melodyharmonius](#):
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> And I kept waiting for it to be significant that a 6 was painting on the cylon goo. After Bill had said last week, “only human crews.” I waited to find out that one of the 6’s was sabotaging or something - especially when Bill was touching a piece that still was not fixed yet.
Bill said only human crews before he agreed to the goo. Obviously only cylons are going to know how to properly use the goo.
> [@ElvisL1ves](#):
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> If only the Five had voted, that is. But the skinjobs had votes too (1 per model, apparently). The Sixes and Eights voted to go.
Nope, only the five got to vote.
> [@levdrakon](#):
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> How do the Cylons think with only twelve models they’re going to go off and rebuild a new culture? They’re already having reproductive problems, surely they don’t think what kids they could produce would provide sufficient genetic diversity.
They thought that 6’s baby meant that they could ‘proof of concept’ reproduce. Everything after that is engineering 🙂 Of course, even if Ellen hadn’t changed her vote to stay, likely the miscarriage would have made the cylons reconsider.
> [@Lightray](#):
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> Of course it wasn’t a coincidence. The scene with Liam dying was in the sickbay. Before moving on to other action, they show what else is going on in sickbay – which happens to be Anders’ regaining brain activity.
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> There was no other point in the episode they could’ve shown that, without it seeming gratuitously random. And there is no other time it could’ve happened in the sickbay without someone having immediately noticed.
Agree - I don’t think it’s significant other than in a literary juxtaposition way.
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### Author:  [@Lightray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lightray)
#### Post date: [February 22, 2009, 9:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-18-deadlock-spoilers/486664/133 "2009-02-22T21:12:19Z")
> [@jackdavinci](#):
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> The last scene in that episode was Tigh on Earth, so there was no jumping away in that episode. We haven’t seen them jump since then and not come back.
The scene before that was Adama ordering Gaeta to find any nearby stars that could have habitable planets, and Hoshi to invite their new allies to come along.
Nine days later, “Face of the Enemy” occurs with the fleet in space. _Not_ around a planet.
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### Author:  [@alphaboi867](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alphaboi867)
#### Post date: [February 22, 2009, 9:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-18-deadlock-spoilers/486664/134 "2009-02-22T21:24:28Z")
Did Ellen actually die in the Cylon attack on the 12 Colonies? If she did and Cavil resurrected her (sans FF memories) that would explain how she ended up the Rising Star with amnesia.
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### Author:  [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)
#### Post date: [February 22, 2009, 11:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-18-deadlock-spoilers/486664/135 "2009-02-22T23:10:15Z")
> [@Lightray](#):
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> The scene before that was Adama ordering Gaeta to find any nearby stars that could have habitable planets, and Hoshi to invite their new allies to come along.
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> Nine days later, “Face of the Enemy” occurs with the fleet in space. _Not_ around a planet.
How about this? Gaeta is ordered to find promising stars. While they’re working on that, Adama orders the fleet to leave orbit and take up a leisurely cruising speed through the system while they perform maintenance, and whatever else they do when they’re not in a big hurry. It would be depressing for the fleet to remain in orbit staring at their broken dreams.
So, the fleet is still in our system, just between planets. Then trouble starts and they’re kinda stuck for now.
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### Author:  [@HMS\_Irruncible](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HMS_Irruncible)
#### Post date: [February 23, 2009, 12:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-18-deadlock-spoilers/486664/136 "2009-02-23T00:20:11Z")
> [@ExTank](#):
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> The more I think about it, the less I’m buying Adama getting all maudlin’ and sloppy drunk over Cylon Sooper Gloo holding The Bucket together.
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> Unless that’s just the most recent manifestation of the big emotional let-down from Earth being a waste of time, and the uncertainty of the future. I mean, for four or five years, it was all, “Earth will fix everything.” “Earth will be our new beginning.” “The 13th tribe will save us.”
I think Adama’s quote “She won’t know what she is anymore” to be a good summary of the situation. Like, “we just finished fighting off the Cylon attackers to find Earth, but now here we are allied with the Cylons and nowhere to go.” His identity is wrapped up in the ship, and the ship’s identity is slipping away.
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### Author:  [@Lightray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lightray)
#### Post date: [February 23, 2009, 1:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-18-deadlock-spoilers/486664/137 "2009-02-23T01:18:12Z")
> [@alphaboi867](#):
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> Did Ellen actually die in the Cylon attack on the 12 Colonies? If she did and Cavil resurrected her (sans FF memories) that would explain how she ended up the Rising Star with amnesia.
We already know that Cavil arranged for her to be placed into the fleet. What would the story gain by having had her killed, first?
(also: nice callback this episode, to Ellen’s original arrival on Galactica, too.)
> [@levdrakon](#):
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> How about this? Gaeta is ordered to find promising stars. While they’re working on that, Adama orders the fleet to leave orbit and take up a leisurely cruising speed through the system while they perform maintenance, and whatever else they do when they’re not in a big hurry. It would be depressing for the fleet to remain in orbit staring at their broken dreams.
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> So, the fleet is still in our system, just between planets. Then trouble starts and they’re kinda stuck for now.
So, they were all depressed about Earth being a radioactive wasteland that they… decided to go sightseeing?
There is, literally, _nothing_ left for them in the Earth system. _And_ it was the place that Cavil knew they were headed. There was no reason for them to hang around there, and Adama had decided to move on.
They moved on.
This show does not always show or tell some things – they expect the viewers to pick up on, for example, when Adama tells Gaeta to find them a new star to go to, that means, they’ve gone to a new star.
It has been _weeks_ in the story, even before Tyrol told them not to jump Galactica. All that time, every establishing shot of the fleet has been _in deep space_. Not around a Earth, not cruising by random planets in the solar system. In space.
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### Author:  [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)
#### Post date: [February 23, 2009, 1:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-18-deadlock-spoilers/486664/138 "2009-02-23T01:23:53Z")
> [@simster](#):
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> Well, they havent shown the heavy raiders, the rez ships or hubs to be ‘living critters’ in the same way that they have shown the others…
In recent episodes, there’s been at least 2 FX shots with “close-ups” of a Heavy Raider, showing a big old-style Centurion face on the front right side of it. Not necessarily 100% evidence of it being “living”, but sure looks that way to me.
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### Author:  [@Bridget\_Burke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bridget_Burke)
#### Post date: [February 23, 2009, 4:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-18-deadlock-spoilers/486664/139 "2009-02-23T04:54:02Z")
Galactica Sitrep has [news](http://galacticasitrep.blogspot.com/) about a _Battlestar Galactica_ movie…
> [@](#):
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> IGN Movies and the Hollywood Reporter are reporting that Universal Pictures is planning “Battlestar Galactica” as a feature film with original series creator Glen A. Larson being lined up to script and produce it.
Yes, it will be based on the original TV series! Which I avoided watching back in the day. The thought of Paw Cartwright in Space even kept me from watching the re-imagined show for far too long. Of course, I’ve come to love it.
Does anybody think this movie is a good idea?
(This item might be worth a thread, but was unsure whether one had been opened yet.)
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### Author:  [@Oakminster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oakminster)
#### Post date: [February 23, 2009, 6:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-18-deadlock-spoilers/486664/140 "2009-02-23T06:39:13Z")
The movie probably needs its own thread, but I don’t think it’s a good idea to base it on the original series. Seems likely to create confusion in the audience expecting to see something related to the current series.
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